Free Danny Barnes

[King]

It's time to give this guy a shot. He's posted elite numbers as a reliever at every level of the minor leagues. 26 years old, and probably better than the Tepera/Venditte/Antolin etc. spinning wheel of s*** bags we've been rotating through this year.

 

http://i.imgur.com/4tfnNUW.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/CrFF8MV.png

 

He also projects by Steamer as a very good reliever right now.

[Angrioter]

Only 6 saves last 2 year. He kinds suxx

[Rusty_Savage]

Jesus he has a ridiculously low babip this year at both levels

[Stangstag]

Not really thread-worthy King

[GreekFatAss]

What kind of velocity does he have?

[Krylian]

What kind of velocity does he have?

 

Old scouting report from 4 years ago has him sitting low 90's, T94. Low 80's slider to righties. Low 80's changeup to lefties.

[Rusty_Savage]

What kind of velocity does he have?

 

http://jaysjournal.com/2012/11/29/2013-top-prospects-26-danny-barnes/

[THANOS]

A+ thread King!! This dude is as elite as MiLB relievers can be. Might as well give him a look. Maybe he could become a great 3rd option for us behind Grilli and Osuna? His peripherals certainly suggest reason to buy in.

[John_Havok]

Just reposting something I put in another thread.

 

I hold little faith in the ability of a guy who was never even good enough to be tried as a starter in the minors... ever.

 

3 career starts in the minors in 7 seasons.

 

That being said, he may have made changes this season as his walk rate has plummeted from his previously consistent 7 to 8% to a mere 2 -3 %, while bumping his K rate up from 28% to 36% even while jumping up a level, though his AAA sample size is still very small and he's probably still benefitting from seeing hitters for the first time.

[King]

A+ thread King!! This dude is as elite as MiLB relievers can be. Might as well give him a look. Maybe he could become a great 3rd option for us behind Grilli and Osuna? His peripherals certainly suggest reason to buy in.

I don't see why he doesn't deserve a shot at this point. Give him low leverage situations to see what he can do and then go from there. If he sucks then send him back to Buffalo and it's nothing lost. If he's good then it's a massive win. There isn't really a risk in giving him a chance, only upside.

[L54]

Seriously, what gives you the right to make this a thread? Do you think you're better than everyone else around here?

 

Banish this to the general BJ discussion please mods.

[baseballsss]

I don't see why he doesn't deserve a shot at this point. Give him low leverage situations to see what he can do and then go from there. If he sucks then send him back to Buffalo and it's nothing lost. If he's good then it's a massive win. There isn't really a risk in giving him a chance, only upside.

 

lol Gibbons thinking of trying somebody out is putting them in a high leverage situation.

[L54]

At this point, the pen is so s*** he's worth a shot. It's literally a zero risk all reward gamble.

[THANOS]

I don't see why he doesn't deserve a shot at this point. Give him low leverage situations to see what he can do and then go from there. If he sucks then send him back to Buffalo and it's nothing lost. If he's good then it's a massive win. There isn't really a risk in giving him a chance, only upside.

 

You're spot on as usual. I just don't understand why Tepara continues to get opportunities when our BP needs help? His peripherals aren't even THAT great for a AAA reliever. Barely over 9 K/9, >3 BB/9, 2.97 FIP. Barnes shits on those numbers easily.

[King]

You're spot on as usual. I just don't understand why Tepara continues to get opportunities when our BP needs help?

 

He's not the only one either. Ben Rowen could be useful with his extreme ground ball rates. Dermody might be a useful LOOGY (although we have a few of those guys, like Girodo and Loup).

 

There's probably more.. but those 2 come to mind off the top of my head.

[THANOS]

He's not the only one either. Ben Rowen could be useful with his extreme ground ball rates. Dermody might be a useful LOOGY (although we have a few of those guys, like Girodo and Loup).

 

There's probably more.. but those 2 come to mind off the top of my head.

 

For sure. I just don't understand Atkins' mind when it comes to cycling in those shitballers over and over again.

Edited July 25, 2016 by THANOS

[Grant77]

The numbers for Barnes are stellar, but Shapiro obviously sees something to suggest that he won't succeed at the major league level. Every team has a guy or two like this and they are rarely any good. RJ Swindle comes to mind.

 

In the absence of a more detailed scouting report and experience watching Barnes, I'll just trust that they know that they are doing

[King]

The numbers for Barnes are stellar, but Shapiro obviously sees something to suggest that he won't succeed at the major league level. Every team has a guy or two like this and they are rarely any good. RJ Swindle comes to mind.

 

In the absence of a more detailed scouting report and experience watching Barnes, I'll just trust that they know that they are doing

 

Is that obvious? He could very easily be in their plans for a callup within the next couple months. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it never will.

 

Just to say though, you are right he could very well be a s*** bag like Tepera. Just based off of his steamer projections and minor league numbers/swinging strike%, the upside is worth giving him a chance. Never know unless you try.

[Grant77]

Is that obvious? He could very easily be in their plans for a callup within the next couple months. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it never will.

 

Just to say though, you are right he could very well be a s*** bag like Tepera. Just based off of his steamer projections and minor league numbers/swinging strike%, the upside is worth giving him a chance. Never know unless you try.

 

I just fail to understand why they would hold back Barnes in favour of mediocre pitchers when we're trying to win. If they thought he could put up the ratios that steamer predicts, he certainly wouldn't be in AAA (excepting off field issues).

 

That being said, I do agree with your second paragraph. I'm just not too upset that they haven't done it yet.

[GreekFatAss]

It kind of seems to me like we are moving pieces into position to make the pen in the next year that could be longer term options in Barnes, Demody and Mayza.

[jays4life19]

At this point, the pen is so s*** he's worth a shot. It's literally a zero risk all reward gamble.

 

Why do you think the pen "is so s***" ?

[L54]

Exaggeration, but there's a good chance he wouldn't be the team's worst reliever.

[John_Havok]

Is that obvious? He could very easily be in their plans for a callup within the next couple months. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it never will.

 

Just to say though, you are right he could very well be a s*** bag like Tepera. Just based off of his steamer projections and minor league numbers/swinging strike%, the upside is worth giving him a chance. Never know unless you try.

 

I'm legitimately curious to know if he has changed anything like arm slot, delivery, found a new pitch etc...something to explain a microscopic babip and 95% stand rate seemingly out if nowhere.

[fatcowxlive]

The only reason I can see is that it's a 40 man roster issue.... But then again they can just DFA Teperia off the 40 man. Maybe they know about him and they want to move a piece like Shultz or something at the deadline before making changes to the 40 man? I can't think of anything else

[burlingtonbandit]

The only reason I can see is that it's a 40 man roster issue.... But then again they can just DFA Teperia off the 40 man. Maybe they know about him and they want to move a piece like Shultz or something at the deadline before making changes to the 40 man? I can't think of anything else

 

Schultz isn't exactly a "piece". He's the type of player you get cash considerations or a PTBNL in return.

[STLJaysFan]

Who's going to get removed from the 25 man roster when Goins comes off of the DL? Tepera or another reliever? Or maybe it'll depend on what kind of transactions take place in the next few days.

[King]

The only reason I can see is that it's a 40 man roster issue.... But then again they can just DFA Teperia off the 40 man. Maybe they know about him and they want to move a piece like Shultz or something at the deadline before making changes to the 40 man? I can't think of anything else

 

DFA Brady Dragmire

[Pendleton]

Who's going to get removed from the 25 man roster when Goins comes off of the DL? Tepera or another reliever? Or maybe it'll depend on what kind of transactions take place in the next few days.

 

Likely no one. Doesn't look like Goins has a spot on this roster when everyone is healthy.

[fatcowxlive]

Schultz isn't exactly a "piece". He's the type of player you get cash considerations or a PTBNL in return.

 

Exactly, not the first time the FO will trade a guy to get cash relief to balance out the budget, and depending on how much we pay Upton well..

 

DFA Brady Dragmire

 

Sure! Who is he anyways lmao

[fatcowxlive]

Who's going to get removed from the 25 man roster when Goins comes off of the DL? Tepera or another reliever? Or maybe it'll depend on what kind of transactions take place in the next few days.

 

I'm interested to see who comes off the 25 man after this trade... Smoak/Barney/Thole/Carerra is the bench no? Does Carerra have options?