Jays sign Morales 3 years 33M

[Sammy225]

Did he fail his physical? Is he across the world and its taking awhile for the physical to get done? Its been 6 days lol

 

Because they wanted to give us another thread.

[wamco]

I take it you never saw Joe Carter play?

Let me put this in one perspective.

If today, Joe Carter was in his prime say 30 yrs old, and a free agent. he would be at the Top of the list of available free agents.

Every baseball fan would be screaming for their team to sign him.

He would easily command a contract exceeding 5yr 125 mill.

If Russ Atkins signed him , every Jay fan would be shouting for Joy, except for a few of you.

Would you be one of the complainers?

 

And if didn't swing away in 93, that leaves alfredo freakin griffin up to bat next

[wamco]

Is Joe Carter still alive? If not, he came back as Mark Trumbo. Their career stats:

 

259/306/464, 334 wOBA

251/303/473, 332 wOBA

 

Trumbo has a 111 wRC+ to Carter 102 though.

 

How does rc plus account for the fact

That carter had the same amount of career sb as trumbo has career walks ? 231. 66 cs for carter. 22 sb 14 cs for trumbo

[Captain Adama]

How does rc plus account for the fact

That carter had the same amount of career sb as trumbo has career walks ? 231. 66 cs for carter. 22 sb 14 cs for trumbo

 

That is accounted for in baserunning score that goes (along with wRC+) towards total offensive production. Carter was worth 18 runs in baserunning score and Trumbo is worth -13.

[intentional wok]

Worth noting:

 

[jerb]

 

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It's official! Welcome to the @BlueJays, Kendrys Morales!

[RealAccountant]

God Damn what did we pay for.

[intentional wok]

An above average MLB switch hitter who should fit pretty well into the lineup.

[Grant77]

God Damn what did we pay for.

 

Too much for a decent DH-.

[Daniel Labude]

Did Navarro gain weight and change positions?

 

 

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It's official! Welcome to the @BlueJays, Kendrys Morales!

[RealAccountant]

Usually the DH has to be more than an above average hitter. There is a chance he is that, but last yer he had the second worst WRC of all the DHs. That is just a fact. In 2015 he was middle of the road

 

So the best case scenario really is that he is an average DH. Worst Case Scenerio is that we will extract the lowest value out of the DH Position than any other team in the American League. This is us replacing one of the best overall bats in the majors.....and we still paid $33 Million.

[Brownie19]

Usually the DH has to be more than an above average hitter. There is a chance he is that, but last yer he had the second worst WRC of all the DHs. That is just a fact. In 2015 he was middle of the road

 

So the best case scenario really is that he is an average DH. Worst Case Scenerio is that we will extract the lowest value out of the DH Position than any other team in the American League. This is us replacing one of the best overall bats in the majors.....and we still paid $33 Million.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

 

5th in wRC+ over the past 2 years - tied with Carlos Santana and 2 points from Carlos Beltran for 4th. Ortiz is gone now, so you could say he's currently the 3rd or 4th best hitting DH in baseball.

[Dr. Dinger]

God Damn what did we pay for.

 

Apparently some second-rate graphic designer.

[glory]

Might have been posted already but reason to be optimistic about this signing even a little bit or FG craziness?

 

http://http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-hitter-contact-quality-report-al-first-base-and-dh/

 

Next comes the DH with the most misleading traditional 2016 statistics, Kendrys Morales. Look at the differences between his Unadjusted and Adjusted Contact Scores: on fly balls (151 vs. 217), liners (83 vs. 116), grounders (86 vs. 137) and overall (109 vs. 158). OK, he’s slow, so the grounder difference might be a little misleading, but he was both hamstrung by his home park and just plain unlucky in 2016. The Blue Jays took note of this, and quickly pounced on him as a free agent. My prediction: a healthy Morales outperforms both Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, for far less money, in 2017.

[jays4life19]

Might have been posted already but reason to be optimistic about this signing even a little bit?

 

http://http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-hitter-contact-quality-report-al-first-base-and-dh/

 

lol @ "I nominate Justin Smoak‘s 27.3% liner rate for Fluke Statistic of the Year. Despite that outlandish number, Smoak’s Adjusted Production checks in at only 96. His K rate is real, and really high, and his fly-ball rate is likely to regress downward a bit. All of this points to potentially significant near-term decline."

[RealAccountant]

The Smoak contract was money down the drain.

[glory]

Is it even possible for Smoak to decline? He's so bad already how much worse can it get?

[Jonn]

Is it even possible for Smoak to decline? He's so bad already how much worse can it get?

 

That's one way to look at it

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Is it even possible for Smoak to decline? He's so bad already how much worse can it get?

 

Don't worry BJMB once they sign Thames and Pearce, All the Smoak will clear from the room and the Jays!

[metafour]

Usually the DH has to be more than an above average hitter. There is a chance he is that, but last yer he had the second worst WRC of all the DHs. That is just a fact. In 2015 he was middle of the road

 

So the best case scenario really is that he is an average DH. Worst Case Scenerio is that we will extract the lowest value out of the DH Position than any other team in the American League. This is us replacing one of the best overall bats in the majors.....and we still paid $33 Million.

 

Actually, the fact is that Morales posted elite batted ball metrics last season, yet somehow that contact didn't result in base hits. His 41.1% hard contact rate was 5th highest in all of baseball...tied with Miguel Cabrera and Jose Bautista. He hit the ball harder than Encarnacion and posted a superior contact rate on pitches inside the strike zone as well.

 

This reminds me of the JA Happ signing wherein we were "overpaying big time" despite the fact that hard analysis actually showed that JA Happ's stuff got better across the board the ~half season prior to us signing him. In Morales' case, his "average hitting" this past season doesn't even make sense given what he was actually doing at the plate.

[GD]

Hard% is literally a guy sitting at a computer watching the game typing in "Hard" "Medium" or "Soft." A lot of it is wrong and to say that "factually" he has "elite batted ball stats" based on that is more than likely wrong.

[jays4life19]

Hard% is literally a guy sitting at a computer watching the game typing in "Hard" "Medium" or "Soft." A lot of it is wrong and to say that "factually" he has "elite batted ball stats" based on that is more than likely wrong.

 

How do I get this job?

[ChrisS]

Hard% is literally a guy sitting at a computer watching the game typing in "Hard" "Medium" or "Soft." A lot of it is wrong and to say that "factually" he has "elite batted ball stats" based on that is more than likely wrong.

That's the way it used to be but not anymore. An algorithm calculates it based on a number of variables, probably distance, time in air, velo, launch angle etc.

[Brownie19]

That's the way it used to be but not anymore. An algorithm calculates it based on a number of variables, probably distance, time in air, velo, launch angle etc.

 

Well thank god - I was thinking to myself....why? don't we have better ways to measure this now with Statcast....

[metafour]

Hard% is literally a guy sitting at a computer watching the game typing in "Hard" "Medium" or "Soft." A lot of it is wrong and to say that "factually" he has "elite batted ball stats" based on that is more than likely wrong.

 

Except that they have exact MPH batted ball rates coming off of his bat, all of which confirm Morales' ~41.1% hard hit rate or whatever that "guy" typed into his computer.

 

Average MPH

Ortiz: 94.2

Morales: 93.9

Encarnacion: 91.5

 

Flyball MPH

Ortiz: 95.2

Morales: 95.3

Encarnacion: 95.0

 

Line Drive MPH

Ortiz: 99.8

Morales: 97.4

Encarnacion: 94.6

 

Groundball MPH:

Ortiz: 89.9

Morales: 91.0

Encarnacion: 87.2

[jays4life19]

That's the way it used to be but not anymore. An algorithm calculates it based on a number of variables, probably distance, time in air, velo, launch angle etc.

 

You just crushed my hopes of a potential career switch.

[L54]

I am really not a fan of locking into a DH only for 3 years when you know guys like Tulo, Donaldson and Travis are going to need days off. Whatever I guess but this signing is just so far from sexy. It's like banging a 6.

[jays4life19]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/209175734/edwin-encarnacion-blue-jays-return-less-likely/

 

"Morales has predominantly been a DH throughout his career. He's generally considered a major liability in the field, but Atkins did raise the possibility of using him at first base and perhaps even the outfield"

 

wat

[fatcowxlive]

Except that they have exact MPH batted ball rates coming off of his bat, all of which confirm Morales' ~41.1% hard hit rate or whatever that "guy" typed into his computer.

 

Average MPH

Ortiz: 94.2

Morales: 93.9

Encarnacion: 91.5

 

Flyball MPH

Ortiz: 95.2

Morales: 95.3

Encarnacion: 95.0

 

Line Drive MPH

Ortiz: 99.8

Morales: 97.4

Encarnacion: 94.6

 

Groundball MPH:

Ortiz: 89.9

Morales: 91.0

Encarnacion: 87.2

 

Can we get the stats for Smoak?

[Muck Bartinez]

Can we get the stats for Smoak?

 

Same as Encarnacion, but change MPH to KM/H.