Blue Jays showing "strong interest" in Dexter Fowler

[Angrioter]

4 people within a minute lol

What about 4 men and a Mexican

[jerb]

 

BVH

‏@BVHJays

In @DCameronFG's chat, he believes the Jays will have to blow away other offers to convince Fowler to take a corner outfield job.

[Brownie19]

 

BVH

‏@BVHJays

In @DCameronFG's chat, he believes the Jays will have to blow away other offers to convince Fowler to take a corner outfield job.

 

That's BS. He's taking the most $ regardless of what position he's playing.

[glory]

That's BS. He's taking the most $ regardless of what position he's playing.

 

True, but for some players, the position matters. If he wants to play CF, and there are similar offers out there (maybe just a bit lower, for example) from teams that will play him at CF, then it might require an overpay to get him. The Jays may have to really separate themselves from the next highest bidders in order to get him IF position matters to him (and I don't know whether it does or not).

 

He'd be smart to move to LF or RF, it should improve his defence in theory, but whether he wants to is a different story. An extra year would surely seal the deal, but no way I want Fowler on a five year deal.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

At anything like 4/64 I'm all in on Fowler. The bat is above average, he adds runs on the bases, and I don't think it's likely that he's a bad corner OF defender.

 

How do you know he isn't a bad corner OF ???

 

No stats to back this???

 

I still think CF is the easiest of the OF positions to play if you have speed!

[glory]

 

Fowler + Granderson in the OF would be pretty darn good.

[Terminator]

I still think CF is the easiest of the OF positions to play if you have speed!

 

How? Why?

[Pendleton]

 

I still think CF is the easiest of the OF positions to play if you have speed!

 

You would have a tough time getting most people to agree with that. Center field generally requires more speed because it's more difficult to cover.

[Terminator]

At anything like 4/64 I'm all in on Fowler. The bat is above average, he adds runs on the bases, and I don't think it's likely that he's a bad corner OF defender.

 

Do you, or anyone else, know anything about how changing the position of a player from CF to RF affects their WAR?

 

Their bat is less valuable in a corner OF spot, no? But their defense probably gets better. Is it generally a net 0, for example?

[RealAccountant]

Even 4/75 wouldn't be bad for Fowler

[burlingtonbandit]

Do you, or anyone else, know anything about how changing the position of a player from CF to RF affects their WAR?

 

Their bat is less valuable in a corner OF spot, no? But their defense probably gets better. Is it generally a net 0, for example?

 

Cespedes has a difference of like 10-15 runs from Centre- LF but its not normally that big.

[Orgfiller]

Cespedes has a difference of like 10-15 runs from Centre- LF but its not normally that big.

 

Isn't Cespedes' difference substantially higher? I think he's an outlier in that sense, he's much worse playing CF vs playing the corner.

 

I think fangraphs had an article on it.

[Terminator]

Cespedes has a difference of like 10-15 runs from Centre- LF but its not normally that big.

 

How big of a dropoff is his bat from CF to LF? He's probably shitloads better with the bat than your average CF. In LF the gap isn't as big.

[Laika]

Do you, or anyone else, know anything about how changing the position of a player from CF to RF affects their WAR?

 

Their bat is less valuable in a corner OF spot, no? But their defense probably gets better. Is it generally a net 0, for example?

 

Yes the positional adjustment is designed so that it's a net zero.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

You would have a tough time getting most people to agree with that. Center field generally requires more speed because it's more difficult to cover.

 

Hence why I said if you have Speed!!!

[Pendleton]

Hence why I said if you have Speed!!!

 

That still makes no sense though. Even if you have speed, the easier positions are still easier to cover.

[BTS]

How big of a dropoff is his bat from CF to LF? He's probably shitloads better with the bat than your average CF. In LF the gap isn't as big.

 

CF had a 96 wRC+ last year and LF had 97. There's not really a difference between the two offensively anymore.

[Captain Adama]

How big of a dropoff is his bat from CF to LF? He's probably shitloads better with the bat than your average CF. In LF the gap isn't as big.

 

He's still a comfortably above average bat in a corner spot. About 128-130 wRC+ if we're looking at this year's LFrs

[Terminator]

Yes the positional adjustment is designed so that it's a net zero.

 

So would the same hold true for a "defensive-first" player like Pillar? If you moved him to RF would his defense be so much better than a replacement player in RF that it would make up for his replacement level like bat, thus his WAR wouldn't be affected?

 

And if that holds true, and Fowler insisting on playing CF is true, then wouldn't it make some sense, at least statistically, to just sign him on the promise that he could play CF and Pillar could play RF? lol

[Terminator]

CF had a 96 wRC+ last year and LF had 97. There's not really a difference between the two offensively anymore.

 

Ah ok.

[Terminator]

He's still a comfortably above average bat in a corner spot. About 128-130 wRC+ if we're looking at this year's LFrs

 

Oh for sure, I know that. I just thought the gap between LF and CF would be bigger but apparently it's not.

[Abomination]

How do you know he isn't a bad corner OF ???

 

No stats to back this???

 

I still think CF is the easiest of the OF positions to play if you have speed!

 

Which is obviously why Rickey Henderson played most of his games in CF ... oh, wait.

[Laika]

So would the same hold true for a "defensive-first" player like Pillar? If you moved him to RF would his defense be so much better than a replacement player in RF that it would make up for his replacement level like bat, thus his WAR wouldn't be affected?

 

And if that holds true, and Fowler insisting on playing CF is true, then wouldn't it make some sense, at least statistically, to just sign him on the promise that he could play CF and Pillar could play RF? lol

 

Yes IN THEORY positional changes shouldn't change WAR. Brett Gardner is a good example of a guy who has slid between LF and CF and his UZR at both positions follows the spectrum pretty well.

 

The theory is necessary in order to make WAR work though so this point is a bit tautological.

 

You've already caught on to some of the nuance. In practice, you can't just put your three outfielders wherever you want and watch them accumulate the same total WAR. It just doesn't work like this in rel life.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

How? Why?

 

Cause I played them all, CF because I was Fast and could affect a game more with outs and catches in Center then right or Left field in a game! plus I could always gun you down at home or third and even second used to bait runners for fun!

 

Or if bored or I thought you were a prick, I'd let you round second and head to third and plant it in your back, cause I could! Lol

 

Plus I found it easier just by the flight of the balls hit and how they moved!!!

 

I played right because of my arm, left when I got old and found out Drinking rum and not killing myself for fun was ok too!

 

 

 

But still

[Terminator]

Cause I played them all, CF because I was Fast and could affect a game more with outs and catches in Center then right or Left field in a game! plus I could always gun you down at home or third and even second used to bait runners for fun!

 

Or if bored or I thought you were a prick, I'd let you round second and head to third and plant it in your back, cause I could! Lol

 

Plus I found it easier just by the flight of the balls hit and how they moved!!!

 

I played right because of my arm, left when I got old and found out Drinking rum and not killing myself for fun was ok too!

 

 

 

But still

 

Lol are you a real person or is this some sort of parody account that I'm not aware of?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Lol are you a real person or is this some sort of parody account that I'm not aware of?

 

My coach converted me from Catcher when he realized I was fast and could affect the game more in CF making plays then behind the plate just knocking people out trying to steal home! Lol

 

Ps or maybe the league and other coaches asked him cause they didn't want their team getting hurt... I dunno!!! Pussies!!!

[Orgfiller]

My coach converted me from Catcher when he realized I was fast and could affect the game more in CF making plays then behind the plate just knocking people out trying to steal home! Lol

 

Please stop.

[King]

My coach converted me from Catcher when he realized I was fast and could affect the game more in CF making plays then behind the plate just knocking people out trying to steal home! Lol

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[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Please stop.

 

It's true!!! Why do you not believe Center field is actually the easiest position to play especially if you have speed!

 

The types of balls hit there take the truest flight of any field!

 

Or stay in flight longer with more loft a lot more too!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The Tim Tebow of Saskatchewan beer league slo pitch

 

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