Just designate Storen for assignment already

[TheGrandslamMan]

Can't see this guy helping us at all down the stretch, and you'd have to be crazy to trust him in any sort of high leverage situation... May as well just cut our losses cause I doubt we'll be able to get anything in return.

[Spanky__99]

K........

[Stangstag]

Yes. Exactly what I was thinking as he gave up the homerun. The guy sucks. I can't remember the last outing where he didn't give up a double/triple/homer

[Boxcar]

Can't see this guy helping us at all down the stretch, and you'd have to be crazy to trust him in any sort of high leverage situation... May as well just cut our losses cause I doubt we'll be able to get anything in return.

 

If you're going to start a thread like this, it would probably be advisable to back up your point of view with an argument.

[BTS]

I don't see it happening, because I think all of the following are true:

 

- Their financial investment in him is effectively identical whether they keep him or cut him.

- The is a very low probability that he's worse than the likely replacement-level arm that replaces him, in terms of ROS performance.

- If he's being replaced by a similar arm, AND that role is a low-leverage role, there is effectively no change to the team's performance.

- There is a chance he finds 'it' again. This is, after all, a 33-inning slump that follows 333 innings of excellent performance. A Storen that returns to form actually could make a difference in the standings if he earns high-leverage innings.

[jays4life19]

- There is a chance he finds 'it' again. This is, after all, a 33-inning slump that follows 333 innings of excellent performance. A Storen that returns to form actually could make a difference in the standings if he earns high-leverage innings.

 

Yeah. His peripherals really aren't THAT much different then last year. It's not crazy to think he'll come around, and in the mean time just use him in low leverage spots.

[BigCecil]

Yeah. His peripherals really aren't THAT much different then last year. It's not crazy to think he'll come around, and in the mean time just use him in low leverage spots.

 

^ yup. Pray he figures it out. There is nothing else they can do. With this pen, we need he and Cecil to give us some quality innings.

[thatoneguy]

Danny Barnes please.

[jaysblue]

Yeah like BTS said, the arm you likely replace him with from Buffalo isn't going to much of an upgrade, if any at all. It's unfortunate that Storen hasn't panned out here because the Jays could really use him right now.

 

Not sure what the exact stats are, though it seems like when Storen hasn't pitched in the closers role (even when with the Nats), he was pretty awful. Even when they went out and got Papelbon last season and pushed Storen down to the 8th inning, he just imploded.

[THANOS]

Yeah like BTS said, the arm you likely replace him with from Buffalo isn't going to much of an upgrade, if any at all. It's unfortunate that Storen hasn't panned out here because the Jays could really use him right now.

 

Not sure what the exact stats are, though it seems like when Storen hasn't pitched in the closers role (even when with the Nats), he was pretty awful. Even when they went out and got Papelbon last season and pushed Storen down to the 8th inning, he just imploded.

 

Danny Barnes is worth a look. He could be a significant upgrade over Storen.

[Boxcar]

Yeah like BTS said, the arm you likely replace him with from Buffalo isn't going to much of an upgrade, if any at all. It's unfortunate that Storen hasn't panned out here because the Jays could really use him right now.

 

Not sure what the exact stats are, though it seems like when Storen hasn't pitched in the closers role (even when with the Nats), he was pretty awful. Even when they went out and got Papelbon last season and pushed Storen down to the 8th inning, he just imploded.

 

He's got a HR/FB North of 15% and a BABIP north of .350. Swstr still pretty good, gb% pretty good, walk rate pretty good, Steamer has him as a 3.5 ish FIP guy ROS. Really, I'd just stay the course with him.

[Jonn]

You could make the case hes been a gas can for a full calendar year. He was s*** the second half of last year. Unless you're replacing his roster spot with an impact reliever no it doesn't make a difference. He's already not being used in important spots. Hes f***ing trash though. Nobody can argue the fact he doesn't suck all the suck with a straight face.

 

Plus all the rumours of him not wanting to be here don't help.

[FrozenRopes]

He's got a HR/FB North of 15% and a BABIP north of .350. Swstr still pretty good, gb% pretty good, walk rate pretty good, Steamer has him as a 3.5 ish FIP guy ROS. Really, I'd just stay the course with him.

 

FrozenRopes advanced metrics say he sucks. It also points that every day he gets a little older and will trend towards providing more suck.

[glory]

He's getting hit harder than ever and his velocity is down. This is not all bad luck.

[Jonn]

He's getting hit harder than ever and his velocity is down. This is not all bad luck.

 

But the numbers suggest it is....

[GD]

FrozenRopes advanced metrics say he sucks. It also points that every day he gets a little older and will trend towards providing more suck.

 

Sick

[TheGrandslamMan]

If you're going to start a thread like this, it would probably be advisable to back up your point of view with an argument.

 

I figured it was self-explanatory

[TheGrandslamMan]

You could make the case hes been a gas can for a full calendar year. He was s*** the second half of last year. Unless you're replacing his roster spot with an impact reliever no it doesn't make a difference. He's already not being used in important spots. Hes f***ing trash though. Nobody can argue the fact he doesn't suck all the suck with a straight face.

 

Plus all the rumours of him not wanting to be here don't help.

 

Yeah, wasn't there reports 2 months ago that the Jays wanted to trade him? The guy seems miserable and it's pretty clear for whatever reason that it's just not gonna work out for him here. May as well take a chance with someone else at this point. Heck, a guy like Wade Leblanc would have been a better option.

 

I get that it's hard to cut bait because at the start of the season the prospect of having Storen in the back end of the pen sounded really awesome and it's hard to just up and let go, but I highly doubt theres gonna be any bounce-back here.

[Boxcar]

I figured it was self-explanatory

 

Then what was the point of the thread in the first place? It's not so cut and dry. You can't just say that a guy needs to be DFA'd without analyzing the good and the bad.

[BlueJayWay]

Done!

[jaysguy44]

Yeeeee

[BigBulgeBlueBird]

Someone should make a thread saying the jays should acquire Chris Sale. See if they listen to the one.

[BTS]

I don't see it happening, because I think all of the following are true:

 

- Their financial investment in him is effectively identical whether they keep him or cut him.

- The is a very low probability that he's worse than the likely replacement-level arm that replaces him, in terms of ROS performance.

- If he's being replaced by a similar arm, AND that role is a low-leverage role, there is effectively no change to the team's performance.

- There is a chance he finds 'it' again. This is, after all, a 33-inning slump that follows 333 innings of excellent performance. A Storen that returns to form actually could make a difference in the standings if he earns high-leverage innings.

 

Great take BTS. You really had a feel for the situation.

[THANOS]

Great take BTS. You really had a feel for the situation.

 

I'm just curious why arms like Dermody, Rowen, and Barnes get passed over for Tepera?

[BTS]

I'm just curious why arms like Dermody, Rowen, and Barnes get passed over for Tepera?

 

I have no idea. At least those guys have a shot at being better than Storen. Don't really see it with Tepera.

[THANOS]

I have no idea. At least those guys have a shot at being better than Storen. Don't really see it with Tepera.

 

Agreed. Who knows what they can provide, but they definitely deserve a look with the state of our BP.

[Inklink]

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[Jonn]

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I said in the GDT I expect Storen to be DFA'd. So yes I may just be.

[Governator]

Either we are really hard up on cash for purchasing a contract or front office is f***ing stupid to think Tepera is any kind of a replacement for Storen. We have better options who can't do worse than Tepera.

[Atothe]

Either we are really hard up on cash for purchasing a contract or front office is f***ing stupid to think Tepera is any kind of a replacement for Storen. We have better options who can't do worse than Tepera.

 

They do have better options but managing a 40 man roster is hard. This is why Ross Atkins is probably paid a pretty penny.