Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Sammy225]

Adam Eaton would be a great fit, though no chance in hell the White Sox trade him.

 

Angels could use some pitching offer up something for Kole Calhoun i think he would look pretty good in Blue. Always liked him for some reason.

[jays4life19]

Angels could use some pitching offer up something for Kole Calhoun i think he would look pretty good in Blue. Always liked him for some reason.

 

Angels probably ask for Stroman or Sanchez for him. You probably like him because he's really good.

[wamco]

fun fact: last year Joey Votto was a worse defender at 1B than Edwin

 

Votto is brutal in the field, but people can't see past the girth of the trunks of their maple boner forest to see this. Its always, always, always"trade for votto...uhh...money shot". Why not ever goldy or other stud 1bman that can actually , you know, field and don't have awful contracts?

[BTS]

It's pretty simple, if we can't fill our needs with free agents we'll have to trade for them and starting pitching is where we are strongest and therefore it's the obvious place to trade from.

 

3 spots to fill is an understatement - at least 2 relievers, 1 OF, DH, 1B, backup catcher. You're right, perfect world we get all that from the free agency, but what if we don't?

 

I don't see the relief pitching, DH, or backup C positions as being places you'd address by moving a starter. Obviously it would be nice to add some shiny parts, but it's not necessary. IMO the biggest areas that absolutely need to be addressed with proven talent are 1B and a corner OF spot. And there are so many options available that it's hard to imagine not getting two of them.

 

Trading a starter just opens up a very big hole, and the only free agent arms are Nova, and Hellickson, who I'm sure nobody wants to sign.

[jays4life19]

Votto is brutal in the field, but people can't see past the girth of the trunks of their maple boner forest to see this. Its always, always, always"trade for votto...uhh...money shot". Why not ever goldy or other stud 1bman that can actually , you know, field and don't have awful contracts?

 

Probably because guys like Goldy, Rizzo, ect are pretty much untouchable.

[BTS]

Votto is brutal in the field, but people can't see past the girth of the trunks of their maple boner forest to see this. Its always, always, always"trade for votto...uhh...money shot". Why not ever goldy or other stud 1bman that can actually , you know, field and don't have awful contracts?

 

If this is true, it started this season.

[Sammy225]

Angels probably ask for Stroman or Sanchez for him. You probably like him because he's really good.

 

Likely i just read a article saying that Phillies may try to make a play for him and i don't know why Angels would sell. Thats the only reason i thought of his name.

[HERPDERP]

If we're going to give away Sanchez, you have to ask for a larger deal. You want Trout.

 

Obviously Sanchez alone is not going to get Trout, but if we're going to give up a potential ace, you want the deal to be much bigger.

[BTS]

If we're going to give away Sanchez, you have to ask for a larger deal. You want Trout.

 

Obviously Sanchez alone is not going to get Trout, but if we're going to give up a potential ace, you want the deal to be much bigger.

 

4 years of Sanchez seems pretty close to fair for 3 years of Calhoun. I think most people here would do that.

[jays4life19]

If we're going to give away Sanchez, you have to ask for a larger deal. You want Trout.

 

Obviously Sanchez alone is not going to get Trout, but if we're going to give up a potential ace, you want the deal to be much bigger.

 

lol.

[HERPDERP]

4 years of Sanchez seems pretty close to fair for 3 years of Calhoun. I think most people here would do that.

 

Calhoun is good but I want a better hitter in return for Sanchez (he's above average though). He gets a good portion of his offensive value from baserunning, and he's 29.

 

I'd do away with Stroman though.

[HERPDERP]

lol.

 

Angels better start shopping Trout because that team is a dumpster up until FA.

[baubau]

Probably because guys like Goldy, Rizzo, ect are pretty much untouchable.

 

Shapiro and Atkins need to make a trip to Atlanta, get their GM/Owner drunk, take incriminating photos of them on a night out and use it to get Freeman. All jokes aside, he too is likely in that untouchable list.

[BTS]

Calhoun is good but I want a better hitter in return for Sanchez (he's above average though). He gets a good portion of his offensive value from baserunning, and he's 29.

 

I'd do away with Stroman though.

 

He gets like 2 runs a year from baserunning. He's an above-average hitter who plays a very good RF, mostly because of a strong arm and great reads/instincts. I think Calhoun remains very productive from 29-31.

[THANOS]

I don't see the relief pitching, DH, or backup C positions as being places you'd address by moving a starter. Obviously it would be nice to add some shiny parts, but it's not necessary. IMO the biggest areas that absolutely need to be addressed with proven talent are 1B and a corner OF spot. And there are so many options available that it's hard to imagine not getting two of them.

 

Trading a starter just opens up a very big hole, and the only free agent arms are Nova, and Hellickson, who I'm sure nobody wants to sign.

 

I feel like Eric Thames can be signed pretty cheap. Maybe 2/20 or even less? He could fill DH/1B coupled with Pearce or maybe signing Eddy, if they choose 2, in the other spot. With Tellez coming within 2 years, likely, we may not need a long term option at 1st.

 

Reddick to fill a corner OF spot and come up with a Platoon with Upton/Carrera/Pompey for the other spot.

 

I think most of our holes can be addressed through FA without too much risk. I think you're right, we don't need to trade from our strengths to fill our needs reasonably this offseason. Now is the time spend a bit.

[jays_fever]

Calhoun's a very good player but I wouldnt trade Sanchez for him.

 

Stroman seems very fair though.

[L54]

Will Hutchison make the Pirates starting rotation in 2017?

 

He certainly wouldn't have made ours

 

Well he probably would have if Liriano wasn't here.

[Daniel Labude]

4 years of Sanchez seems pretty close to fair for 3 years of Calhoun. I think most people here would do that.

 

Lol. Trade the best pitcher in the AL who is 24 yrs old and still can become wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better...for a 29 yr old outfielder who put up numbers slightly better than Pillar did last year and is not good defensively and has a shorter contract Lol.

[Daniel Labude]

Angels probably ask for Stroman or Sanchez for him. You probably like him because he's really good.

 

So we can get Fulmer from Detroit for Pillar. They would definitely do that.

[Bobthe4th]

I don't see the relief pitching, DH, or backup C positions as being places you'd address by moving a starter. Obviously it would be nice to add some shiny parts, but it's not necessary. IMO the biggest areas that absolutely need to be addressed with proven talent are 1B and a corner OF spot. And there are so many options available that it's hard to imagine not getting two of them.

 

Trading a starter just opens up a very big hole, and the only free agent arms are Nova, and Hellickson, who I'm sure nobody wants to sign.

 

I hope you're right and we're not forced to give up a starter, it would be nice to have a solid starting rotation all year.

[L54]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/against-the-idea-of-the-blue-jays-rebuilding/

[BTS]

Lol. Trade the best pitcher in the AL who is 24 yrs old and still can become wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better...for a 29 yr old outfielder who put up numbers slightly better than Pillar did last year and is not good defensively and has a shorter contract Lol.

 

There are at least 4 things horribly wrong with this post.

[fatcowxlive]

4 years of Sanchez seems pretty close to fair for 3 years of Calhoun. I think most people here would do that.

 

Err? I'm guessing you're joking? Or am I missing something big here? lol

[BTS]

Err? I'm guessing you're joking? Or am I missing something big here? lol

 

I think you're underrating Calhoun. Three consecutive seasons between 3.7 and 4 fWAR. 4 runs less valuable than EE over that time.

[Terminator]

I think you're underrating Calhoun. Three consecutive seasons between 3.7 and 4 fWAR. 4 runs less valuable than EE over that time.

 

So why exactly would you move Sanchez for him though? You just don't see Sanchez keeping this up?

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Davidi on Tim and Sid mentioning guys that we could look at are

 

 

Blackmon, Inciarte, Calhoun, McCutchen and Eaton

[Abomination]

I think I would (like) to see something like:

 

Trade for Ethier (Send them Smoak in lieu of eating money).

Re-sign Navarro as the backup catcher (assuming he's willing this time). That should allow us to also give Martin a few extra days off, which probably helps his bat.

Re-sign Edwin at 1B.

Re-sign Cecil (and fast, before someone else starts to woo him)

Sign Holland (talk him into taking a 1 year deal as the setup man somehow)

Sign Reddick

 

C - Martin

1B - Encarnacion

2B - Travis

SS - Tulo

3B - Donaldson

CF - Pillar

LF - Pompey

RF - Reddick

DH - Ethier

 

Bench: Navarro, Barney, Upton

 

SP - Sanchez

SP - Stroman

SP - Happ

SP - Estrada

SP - Liriano

 

C - Osuna

RP - Holland, Cecil, Grilli, Biagini, Loup, Dermody, ? (long man)

 

My guesses at costs per year of the additions / re-signings: Ethier: 13.5M, Navarro: 2.5M, EE: 20M, Cecil: 7M, Holland: 7M, Reddick: 17M

 

That would put payroll at 185M (not sure we can go that high, but talking ideal case here).

 

A team with less k's and higher average, better defense, and a better pen.

[BTS]

So why exactly would you move Sanchez for him though? You just don't see Sanchez keeping this up?

 

Safer asset with a longer track record? I'd definitely do it if they both had 4 years of control. It being four for Sanchez and three for Calhoun might tip it in favour of Sanchez. I dunno, in terms of long term assets I have a hard time taking the pitcher over the bat.

[BTS]

Davidi on Tim and Sid mentioning guys that we could look at are

 

 

Blackmon, Inciarte, Calhoun, McCutchen and Eaton

 

Apparently they won't be shopping in the dollar bin lol

[TRM]

I f***ing love Brett Cecil.

 

I love how casual fans think he is terrible but he is actually elite. He's the most hidden gem in Blue Jays bullpen history.

 

He deserves a 3 or 4 year deal in free agency for many millions. I wonder what he will get!

 

I've always found that most teams and most sports have certain players that operate as perfect barometers for determining if someone gets that sport/team, or if they are a f***ing moron. My favorite example of this is Tony Romo in the NFL. Anyone who thinks that Tony Romo is bad or "unclutch" is objectively a moron. The same thing applies in hockey with PK Subban.

 

The example I always use for the Blue Jays is Brett Cecil. You can tell A LOT about someone as a Jays fan simply by asking them how they feel about Brett Cecil.