Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[L54]

Again, who cares, Barney's a much better option.

 

whoosh

[Spanky99]

whoosh

 

Hahaha... I'm an idiot.

[Stangstag]

Ryan Goins = Javier Baez without the bat

 

They even look similar lol

[wk680]

There's no place for Goins on this team as it's currently constructed. He needs five years of service time, so he can't refuse assignment, but he will have to clear waivers when he's sent down.

 

Yes I had a bad source that said it was 3 years needed to refuse the assignment. It seems the only way one of Goins, Smoak, Upton or Carrera won't be odd man out is if the Jays went with a 6 man bull pen and 5 man bench. And that's assuming no other additions or the likes of Pompey making the squad. Of course injuries can also occur.

[Ray]

How crazy of an idea would it be to try and get Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal for bullpen depth? Seemed to do well for the Indians last season, although only 20IP.

[Spanky99]

Yes I had a bad source that said it was 3 years needed to refuse the assignment. It seems the only way one of Goins, Smoak, Upton or Carrera won't be odd man out is if the Jays went with a 6 man bull pen and 5 man bench. And that's assuming no other additions or the likes of Pompey making the squad. Of course injuries can also occur.

 

Not sure if serious?

[Spanky99]

How crazy of an idea would it be to try and get Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal for bullpen depth? Seemed to do well for the Indians last season, although only 20IP.

 

Nothing wrong with an invite...

[wk680]

Not sure if serious?

 

Serious about what !?

[Spanky99]

Serious about what !?

 

The entire post. I assumed you were kidding. The bolded made me ask?

 

Yes I had a bad source that said it was 3 years needed to refuse the assignment. It seems the only way one of Goins, Smoak, Upton or Carrera won't be odd man out is if the Jays went with a 6 man bull pen and 5 man bench. And that's assuming no other additions or the likes of Pompey making the squad. Of course injuries can also occur.

[wk680]

The entire post. I assumed you were kidding. The bolded made me ask?

 

OK professor, what is so wrong with the idea of a 6 man bullpen and a 5 man bench? How often does that 7th reliever end up just riding the pine anyway.

[Spanky99]

OK professor, what is so wrong with the idea of a 6 man bullpen and a 5 man bench? How often does that 7th reliever end up just riding the pine anyway.

 

lol... teams run with 7 for a reason, sometimes 8, have you not been paying attention?

[Bobthe4th]

How crazy of an idea would it be to try and get Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal for bullpen depth? Seemed to do well for the Indians last season, although only 20IP.

 

We had him at AAA for about a month last season before granting him a release.

 

I assume he'll get a spring training invite from another team though.

[Spanky99]

We had him at AAA for about a month last season before granting him a release.

 

I assume he'll get a spring training invite from another team though.

 

Yeah, anyone short of depth. I'm sure the Jays will ask him, again.

[wk680]

lol... teams run with 7 for a reason, sometimes 8, have you not been paying attention?

 

I believe the Jays rotation had the most innings pitched in 2016. If they repeat that in 2017 (big if) why the need for 7 relievers? Also, if you have relievers with options and position players without, you can shuttle some of your relievers back and forth. Needless to say, failing to go with the extra (26th) roster spot was a big mistake. It would have allowed to keep the 7 man pen without such a thin 4 man bench.

[Spanky99]

I believe the Jays rotation had the most innings pitched in 2016. If they repeat that in 2017 (big if) why the need for 7 relievers? Also, if you have relievers with options and position players without, you can shuttle some of your relievers back and forth. Needless to say, failing to go with the extra (26th) roster spot was a big mistake. It would have allowed to keep the 7 man pen without such a thin 4 man bench.

 

You've answered your own question, then. The staff has nothing to do with the pen, and yes RP's with options get moved down and back when teams are taxed if the rotation takes a hit. 6 RP's are unfathomable, it worked in the 70's and 80's, not anymore. The bench will be a strong 4, maybe not early in April as the schedule is lax, but...

 

P.S. SP's innings from last year have no bearing moving forward.

[Rusty_Savage]

he wont spanky and then what.

 

The Earth will stop spinning and life as we know it will be over

[TholesWeirdEye]

How crazy of an idea would it be to try and get Joba Chamberlain on a minor league deal for bullpen depth? Seemed to do well for the Indians last season, although only 20IP.

 

Didn't the Jays pick him up last year for a brief moment?

[Orgfiller]

Ryan Goins = Javier Baez without the bat

 

They even look similar lol

 

Javier Baez is literally better than Ryan Goins at every facet of the game, but that's not saying much.

[Angrioter]

Javier Baez is literally better than Ryan Goins at every facet of the game, but that's not saying much.

 

....but Goins have better hair

[TholesWeirdEye]

....but Goins have better hair

 

Reported.

[RealAccountant]

Is there any truth to Blairs comments regarding Rogers increasing the budget to allow for Jose signing while at the same time meeting other needs

[RealAccountant]

Based on those comments and if the budget is 170 I would say both moss and Blevins are real possibilities

 

As is Bruce

[G-Snarls]

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[wk680]

You've answered your own question, then. The staff has nothing to do with the pen, and yes RP's with options get moved down and back when teams are taxed if the rotation takes a hit. 6 RP's are unfathomable, it worked in the 70's and 80's, not anymore. The bench will be a strong 4, maybe not early in April as the schedule is lax, but...

 

P.S. SP's innings from last year have no bearing moving forward.

 

A strong 4 with Smoak !!?? Also, the consensus of this board appears to be that Carrera is slightly above useless and Upton is garbage. Add to that the likelihood of no-bat Jimenez as backup catcher. Seems more like a bench with a strong 1 (Barney) and 3 scrubs.

[Pendleton]

A strong 4 with Smoak !!?? Also, the consensus of this board appears to be that Carrera is slightly above useless and Upton is garbage. Add to that the likelihood of no-bat Jimenez as backup catcher. Seems more like a bench with a strong 1 (Barney) and 3 scrubs.

 

Recent history has shown that it's not tough or expensive to acquire corner outfield, bullpen and bench help mid season. It's not the end of the world if we start the year with a couple cheaper options as filler for the time being.

[KingKat]

Recent history has shown that it's not tough or expensive to acquire corner outfield, bullpen and bench help mid season. It's not the end of the world if we start the year with a couple cheaper options as filler for the time being.

 

Yeah and assuming that Jimenez has the above average defense that he's purported to have than having him on the roster is not that big a deal because Reese McGuire is the real backup if Martin needs to be replaced for a sustained period.

[wk680]

Yeah and assuming that Jimenez has the above average defense that he's purported to have than having him on the roster is not that big a deal because Reese McGuire is the real backup if Martin needs to be replaced for a sustained period.

 

Yes and there may be internal possibilities with Harold Ramirez and Pompey in the OF.

[Pendleton]

Yes and there may be internal possibilities with Harold Ramirez and Pompey in the OF.

 

You touched on something there that I'm not sure I've seen anyone mention yet - I don't think it should be considered 100% out of the question that Harold Ramirez hits his way into the conversation for a very early call up and stays if he continues to hit in the big leagues.

[glory]

Personally I would blow it all on Greg Holland.

 

Going from Dermody to Blevins probably doesn't move the needle. Going from Jimenez to Soto probably doesn't matter (we made the playoffs 2 years in a row with a negative as a backup C).

 

Agreed. Back-up catchers usually suck. Thole was able to suck worse than suck itself so he's really an outlier. Jimenez could probably provide what most back-ups would for the league minimum.

 

A scrub catcher and Blevins/Wood/whoever over Jimenez and Loup probably won't make any tangible difference. Maybe half a win better? But then you compare Carrera to someone like Moss or Pagan, and it's a real opportunity to add to the team's projected win total.

[george09]

Lol Schulman on 590 yesterday said that our LF will most likely be Zeke/Upton by spring training.