Colabello suspended 80 Games

[BigCecil]

Lol. Agreed. He was undervalued by most of us when you look at current situation. Having said that the mgm has made it much worse then it should be by using f***ing Zeke as the 4th OF.

 

Couldn't put the ball in play with runners on and none out in Game 6 in KC for the Jays, sorry braj take care Ben.

 

You cant be serious. You do realize he was in there against Wade Davis and the ump totally f***ed him on a 2-1 pitch high and 10 inches outside the zone right?

 

Putting a ball in play 3-1 against Davis hard enough, but 2-2 is a whole other level of difficult. There is a justifiable reason Ben was hammering the f*** out of that garbage can.

 

I cant believe anyone would let that be their determining factor in valuing a player.

[bones10]

You cant be serious. You do realize he was in there against Wade Davis and the ump totally f***ed him on a 2-1 pitch high and 10 inches outside the zone right?

 

Putting a ball in play 3-1 against Davis hard enough, but 2-2 is a whole other level of difficult. There is a justifiable reason Ben was hammering the f*** out of that garbage can.

 

I cant believe anyone would let that be their determining factor in valuing a player.

 

Ben revere isn't a very good baseball player and it showed when it counted most; Saunders will be worth more than revere even if he plays half as many games.

[John_Havok]

In my world they do.

 

There are no lesbians, just women in comfortable shoes - Robin Williams

[BigCecil]

Ben revere isn't a very good baseball player and it showed when it counted most; Saunders will be worth more than revere even if he plays half as many games.

 

Ben Revere isn't a great baseball player but you are talking out your ass. They have both had a couple of 2 WAR seasons with Revere topping out 2.8 and Saunders at 2.3. They are decent but flawed players. They are wash but given Saunders injury resume it would be easy to make the case Ben is worth more. (he costs more)

[bones10]

Ben Revere isn't a great baseball player but you are talking out your ass. They have both had a couple of 2 WAR seasons with Revere topping out 2.8 and Saunders at 2.3. They are decent but flawed players. They are wash but given Saunders injury resume it would be easy to make the case Ben is worth more. (he costs more)

 

How am I talking out of my ass, Saunders played 78 games and it compares to any season revere has played with 100+ games.

[bones10]

Saunders has way more upside is all I'm trying to say; have you seen Reveres swing? It's f***ing AIDS

[BigCecil]

How am I talking out of my ass, Saunders played 78 games and it compares to any season revere has played with 100+ games.

 

Saunders has way more upside is all I'm trying to say; have you seen Reveres swing? It's f***ing AIDS

 

Well that's kind of the problem with the value/upside of Saunders as we saw 2015 and 2016, as he has missed 5-6 starts already. When he has played this season I love his plate approach. If he stays healthy I agree he does have more upside. Huge if.

 

His best season he played 140 gms and was a 2.3 WAR. He has a career .304 OBP. The 126 wRC+ in 2014 is great, but he really hasn't come close to that over a full season.

 

Revere is a hacker with a 5% BB rate and low K high contact. Still...he managed a .340 OBP for us 2015. Defensively, neither of them are great, but serviceable. Revere was a useful player for the Jays filling a gaping hole in LF and getting on base. Trading him may still work out well for us though.

 

This is only an topic of discussion because Gibby continues to use Carerra over Dalton or Ceciliani.

[Sorrow]

This is only an topic of discussion because Gibby continues to use Carerra over Dalton or Ceciliani.

 

Pompey has turf toe, he's not going to get called up while that injury exists and Cecilliani is also injured though I don't know what with.

 

The other options we have over Zeke who are healthy are Lake and Brown and I don't know if either are actually better than Zeke.

[Angrioter]

Pompey has turf toe, he's not going to get called up while that injury exists and Cecilliani is also injured though I don't know what with.

 

The other options we have over Zeke who are healthy are Lake and Brown and I don't know if either are actually better than Zeke.

 

Lake is better than Zeke by far

[BigCecil]

Pompey has turf toe, he's not going to get called up while that injury exists and Cecilliani is also injured though I don't know what with.

 

The other options we have over Zeke who are healthy are Lake and Brown and I don't know if either are actually better than Zeke.

 

Ya. I know about them both but who knows what would have happened if Zeke never got the 4th OF in the first place and it was given to one of the other 2.

[Grant77]

Ya. I know about them both but who knows what would have happened if Zeke never got the 4th OF in the first place and it was given to one of the other 2.

 

We'd probably have the exact same record. He's hitting .318 with average D and a SB, just fine for a backup OF.

[BigCecil]

We'd probably have the exact same record. He's hitting .318 with average D and a SB, just fine for a backup OF.

 

I doubt it. He had one very good game. Aside from that he has been replacement level or worse. He sucks on D. I believe we should be putting the players on the field who give us the best probability of winning, especially when they are getting as much playing time as he is. I don't know buy that the other choices don't have better tools to give us a better chance to contribute to wins.

 

It wouldn't be much of an issue but we are losing 8-10 WAR with Cecil, Edwin and Jose 2017 and this is a WIN season.

Edited April 24, 2016 by BigCecil

[burlingtonbandit]

Well that's kind of the problem with the value/upside of Saunders as we saw 2015 and 2016, as he has missed 5-6 starts already. When he has played this season I love his plate approach. If he stays healthy I agree he does have more upside. Huge if.

 

His best season he played 140 gms and was a 2.3 WAR. He has a career .304 OBP. The 126 wRC+ in 2014 is great, but he really hasn't come close to that over a full season.

 

Revere is a hacker with a 5% BB rate and low K high contact. Still...he managed a .340 OBP for us 2015. Defensively, neither of them are great, but serviceable. Revere was a useful player for the Jays filling a gaping hole in LF and getting on base. Trading him may still work out well for us though.

 

This is only an topic of discussion because Gibby continues to use Carerra over Dalton or Ceciliani.

 

Thats the GM not the manager.

[BigCecil]

Thats the GM not the manager.

 

I knew someone might take me up on that statement. I think in this case Gibby was very much behind keeping Carerra, and he got his way with the GM.

 

Gibby is loyal to a fault, and his explanation "He did a lot of good things for us last year" explaining the 4 OF choice was quintessential Gibby.

 

The buck stops with the GM, so ultimately its his responsibility.

[KingKat]

I knew someone might take me up on that statement. I think in this case Gibby was very much behind keeping Carerra, and he got his way with the GM.

 

Gibby is loyal to a fault, and his explanation "He did a lot of good things for us last year" explaining the 4 OF choice was quintessential Gibby.

 

The buck stops with the GM, so ultimately its his responsibility.

 

I was going to make an argument that maybe the front office has a reason to see something in ole 'Zeke but that's before I realized that he's already 29 and has nearly 700 PAs of sub-700 OPS MLB baseball under his belt. Even his good MiLB seasons came at time when he was too old for his level. He's worse than I realized. I thought he was a guy who put up good numbers but failed the eye test but he's not even that. Whoever once said he had good MiLB number ignored the most important one (age).

[flafson]

I knew someone might take me up on that statement. I think in this case Gibby was very much behind keeping Carerra, and he got his way with the GM.

 

Gibby is loyal to a fault, and his explanation "He did a lot of good things for us last year" explaining the 4 OF choice was quintessential Gibby.

 

The buck stops with the GM, so ultimately its his responsibility.

 

I'm pretty sure both Pompey and Ceciliani are injured right now. I looked up both their stats yesterday and they were towards the bottom of the team in AB's, so I doubt they are healthy enough to be called up.

[nextyear]

So it has only been 2 days since Colabello's suspension and it seems like he has already been forgotten - that's life.

[BigCecil]

I'm pretty sure both Pompey and Ceciliani are injured right now. I looked up both their stats yesterday and they were towards the bottom of the team in AB's, so I doubt they are healthy enough to be called up.

 

Ya, I know. As I said above. That's not the point. The point is...the best roster moves. Nobody knows what would have happened performance or injury wise if either of them were named 4th OF with the big club to start the season. We have lost a number of close games and I think either would have given us a better chance to win.

 

Writing off this notion because they are injured just now, is kind of like declaring we won the Revere trade. Because he is on the DL at this point in time.

[Krylian]

I knew someone might take me up on that statement. I think in this case Gibby was very much behind keeping Carerra, and he got his way with the GM.

 

Gibby is loyal to a fault, and his explanation "He did a lot of good things for us last year" explaining the 4 OF choice was quintessential Gibby.

 

The buck stops with the GM, so ultimately its his responsibility.

 

The blame needs to be shared by everyone. Having a divided GM, AGM, and Manager is one of the ingredients to a recipe for failure.

[BigCecil]

The blame needs to be shared by everyone. Having a divided GM, AGM, and Manager is one of the ingredients to a recipe for failure.

 

Ya, that's fine. I agree with that. Normally I wouldn't single out Gibby at all, but I think he is a really nice person and loyal to a fault. He would stick by guys like Carerra and Cola way more than most. I think his influence was heavy in choice of 4th OF. At the end of day though, BurlBandit is technically correct...its the GM and not the Mgr.

[Cyris]

Ok Colo clearly gave his stash to Carrera before he left....

[Dr Negative]

The whole of professional sports is on PEDs. Can we just give up the prohibition already, the battle has been lost.

[burlingtonbandit]

I knew someone might take me up on that statement. I think in this case Gibby was very much behind keeping Carerra, and he got his way with the GM.

 

Gibby is loyal to a fault, and his explanation "He did a lot of good things for us last year" explaining the 4 OF choice was quintessential Gibby.

 

The buck stops with the GM, so ultimately its his responsibility.

 

I remember in Spring Gibby really liked Ceciliani and said he would have made the team had he not had options. To me that sounds like the FO took Carrera because of the options.

[KingKat]

The whole of professional sports is on PEDs. Can we just give up the prohibition already, the battle has been lost.

 

A microcosm of the entire war on drugs really.

[TheHurl]

A microcosm of the entire war on drugs really.

 

the war on PED's only happened because America was losing it's war on drugs...and those middle east issues

[o2cui2i]

 

This is only an topic of discussion because Gibby continues to use Carerra over Dalton or Ceciliani.

 

Ceciliani is injured... he won't be called up while on the DL. They said that they wanted Pompey to play every day, not sit on the bench in MLB games. I can buy that until Saunders has body parts fall off and then Pompey should be called up. Ceciliani could be called up once he's rehabed and ready to play, but less likely after the weekend Zeke had

[o2cui2i]

the war on PED's only happened because America was losing it's war on drugs...and those middle east issues

 

the war on Ped is from PC people in the public whining which makes the League try to be politically correct. The Govt couldn't give a rats ass about peds.

 

 

They lost the war on drugs. The new war is against nerds living in their mom's basement pirating movies and music. Obama has spent more time talking to foreign countries about pirating than about "the horror which shall not be named" It's on record in Sweden that Obama has had personal meetings with Prime Minister of Sweden about Sweden's pirate laws. I doubt our PM even knows what the laws are so talking to him really wont help. Our PM isn't the sharpest balloon in the circus tent.

 

Even the guy that started Pirate bay is back in Thailand after just 3 years in jail. Of course he didn't have to pay the billions of dollars in fines. lol Pirate Bay went down and 10 even better sites came up out of the ashes.

[BigCecil]

Ceciliani is injured... he won't be called up while on the DL. They said that they wanted Pompey to play every day, not sit on the bench in MLB games. I can buy that until Saunders has body parts fall off and then Pompey should be called up. Ceciliani could be called up once he's rehabed and ready to play, but less likely after the weekend Zeke had

 

I know they are/have both been injured for the 3rd time lol. That's not the point. Who knows what would have happened if either of them never got sent down. Our 4th OF is getting lots of ABs, as expected/predicted and that will continue. I don't see how Pompey (forget about turf toe for a second) would have had his development impeded by this role, although he would have burned a year as an asset....as some have mentioned. Dalton has to learn to produce at MLB level.

 

Zeke has had a great couple gms aside from the injuries, which will make this all moot anyway. He isn't going anywhere for awhile. Lets hope he can continue to produce. His WAR is higher already than 2015

[RealAccountant]

Zeke also hit like this out of 2015. Takes pitchers a while to actually care enough to game plan for him. Once they do, Zeke is done.

[RealAccountant]

Bring back Juan Francisco and let him crush RHP