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[Ray]

There's more important things to talk about guys. Big moves are being made:

 

[Captain Adama]

There's more important things to talk about guys. Big moves are being made:

 

 

Really good deal for Tampa.

[Spanky__99]

I kinda wish someone hacked the Jays system!

 

lol

[Spanky__99]

There's more important things to talk about guys. Big moves are being made:

 

 

This old news, mate... it's just likely official today.

[Ray]

This old news, mate... it's just likely official today.

 

Yeah known it for weeks but didn't know the number. $5 million seems like a good deal.

[Spanky__99]

Yeah known it for weeks but didn't know the number. $5 million seems like a good deal.

 

Peanuts... would look a lot nicer playing beside Upton in a LF platoon. I doubt he'd come here, though.

[intentional wok]

Yeeesh. Cards probably only signed Fowler because they knew their first couple picks would be gone anyway.

 

Did this saga hurt the Blue Jays?

 

Possibly, if the Cardinal FO knew what penalty would be coming down.

 

I think I agree with Abom that the picks should have just been eliminated. If this were simply a two-team issue, then fine, reward Houston for St. Louis's crimes. But eliminating the picks would have benefited a lot of teams who would have been waiting behind the Cardinals in the draft. And awarding the picks to Houston actually punishes Houston's AL West rivals.

[Ray]

More details on the Holland deal: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/holland-35m-over-2-years-under-rockies-contract-205514282--mlb.html

 

He can potentially earn $35 million over 2 years with incentives. Wew.

[Bobthe4th]

More details on the Holland deal: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/holland-35m-over-2-years-under-rockies-contract-205514282--mlb.html

 

He can potentially earn $35 million over 2 years with incentives. Wew.

 

So many clauses! And the options are flexible too:

 

"He has a $6 million salary this year, and the agreement includes a $15 million conditional player option for 2018 that Holland could exercise if he has at least 50 pitching appearances or 30 games finished this year. If he fails to reach either of those, there would be a $10 million mutual option with a $1 million buyout if Holland declines to exercise it."

 

Like this for the Rockies. If he's injured or no longer elite, they use him less and don't pay much beyond $6m and a $1m buy out. If he is elite and they are competing this season, they'll pay a lot of the bonuses this year (which will be worth it if they are competing) but then have the option to trade him once he picks up his player option, which is a high enough salary that he'd be unlikely to decline that option.

 

I guess he could decline the player option if he's hoping to secure a longer deal but he'd be 32 by then.

[jerb]

 

 

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Source: Rockies sign Domonic Brown to minor league deal. Three years ago, an All-Star who looked like a future star. Now 29 and a long shot.

[jaysfan2014]

Nats signed Joe Nathan and Matt Albers to minors deals.

 

Washington is really desperate for anyone who can close.. right now, the bullpen is a concern, similar to Toronto..

[RealAccountant]

Nats signed Joe Nathan and Matt Albers to minors deals.

 

Washington is really desperate for anyone who can close.. right now, the bullpen is a concern, similar to Toronto..

 

We need two relievers assuming Danny Barnes is in the pen. Need to add Blanton and one of the lefties and were good to go

[JG34]

As an owner in BORED I hope he's finally healthy.

 

[Sammy225]

Is it just me or should there me a lot of signings in the next couple weeks. Seems like there is still a lot of names on the board.

[P2F]

As an owner in BORED I hope he's finally healthy.

 

 

As an owner in #LOD, I concur with your sentiments.

[King]

Rosenthal tweets out that CCC could be taking offers from Japan teams soon.

[BTS]

rosenthal tweets out that ccc could be taking offers from japan teams soon.

 

ffs

[Ray]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 HR and had an OBP of .316 in 2016 and gets a 3 year $37.5 million contract

 

Chris Carter hit 41 HR and had an OBP of .321 in 2016 and can't seem to get a major league deal.

[Krylian]

 

Ex-Mets pitcher Anthony Young diagnosed with inoperable brain tumor

[Orgfiller]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 HR and had an OBP of .316 in 2016 and gets a 3 year $37.5 million contract

 

Chris Carter hit 41 HR and had an OBP of .321 in 2016 and can't seem to get a major league deal.

 

Well that's cool and all, but all of his homers and average OBP only translated to a 112 wRC+, and with god awful defense and baserunning that's just not a particularly good MLB player.

[Ray]

Well that's cool and all, but all of his homers and average OBP only translated to a 112 wRC+, and with god awful defense and baserunning that's just not a particularly good MLB player.

 

Trumbo didn't do that much better than Carter that he warranted a $40 million deal. Both Trumbo and Carter are pretty similar. Strictly power guys with high K% and bad everywhere else.

 

Carter will get something. He'll DH for the Rays or something on a dirt cheap $4-5 million deal. I really don't expect him to go to Japan. Probably just a negotiating tactic.

[Brownie19]

Well that's cool and all, but all of his homers and average OBP only translated to a 112 wRC+, and with god awful defense and baserunning that's just not a particularly good MLB player.

 

You'd think Carter and Alvarez would work extensively to become adequate defensively...it might help them get a job. 1st base isn't that challenging guys. Put the work in.

[G-Snarls]

Khris Davis has won his arbitration hearing against the Athletics, reports Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports (via Twitter). As a result, the Oakland left fielder/designated hitter will earn $5MM instead of the $4.65MM figure submitted by the team. Davis is represented by Octagon.

[HERPDERP]

why go after Davis when you can get Carter for cheap

[TholesWeirdEye]

why go after Davis when you can get Carter for cheap

 

Would you say pick up Carter and slot him in 1B? Drop the Smoakshow? I hate feast/famine players damnit, and as much as I'd like to see Smoakie gone I can't see the Jays dropping him for nothing after signing him to that s***** contact. Unless he totally shits the bead (which no doubt he will). As of right now the Jays are going be be rolling out 2 bench guys to play substantial games which is retarded.

[KingKat]

Would you say pick up Carter and slot him in 1B? Drop the Smoakshow? I hate feast/famine players damnit, and as much as I'd like to see Smoakie gone I can't see the Jays dropping him for nothing after signing him to that s***** contact. Unless he totally shits the bead (which no doubt he will). As of right now the Jays are going be be rolling out 2 bench guys to play substantial games which is retarded.

 

The way I see it, Smoak and Carter are both feast/famine hitters except that Carter is an established feast/famine hitter while Smoak is just an aspiring one. Offensively, that's a no brainer upgrade given that you're getting a more successful version of the same thing. The only caveat I can think of is the gap in defensive ability. I'm not sure how much that negates the offensive upgrade.

[burlingtonbandit]

The way I see it, Smoak and Carter are both feast/famine hitters except that Carter is an established feast/famine hitter while Smoak is just an aspiring one. Offensively, that's a no brainer upgrade given that you're getting a more successful version of the same thing. The only caveat I can think of is the gap in defensive ability. I'm not sure how much that negates the offensive upgrade.

 

Carter wRC+ vs RHP

 

2015: 102

2016: 107

 

Smoak wRC+ vs RHP

 

2015: 105

2016: 99

 

Add in defense and its not even clear Carter is an upgrade. Certainly isn't worth $8 Million to dump Smoak and sign Carter.

[L54]

Trumbo didn't do that much better than Carter that he warranted a $40 million deal. Both Trumbo and Carter are pretty similar. Strictly power guys with high K% and bad everywhere else.

 

Carter will get something. He'll DH for the Rays or something on a dirt cheap $4-5 million deal. I really don't expect him to go to Japan. Probably just a negotiating tactic.

 

Yup. Tampa has seemed like the logical spot for CCC for a while now, especially with Miller presumably moving to second full time.

[L54]

Khris Davis would hit fifty bombs in the RC!

[BTS]

Carter wRC+ vs RHP

 

2015: 102

2016: 107

 

Smoak wRC+ vs RHP

 

2015: 105

2016: 99

 

Add in defense and its not even clear Carter is an upgrade. Certainly isn't worth $8 Million to dump Smoak and sign Carter.

 

On the other hand, Carter is a career 112 wRC+ hitter projected at 106, and Smoak is a career 95 wRC+ hitter projected at 93, and the upgrade is probably $4M, not 8M.