General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Governator]

He is a body and we need bodies

 

$8mm bodies.

[thatoneguy]

So Justin Smoak is now at 0.0 fWAR. He has 0.4 fWAR in 817 career games. Why does this guy still have a job?

 

Holy f***.

[RealAccountant]

Jays set franchise record in strikeouts

[GoJays1562]

He's safe why are we reviewing this.

[Stangstag]

He's safe why are we reviewing this.

 

Gibbons dumn

[GD]

Just f***ing around with Pitch F/X data. Estrada's 2015 spin rates by month.

 

http://i.imgur.com/tBQ3jnH.png

[o2cui2i]

So Justin Smoak is now at 0.0 fWAR. He has 0.4 fWAR in 817 career games. Why does this guy still have a job?

 

that's good enough that they should extend him and reward him for being s***... oh wait, they already did

[BTS]

that's good enough that they should extend him and reward him for being s***... oh wait, they already did

 

I wonder if any team would take him this offseason.

[Angrioter]

I wonder if any team would take him this offseason.

 

Why?

1B is the "Hit the f***ing baseball" position, and Smoak can't hit. You don't need an 1B only bench guy, when you could have an 1B-3B or 1B-corner Of.

[o2cui2i]

I wonder if any team would take him this offseason.

 

if the jays pay his salary someone will. would probably be worth paying him to play elsewhere.

[puphood]

Time for another player only group hug.......

[Maahfaace]

Jays should offer Reid-Foley, Alford, and Greene for Freeman, see if that s*** show management in Atl bites.

[Grant77]

Jays should offer Reid-Foley, Alford, and Greene for Freeman, see if that s*** show management in Atl bites.

 

No they won't.

[intentional wok]

Getting completely shut down by the Angels with 14 games to go might be the team's low this year. What an absolute choke of the season. The opposing team's quality doesn't even matter at this point. The team refuses to do anything to win.

[THANOS]

Getting completely shut down by the Angels with 14 games to go might be the team's low this year. What an absolute choke of the season. The opposing team's quality doesn't even matter at this point. The team refuses to do anything to win.

 

Big changes in the coaching staff and, likely, the offense construction are coming in the off-season. It would be nice if we didn't have to sacrifice this season to get there though .

[intentional wok]

Big changes in the coaching staff and, likely, the offense construction are coming in the off-season. It would be nice if we didn't have to sacrifice this season to get there though .

 

Proven MVP candidates have gone completely cold all at once. Not sure what the coaches can do about that or what magic dynamic you think isn't in place. The players know what they're doing and have carried the team for nearly a calendar year's worth of games over the past two seasons. In situations like this you just acknowledge that faceplants happen even to big name squads.

[Stangstag]

Jays are 28th in MLB for runs scored in September.

 

The team has forgotten how to hit.

[RealAccountant]

Good morning

 

How is everyone feeling about our chances to hang on to the WC

[Jonn]

Team has completely broken me. Obviously we can still make the playoffs. But the s***** hitting and defense is killing us. Sneaking in at this point barely feels like a good thing. Even a .500 September excellent chance we are still either leading the division or tied. Edited September 19, 2016 by Jonn

[RealAccountant]

Reminds me a lot of the 2014 Athletics.

[RealAccountant]

We need a depression thread

[fatcowxlive]

So we have the oldest team in baseball. Everyone in the media loves to rave about that the oldness an advantage of experience... where the f*** is the experience when everyone's making these boneheaded plays? Why hasn't anyone taken Travis and told him what the f*** he's doing wrong? Why is Edwin getting thrown out like a fish on the bases?

 

I love Gibbons, I really do. I never believed the notion that he's only a good manager when things are doing good, he usually helps uplift the team - or so I thought. Someone made this point in the GDT, he's real laid back and lets the team police themselves... but the players are all obviously lost and even Tulo's talk didn't do much for these guys. Gibbons needs to come out and put his foot down and straight up tell everyone next mental error could cost us the post season and will cost the player the next game immediately. There's no accountability I feel

[BigCecil]

So we have the oldest team in baseball. Everyone in the media loves to rave about that the oldness an advantage of experience... where the f*** is the experience when everyone's making these boneheaded plays? Why hasn't anyone taken Travis and told him what the f*** he's doing wrong? Why is Edwin getting thrown out like a fish on the bases?

 

I love Gibbons, I really do. I never believed the notion that he's only a good manager when things are doing good, he usually helps uplift the team - or so I thought. Someone made this point in the GDT, he's real laid back and lets the team police themselves... but the players are all obviously lost and even Tulo's talk didn't do much for these guys. Gibbons needs to come out and put his foot down and straight up tell everyone next mental error could cost us the post season and will cost the player the next game immediately. There's no accountability I feel

 

Travis one of the few guys producing, despite his bone headed base running 2 nights ago.

 

Vetrin presents is one of the most over rated value adds in baseball. A young Yankees team just swept our asses.

 

I'm finding it nauseating to listen to Buck and Tabby fap on about it while we get crushed in Sept.

[TorontonianJD]

Jeff Blair this morning saying he wouldn't be surprised if it comes out after the season that several Jays have to have surgery including JD, Martin, Tulo, Pillar (we already know about him) and a few others I can't remember. What's wrong with Tulo?

[RealAccountant]

Jeff Blair this morning saying he wouldn't be surprised if it comes out after the season that several Jays have to have surgery including JD, Martin, Tulo, Pillar (we already know about him) and a few others I can't remember. What's wrong with Tulo?

 

Everyone is playing hurt. This team is old and battered.

[Grant77]

So we have the oldest team in baseball. Everyone in the media loves to rave about that the oldness an advantage of experience... where the f*** is the experience when everyone's making these boneheaded plays? Why hasn't anyone taken Travis and told him what the f*** he's doing wrong? Why is Edwin getting thrown out like a fish on the bases?

 

I love Gibbons, I really do. I never believed the notion that he's only a good manager when things are doing good, he usually helps uplift the team - or so I thought. Someone made this point in the GDT, he's real laid back and lets the team police themselves... but the players are all obviously lost and even Tulo's talk didn't do much for these guys. Gibbons needs to come out and put his foot down and straight up tell everyone next mental error could cost us the post season and will cost the player the next game immediately. There's no accountability I feel

 

It's worth noting that we're an average age team with 3 40 year old pitchers that haven't been the problem during this slump.

[fatcowxlive]

It's worth noting that we're an average age team with 3 40 year old pitchers that haven't been the problem during this slump.

 

Our average batters are 30 years old and our average pitchers are 29. The age of the batters is still old

[Grant77]

Our average batters are 30 years old and our average pitchers are 29. The age of the batters is still old

 

I think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions when you say that our slump is age related. There's not enough evidence to support that. Donaldson is by far our biggest problem on the batting side of things and he's in his prime.

[Stangstag]

Jeff Blair this morning saying he wouldn't be surprised if it comes out after the season that several Jays have to have surgery including JD, Martin, Tulo, Pillar (we already know about him) and a few others I can't remember. What's wrong with Tulo?

 

Jeff Blair is really dumn.

[fatcowxlive]

I think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions when you say that our slump is age related. There's not enough evidence to support that. Donaldson is by far our biggest problem on the batting side of things and he's in his prime.

 

Well old people get banged up more and slow down a lot. I think a lot of it has to do with the growing age. Durability usually goes down as age climbs. Obviously Donaldson's an exception because he's playing through a leg injury since May and a recent hip injury.

 

But that's not even really my argument lol. What I meant to say with my original post is when people talk about an old group of players they usually say its good to have "experience" on your side. Where's this experience when we've seen so many blunders, why isn't the belt being tightened? This team looks like they're accepting the fact they're free-falling. Maybe there's a problem with leadership? Not enough leaders?

 

Or maybe there's a clubhouse issue? I don't know what exactly is the problem but it doesn't look like anyone wants to really win right now. You can see after strikeouts, very tame depressed looks going back to the dugout.