GDT: 4/20/2016 Blue Jays vs Orioles, Game 2/3

[fatcowxlive]

Back tightness

 

His back.

 

Thanks! Day to day I assume?

[intentional wok]

lmfao

 

That game really couldn't have ended any other way.

 

I hate watching Dickey starts. Some of the most laboured, excruciating baseball possible.

 

Somebody get counts going for the following events:

 

Full counts (add a gold star for one that goes full from 0-2)

Wild pitches/passed balls

2-strike hits

 

My prediction from earlier. A little later than I expected, but this is how the game was decided.

[jackie]

I got worried when I saw biagini shaking off so many of Thole pitch calls. They were not on the same page

[Effit]

You can complain that we left 10 on base... But several times balls were stung right in gloves. I'm actually feeling like they're finally coming out of this beginning season slump after seeing today

 

They are looking much better, but still not quite there, and not getting enough breaks go their way. The tide is beginning to turn though, I think.

[admin]

I got worried when I saw biagini shaking off so many of Thole pitch calls. They were not on the same page

 

Thole wanted a nice easy breaking ball down the middle, anything outside and above 80mph he'll have trouble with.

[nmrch]

We'rea month into the damn season, he doesn't need a f***ing day off.

And I'll take a cold Martin with a broken arm over Thole.

It's not hard to prepare to come into the game when you know you're coming in when Dickey is coming out.

Stop looking for reasons, you're wrong. Gibbons is a terrible manager, period.

 

People really don't understand how workloads of catchers is differeny from other positions. Look at how other catchers are treated, the only guy who plays almost everyday is Sal Perez. If anything, if you look a the workloads of catchers comparable to Martin (like McCann) we're working him too hard already

[KingKat]

You are correct. The question isn't why is Martin getting the full day off, the question is why are we still giving Dickey a personal catcher instead of a great defensive catcher? I mean with Thole, Dickey is poised to be the worst starter out of our rotation. We can't justify giving him a personal catcher.

 

What's the status of Jimenez? Isn't he supposed to be a wonder kid behind the plate defensively? I think we should roll the dice on him until we can find someone decent on the waiver wire.

 

Jimenez is as bad as Thole offensively and I don't think he's had much practice at all with Dickey. Considering the learning curve, he's not really worth it as a temporary solution.

[Angrioter]

lmfao

 

That game really couldn't have ended any other way.

 

Our worst player making an appearance.

[Spanky99]

People really don't understand how workloads of catchers is differeny from other positions. Look at how other catchers are treated, the only guy who plays almost everyday is Sal Perez. If anything, if you look a the workloads of catchers comparable to Martin (like McCann) we're working him too hard already

 

No worries, ju1ced is dumn. His reactionary posts are bad, and he should feel bad.

[glory]

Far be it for me to defend the Gibbster, but you have to rest Martin some times. The problem is we have this sack of s*** named Thole as the back-up because they would rather cater to their 4th or 5th best SP than put an actual MLB player in the back-up spot. I don't miss Fatty Navarro, but man, they could have signed Kratz again, or a whole host of other defense first catchers that can't hit.

[burlingtonbandit]

We'rea month into the damn season, he doesn't need a f***ing day off.

And I'll take a cold Martin with a broken arm over Thole.

It's not hard to prepare to come into the game when you know you're coming in when Dickey is coming out.

Stop looking for reasons, you're wrong. Gibbons is a terrible manager, period.

 

Christ...

 

Martin played 8 straight days coming into this game and the team doesn't have an off day anytime soon. You can't play your catcher that much and expect good performance. Especially now that the Jays have a high performance dept. they know how important rest and recovery is. As a catcher you can't just come cold off the bench thats not how it works unless you want him going on the DL pulling something.

[Governator]

Our worst player making an appearance.

 

The league's worst player really. I don't know if there is a worse 25th man on any team and if there is I'd like to know who. There isn't a team who doesn't have Dickey that would have Thole on their roster.

[jackie]

If floyd can stay healthy the pen is starting to look really good

[burlingtonbandit]

Far be it for me to defend the Gibbster, but you have to rest Martin some times. The problem is we have this sack of s*** named Thole as the back-up because they would rather cater to their 4th or 5th best SP than put an actual MLB player in the back-up spot. I don't miss Fatty Navarro, but man, they could have signed Kratz again, or a whole host of other defense first catchers that can't hit.

 

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

[KingKat]

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

 

Elite framer.

[Spanky99]

Far be it for me to defend the Gibbster, but you have to rest Martin some times. The problem is we have this sack of s*** named Thole as the back-up because they would rather cater to their 4th or 5th best SP than put an actual MLB player in the back-up spot. I don't miss Fatty Navarro, but man, they could have signed Kratz again, or a whole host of other defense first catchers that can't hit.

 

Kratz can catch his KB, and has a better bat.

[intentional wok]

Jimenez is as bad as Thole offensively and I don't think he's had much practice at all with Dickey. Considering the learning curve, he's not really worth it as a temporary solution.

 

The only solution at this point is giving the job to Martin and finding a usable backup C. The problem is and always has been that no other option has ever been legitimately trained.

[Spanky99]

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

 

lol

[bones10]

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

 

He's better than thole.

[fatcowxlive]

Jimenez is as bad as Thole offensively and I don't think he's had much practice at all with Dickey. Considering the learning curve, he's not really worth it as a temporary solution.

 

I'm not saying he should catch dickey, Martin should. He should catch others like Estrada or Happ or someone, if his defensive skills are elite of course. I'm not looking for offensive output from our backup catcher.

[Angrioter]

If floyd can stay healthy the pen is starting to look really good

 

Floyd and Chavez will start games instead of Dickey

[glory]

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

 

He caught the knuckler in spring training a few years ago, if I'm not mistaken. The decision to have Thole on the team instead of him was I'm sure totally an organizational decision (iow, Dickey got his wish), but that's one guy who might be able to catch Dickey and be a serviceable back-up at the same time.

[admin]

People really don't understand how workloads of catchers is differeny from other positions. Look at how other catchers are treated, the only guy who plays almost everyday is Sal Perez. If anything, if you look a the workloads of catchers comparable to Martin (like McCann) we're working him too hard already

 

I'm new here, thanks for the lesson.

[KingKat]

I'm not saying he should catch dickey, Martin should. He should catch others like Estrada or Happ or someone, if his defensive skills are elite of course. I'm not looking for offensive output from our backup catcher.

 

That makes sense.

[intentional wok]

lol whats with this love affair of Erik Kratz around here. He sucks?

 

He's not complete dead weight and is a reasonable backup for Martin with the other pitchers too. Martin's days off are basically Dickey starts at this point, and that's not really a good way to do things.

[jays76]

It happens on occasion but we can't lose too many of these winnable games. We've already gift wrapped a few too many games this early in the season for my liking.

[Belliss101]

BABIP monster really abused us tonight. He's getting us back for a full season of Colabella

[burlingtonbandit]

Elite framer.

 

Thole isn't that bad of a framer when you consider the knuckleball penalty. I don't really see how Kratz makes this huge upgrade if he's here over Thole. They're both s***** hitters and are only going to play 40 games anyway. The difference probably isn't even half a win.

[BTS]

There were some intriguing catchers in the rule 5. Kratz only signed a MiLB deal. It wouldn't have been hard to bring in a guy to a least compete with Thole in the spring.

 

There are guys available every offseason. Just last year Flowers signed for cheap, Kratz and McKenry signed MiLB deals, and Conger was almost free via trade. It's so goddamn frustrating to be chained to Thole.

[Belliss101]

Bottom line - Dickey continues to be the gift that just keeps on giving lol