New MLB collective bargaining agreement thread

[wamco]

Don't need to get prospect/players in return greater than 1st round pick

 

Sherman says could be 60-70 percent penalty for going high over luxery tax

[Qwerty]

 

Jon Morosi Verified account

‏@jonmorosi

Important clarification: Change to FA compensation structure goes into effect for 2017-2018 offseason; prior rules apply to existing class.

 

Based on?

 

Its just basic logic. A guy you may have held on to because a pick was attached now has less value to you and the same value to everyone else.

[ChrisS]

Based on?

Possibly the fact that the incentive to wait until free agency and acquire a first round pick is now gone.

[Governator]

 

Jayson Stark Verified account

‏@jaysonst

Turns out draft-pick compensation won't disappear. Teams over threshold lose a 2nd- & 5th-round pick. Under threshold: lose 3rd-round pick.

 

 

I wonder if the comp picks still happen between 1st & 2nd rounds of the draft.

[Jonn]

Compensation is better no reason to complain. As long as we get our picks for Edwin and Jose

[Captain Adama]

I wonder if the comp picks still happen between 1st & 2nd rounds of the draft.

 

Yes. I don't think this has been clarified yet.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think this CBA works well for Jays. Penalizes teams a lot more over Luxury Tax and since the Jays aren't quite going to be that high it narrows the gap between them and those other teams, while also giving advantage over smaller market teams.

[Captain Adama]

I think this CBA works well for Jays. Penalizes teams a lot more over Luxury Tax and since the Jays aren't quite going to be that high it narrows the gap between them and those other teams, while also giving advantage over smaller market teams.

 

You can argue that this balances out somewhat that teams are also more willing to pay more to sign players without the 1st round draft pick loss attached. Especially since draft picks tend to lose value considerably after the first round.

[burlingtonbandit]

You can argue that this balances out somewhat that teams are also more willing to pay more to sign players without the 1st round draft pick loss attached. Especially since draft picks tend to lose value considerably after the first round.

 

Thats going to be the case for every team in FA though. Blue Jays will still have more financial resources than small market teams + won't be affected by Luxury tax.

[glory]

This will make free agents desirable to more teams since it eliminates losing a pick (a big deterrent for many teams), so it will come down to who offers the most money as always, but likely more suitors. Helps the players a lot.

[Governator]

This will make free agents desirable to more teams since it eliminates losing a pick (a big deterrent for many teams), so it will come down to who offers the most money as always, but likely more suitors. Helps the players a lot.

 

Teams will still lose picks, just not the first round. It depends on if the team signing are above the luxury tax threshold already and if they are it sounds like they have to give up a 2nd & 5th but if they are below it'll just be a 3rd round pick. They haven't said if the comp picks will still occur between 1st & 2nd rounds yet because that will definitely impact whether or not teams give QO to borderline players.

[burlingtonbandit]

Teams will still lose picks, just not the first round. It depends on if the team signing are above the luxury tax threshold already and if they are it sounds like they have to give up a 2nd & 5th but if they are below it'll just be a 3rd round pick. They haven't said if the comp picks will still occur between 1st & 2nd rounds yet because that will definitely impact whether or not teams give QO to borderline players.

 

Also a QO can only be used only once on a player so that is going to make draft picks even more valuable IMO. Comp picks will be based on the market size of the team signing the player. As well a player has to have a contract greater than $50 Million to qualify for compensation.

[burlingtonbandit]

Wonder if Bautista takes a 1 year deal and goes back into the FA market next year now.

[glory]

Teams will still lose picks, just not the first round. It depends on if the team signing are above the luxury tax threshold already and if they are it sounds like they have to give up a 2nd & 5th but if they are below it'll just be a 3rd round pick. They haven't said if the comp picks will still occur between 1st & 2nd rounds yet because that will definitely impact whether or not teams give QO to borderline players.

 

That's what I meant, first round picks. Losing a 3rd or 5th round pick really isn't that big of a deal. Or at least not as big of a deal as a 1st rounder.

[Governator]

Also a QO can only be used only once on a player so that is going to make draft picks even more valuable IMO. Comp picks will be based on the market size of the team signing the player. As well a player has to have a contract greater than $50 Million to qualify for compensation.

 

 

I guess $49MM contracts are going to be a thing soon, like the 9.9HP fishing boat to avoid registration lol.

[Captain Adama]

Thats going to be the case for every team in FA though. Blue Jays will still have more financial resources than small market teams + won't be affected by Luxury tax.

 

OK, you were referring to the Jays, I was thinking it would lead to the same degree of parity league-wide.

[burlingtonbandit]

Every team will get a pool of $5 Million for IFA. Hard cap which is really bad for international FA. Basically get screwed by the Owners without having a Draft. Good for parity though as there is no advantage to losing more games.

[TheHurl]

I think we'll see the really special International players move to high school in Puerto Rico to increase their bonus potential.

[rydermike]

Under the current system, you lose your 1st and 2nd if you sign TWO players with QO. Under the new system of 2+5 or 3 (depending on luxury tax), what happens if you sign multiple (2+3+5+6 / 3+6???????)

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

Yeah if you're out of contention at the trade deadline you might as well trade a guy you would have qualified. A third round pick is meh. You'll pretty much always do better in trade unless the player is on a stupid contract.

[Laika]

I think we'll see the really special International players move to high school in Puerto Rico to increase their bonus potential.

 

Wouldn't this delay their ability to sign by at least a full year? I doubt we see it.

 

Get money now make money sooner?

[Laika]

The international hard cap is fantastic for parity. I just wish it was a bit more nuanced.

 

First, it should be slightly higher.

 

Second, it should still scale slightly based on the MLB standings. Ex., teams get a tradable bonus pool on top of their hard cap that ranges from nothing to $1M.

[z3r0s]

great suggestion.

[GoldBull]

With the age limit on international spending caps increasing to 25, it may mean Otani is staying in Asia for 3 more years.

 

If this is the case, it really sucks for the MLB. Was really looking forward to seeing how he was used in the majors.

[Bobthe4th]

With the age limit on international spending caps increasing to 25, it may mean Otani is staying in Asia for 3 more years.

 

If this is the case, it really sucks for the MLB. Was really looking forward to seeing how he was used in the majors.

 

Will Japanese players not be granted some sort of exemption? Jon Morosi says Cubans will be:

 

[GoldBull]

Will Japanese players not be granted some sort of exemption? Jon Morosi says Cubans will be:

 

 

Good point. If they're classifying the Series Nacional that way, it would make sense that they treat the NPB the same way.

[Pinkfloid]

Home field in world series no longer determined by all star game nonsense? Christmas has come early!

[TheHurl]

According to Jeff Passan the wording is now 25 and 5+ years pro experience. I am in transit can someone research. My DDL future depends on It.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think we'll see the really special International players move to high school in Puerto Rico to increase their bonus potential.

 

Doubt it. There will be teams who blow their entire pool on one player like the Jays did with Vladdy.