#BlueJays going Estrada, Happ, Sanchez and Stroman in ALDS

[vic city]

We have SP prospects coming up?

 

Yes, the prospect of no Dickey.

[Jonn]

We have SP prospects coming up?

 

Reid-Foley is pretty good.

[Abomination]

We have SP prospects coming up?

 

I mean an improvement from Stroman, and Liriano replacing Dickey.

[KingKat]

Sure but all we care about is how good they will be in the future.

 

Happ has been extremely effective all year and I have no hesitation in projecting him to be worse than the other three next year.

 

Any reason why you wouldn't project Estrada to keep doing Estrada things?

[Laika]

Any reason why you wouldn't project Estrada to keep doing Estrada things?

 

I do project him to keep on keeping on.

 

Mainly I just think Stroman is and will be better. He got very unlucky this year + he has a skill set that you can easily envision making continual improvements, until he starts to lose velocity.

[glory]

Sanchez is probably going to pitch in one game per series to limit his innings. Shapiro was adamant that he was not going to throw 220-230 innings, so if the Jays win, it will have to be primarily behind Happ, Estrada, and Stro.

[admin]

I'd keep a tight leash on Estrada depending on how his change up is looking.

[THANOS]

I do project him to keep on keeping on.

 

Mainly I just think Stroman is and will be better. He got very unlucky this year + he has a skill set that you can easily envision making continual improvements, until he starts to lose velocity.

 

Yeah, Stroman's only weakness is between the ears. When he's listening to Martin, not shaking, and hitting his spots, he's dominant.

[Dick_Pole]

I guess I can understand some reasoning for this, if it's more than just trying to protect the young starters.

 

Sanchez and Stroman at home against two Texas shitballers makes the Jays the heavy favourites to win those games. Any of the four guys in that situation would, but with those two, the probabilities are the highest. Assuming that they win those games as planned, then all the Jays have to do is squeak by in one game out of three in Texas.

[JoeCarter]

The quote some of u are thinking of is Atkins saying "I think what we're going to do is really try to work with Aaron to give this team the best chance to win," Atkins said. "We do have thresholds that would be uncomfortable. There's not a scenario where he pitches 220, 230 innings."

- http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/atkins-blue-jays-sanchez-remaining-rotation-time/

 

Anyway, rotation probably fine. I'd rather start with Happ Game 1 so that we could potentially have Happ as an additional lefty out of the pen in Games 3, 4, or 5, but whatever. Showalter drove the pace-car for pitcher-management Fail so far ahead of the field that debating the merits of Happ>Estrada vs Estrada>Happ feels kinda inconsequential.

[KingKat]

I do project him to keep on keeping on.

 

Mainly I just think Stroman is and will be better. He got very unlucky this year + he has a skill set that you can easily envision making continual improvements, until he starts to lose velocity.

 

I don't know.... I'm a data driven guy and the data on Stroman so far is all over the place. Estrada has provided the most value of anyone over two full seasons. I trust that. I value that more than Stroman's upside at the moment. That being said, there are no bad choices right now. Throw in Liriano and you have five good ones.

[closetjaysfan]

The reality is that our situation is equatable to a "first world problem" where an abundance of solid starting pitching means just about any rotation will do. Sanchez is unarguably (unless you are tercet) our best option, but not by that much. The spread between our 2-5 is so marginal that rest becomes the biggest factor. The fact that we have to bench Liriano after how well he has pitched just speaks to the balance we have among our starters.

 

They could have flipped Estrada and Happ. I can imagine that it would be tough to face his "bugs bunny" change up one night and a hard thrower the next.

[ChrisS]

When Estrada is healthy he is a more consistent and reliable pitcher than Stroman. I would have liked to have seen Happ pitch the first game so we could have him in the pen if needed later in the series.

If we can win a game over there vs Darvish and Hamels we will have a good shot at winning the series.

[Grant77]

What's with all of the bitching about not flipping Happ and Estrada? They will both be available for game 5 either way so it makes no difference.

 

The smart move is to leave them in their regular routine after they were adversely affected by the 6 man.