Buck Showalter appreciation thread.

[Grant77]

They kept showing who was getting warm in the O's bullpen and I became increasingly dumbfounded at the fact that it was never Britton. If he used him for a couple earlier he could have still held back any of his other good relievers for a potential save if he felt the need.

 

I've been wondering though, had we been on the road in Baltimore for this one would Gibby have held Osuna back?

 

I don't think so.

[KingKat]

Even if you assume that (theoretically) Gibby goes to Liriano before Osuna in a road game that's a much more defensible decision. Liriano is better than Jimenez and Osuna is not better than Britton. Equivalent decision would have been going to Feldman or someone like that which I can't see Gibby actually doing.

[GD]

I'll just accept this L.

 

hold thattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Waylanderz]

I'm still amazed that Britton didn't come in. It is unreal!

[SweetSmellingChacin]

It's the sort of decision a guy named Buck makes.

[Dr. Dinger]

 

Believe me, you're gonna wanna keep Britton for the save!

[admin]

No, if Zach Britton starts out the 11th inning and by some miracle the Blue Jays score a run or someone hits a homerun (same thing), I can guarantee you that no one with half a brain would blame Buck Showalter for using the single biggest asset that he owns in his pitching staff. We're not even comparing using Givens, O'Day or Brad Brach - admittedly excellent relievers in their own right - to not using Britton, but rather UBALDO JIMENEZ, who was dragged out to the extent of having multiple double play opportunities following meatball after meatball, over using one of the best pitchers in baseball this season, who also happens to be maybe the best groundball pitcher of all time. This was an indefensible decision with given arguments that should be a fireable offense on the spot.

 

Agree. We can argue if Jimenez should have come in or not all day, but even if with him in, Buck had a chance to bring in a reliever that has possibly had the best season in the history of baseball, to try and save the game, and he didn't. If anyone in baseball could have got out of that jam, it would have been Britton. And how you even kept him in there for that long when you see absolutely no movement on his pitches, that's another issue. There were three terrible mistakes there.

 

1. Not using Britton.

2. Not bringing Britton in when you saw Jimenez was throwing batting practice.

3. Not bringing Britton in when your only chance to save yourself is if you bring in Britton.

[fatcowxlive]

 

Believe me, you're gonna wanna keep Britton for the save!

 

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[fatcowxlive]

Agree. We can argue if Jimenez should have come in or not all day, but even if with him in, Buck had a chance to bring in a reliever that has possibly had the best season in the history of baseball, to try and save the game, and he didn't. If anyone in baseball could have got out of that jam, it would have been Britton. And how you even kept him in there for that long when you see absolutely no movement on his pitches, that's another issue. There were three terrible mistakes there.

 

1. Not using Britton.

2. Not bringing Britton in when you saw Jimenez was throwing batting practice.

3. Not bringing Britton in when your only chance to save yourself is if you bring in Britton.

 

You missed another mistake:

 

4. Not using Britton

[Dr. Dinger]

T&S are stealing my A material!

[Stangstag]

This video is glorious:

 

[Stangstag]

This video is glorious:

 

 

Bump. Everyone needs to see this

[KingKat]

Bump. Everyone needs to see this

 

You're right! Mind blown.

[KingKat]

Person who put that video together is a god damn hero.

[Jonn]

This video is glorious:

 

 

Video was great they should have just used the actual song. It's depressing enough. That just got irritating.

[Stangstag]

Video was great they should have just used the actual song. It's depressing enough. That just got irritating.

 

I thought the crappy music made the video 10x better

[KingKat]

I had completely forgotten that Showalter had done the same thing back in 1995. But thinking back now, I remember everyone saying that it would be ridiculous to fire him over it. Well guess what... They did fire him and the Yankees went on to win four consecutive World Series!

[intentional wok]

I had completely forgotten that Showalter had done the same thing back in 1995. But thinking back now, I remember everyone saying that it would be ridiculous to fire him over it. Well guess what... They did fire him and the Yankees went on to win four consecutive World Series!

 

The Marlins won the WS in 1997. :cool:

[KingKat]

The Marlins won the WS in 1997. :cool:

 

Stupid fish.

[Key22]

Buck gave the old school remark that on the road you don't use the closer unless in a save situation. Which probably has a history of making sense because if Britton comes in and goes two and then the O's get the 1 run lead - who comes into save it? Ubaldo - and he gives up three runs and you wind up losing anyway. So that's his old school approach.

 

But like everyone says - you have to look at the do or die game and you know that Toronto is already deep into their pen - they've used Cecil, Grilli and Osuna is out and now they're into Liriano who has control issues. toronto basically used all their best bullets. So you MUST use Britton to start that inning because you know he's a guy who can probably go 2 innings of shut down ball. And with the best Toronto hitters coming up. You shut the top 6 hitters down - then you bring in Ubaldo for the bottom 3. But maybe Baltimore scores.

 

You have to go from a progression of your best to your worst. If Britton goes three and you're forced to bring in Ubaldo and you lose fans can't really get on you.

 

I guess I am somewhat more sympathetic to Buck in that I do sort of understand what Buck was thinking - Ubaldo had a huge second half and he did just throw a 6 2/3 inning 1 hit shutout against Toronto his last time out. The guys was pitching crazy good - so perhaps Buck was thinking pitch the hot hand and I still have Britton to close - where Ubaldo - if he had to close - might falter under that "closer pressure."

 

Gibbons out-managed Showalter. I didn't see that coming.

[Boxcar]

This video is glorious:

 

 

Omg the music killed me, hilarious

[Dr. Dinger]

This video is glorious:

 

 

I watched this again this morning for a pick me up. Almost crying at my desk it's so good.

[BlueRocky]

This video is glorious:

 

 

I watched this again this morning for a pick me up. Almost crying at my desk it's so good.

 

That mound meeting with Osuna had me rolling on the floor

[LGBJ29]

The music is the best. Playing a recorder to Celine Dion's I will go on is just too f***ing jokes

[Dr. Dinger]

That mound meeting with Osuna had me rolling on the floor

 

gibby wheres britton lol

 

dno lol must b hurt

 

k well im hurt too

 

lol k

[SweetSmellingChacin]

If the "save" statistic never existed, the idea of "saving" your best pitcher wouldn't be a thing. Managers don't "save" their best starters for later games in a playoff series. They want their starters in as many games, in as many high leverage situations as possible. Your best bullpen guy should be used in a key, high leverage situation, regardless if that situation is in the 7th, 8th or 9th and regardless if you have the lead or are tied or winning.

[fatcowxlive]

This video is glorious:

 

 

lmfao dude hahahahahahaha

 

gibby wheres britton lol

 

dno lol must b hurt

 

k well im hurt too

 

lol k

 

dead lmfao

[Dr. Dinger]

The further we get away from the game, the more I find myself kind of pitying Buck Showalter. I never thought I could feel this.

[Boxcar]

The further we get away from the game, the more I find myself kind of pitying Buck Showalter. I never thought I could feel this.

 

Victim of his own stupidity. I have a rule against pitying people like that at a fundamental level

[Dr. Dinger]

Victim of his own stupidity. I have a rule against pitying people like that at a fundamental level

 

Yeah but it's just so embarrassing for him. I knew he would get skewered in the media, but this is as bad as I've ever seen a coach/manager get shredded. I just feel a bit sorry for him on a human level, to be so publicly shamed like this.