Blue Jays open to Cespedes-type deal for Bautista

[BigCecil]

I know most predict JB will eventually be a DH within a year but keep in mind how bad his shoulder was last season that lead to a pretty awful result. I think he's still a very capable defender and if the shoulder is 100% he's likely right around an average defender, probably 0 UZR/150 over the next couple years. That's an asset that doesn't come with EE's bat and has additional value. Of course I'm making that prediction up like a magician but it seems quite plausible to me that JBats is not a pure DH in 2017 and maybe even 2018.

 

Fair point on the OF value but if your hypotheses is correct how much premium do you put on a declining OF? I looked at the D numbers and his shoulder hurt him last year. I'm no expert but my eyes tell me he is declining. He was at times pretty brutal.

 

Of course, all this is conjecture anyway, because we really don't know what Edwin would take, and what the delta with Jose might be. In terms of who is a bigger risk I tend to go with Jose due to age (which is going to affect his OF play eventually)

[burlingtonbandit]

So...its a hunch? I stand by my view that there isn't a solid basis for your expectation. Could it happen? Sure. But you can say that about so many things in ball.

 

The probability that Edwin will remain an elite bat > than Jose (age) and when signing contracts with dollars that big, its a huge part of mgm risk assessment .

 

I gave my reasons...

 

Jose's elite walk and K numbers which haven't shown any decline yet, while Edwin's has.

 

- Jose's has the much better body and puts in a ton of work to remain in such great physical condition.

 

- Jose has the more positional flexibility/value

[jaysblue]

You might have to restructure Bautista's contract for 2016 as well if he were going to sign a 3 year extension for 2017, 2018 and 2019. I don't have a problem with 3/$75, so maybe do 4/$100 and have the contract kick in starting this season.

 

As for EE, he is 3 years younger and to be honest I'm not worried about his bat. For a power bat like he is, he hardly strikes out, makes a lot of contact and the power has been consistent over the last 4 years. He'll stick as the primary DH, so you shouldn't have to worry about significant injuries hopefully. If EE ages well and performs like David Ortiz has with Boston, I think we'll all take that. Bautista is going to have to DH or play 1B someday anyways from the sounds of it, so how much longer he stays an effective OF is another question (well we've seen his defensive value take a big hit over the last year or two).

[burlingtonbandit]

You might have to restructure Bautista's contract for 2016 as well if he were going to sign a 3 year extension for 2017, 2018 and 2019. I don't have a problem with 3/$75, so maybe do 4/$100 and have the contract kick in starting this season.

 

As for EE, he is 3 years younger and to be honest I'm not worried about his bat. For a power bat like he is, he hardly strikes out, makes a lot of contact and the power has been consistent over the last 4 years. He'll stick as the primary DH, so you shouldn't have to worry about significant injuries hopefully. If EE ages well and performs like David Ortiz has with Boston, I think we'll all take that. Bautista is going to have to DH or play 1B someday anyways from the sounds of it, so how much longer he stays an effective OF is another question (well we've seen his defensive value take a big hit over the last year or two).

 

I feel like Edwin always has a bunch of these nagging injuries he has to deal with through the season. He doesn't miss much time but he's had the torn quad, finger issue, a hernia and now he has an oblique issue all in the last 2 years. To me he is already wearing down so I'm not sure you want to extend him for any more than 3 years. While Bautista is 2 years older he seems to take care of his body a lot better so I'd be more comfortable betting on him.

[nextyear]

Personally I have no interest in watching any player who makes $30 million dollars a year; in my opinion it is the equivalent of watching someone eat a dozen donuts a day, it is simply the financial equivalent of gluttony. If Jose Bautista really wants $30 million a year for 5 years then I hope the Blue Jays will trade him ASAP.

 

The league minimum in 2016 is $507,500; I bet that 999 out of 1000 of the people on this forum would be extremely happy with that salary. Mainly for this reason, I like players like Goins, Colabello, Pillar, Osuna, and Sanchez who are good players who haven't been spoiled by extravagant salaries.

[Stangstag]

Personally I have no interest in watching any player who makes $30 million dollars a year; in my opinion it is the equivalent of watching someone eat a dozen donuts a day, it is simply the financial equivalent of gluttony. If Jose Bautista really wants $30 million a year for 5 years then I hope the Blue Jays will trade him ASAP.

 

The league minimum in 2016 is $507,500; I bet that 999 out of 1000 of the people on this forum would be extremely happy with that salary. Mainly for this reason, I like players like Goins, Colabello, Pillar, Osuna, and Sanchez who are good players who haven't been spoiled by extravagant salaries.

 

 

I nominate this post for dumbest post of 2016.

[nextyear]

I nominate this post for dumbest post of 2016.

 

Explain.

[BigCecil]

Personally I have no interest in watching any player who makes $30 million dollars a year; in my opinion it is the equivalent of watching someone eat a dozen donuts a day, it is simply the financial equivalent of gluttony. If Jose Bautista really wants $30 million a year for 5 years then I hope the Blue Jays will trade him ASAP.

 

The league minimum in 2016 is $507,500; I bet that 999 out of 1000 of the people on this forum would be extremely happy with that salary. Mainly for this reason, I like players like Goins, Colabello, Pillar, Osuna, and Sanchez who are good players who haven't been spoiled by extravagant salaries.

 

Sorry but I don't get this. What posters on the BJMB would accept has no relevance to elite athletic performers/entertainers who excel in a multi billion dollar international business.

 

Every player has the right to seek the maximum payment they can receive in that system. A lot of players get hurt or have their best years before they ever get to their FA year, and miss the opportunity to cash in. Its a business.

Edited March 20, 2016 by BigCecil

[Stangstag]

Explain.

 

 

Personally I have no interest in watching any player who makes $30 million dollars a year; in my opinion it is the equivalent of watching someone eat a dozen donuts a day, it is simply the financial equivalent of gluttony. If Jose Bautista really wants $30 million a year for 5 years then I hope the Blue Jays will trade him ASAP.

 

The league minimum in 2016 is $507,500; I bet that 999 out of 1000 of the people on this forum would be extremely happy with that salary. Mainly for this reason, I like players like Goins, Colabello, Pillar, Osuna, and Sanchez who are good players who haven't been spoiled by extravagant salaries.

 

 

Exhibit A

[nextyear]

Sorry but I don't get this. What posters on the BJMB would accept has no relevance to elite athletic performers/entertainers who excel in a multi billion dollar international business.

 

Every player has the right to seek the maximum payment they can receive in that system. A lot of players get hurt or have their best years before they ever get to their UFA year, and miss the opportunity to cash in. Its a business.

 

 

It appears that almost no one on this board is accepting $30 million a year for 5 years for Bautista. The fans seem to have spoken - Bautista can go elsewhere.

 

After the 1994 season, many fans just stopped watching baseball, and I was one of them; for many years I had almost zero interest in the MLB. I see no reason why Blue Jay fans should support Bautista's greed and it seems like they aren't - where is the overwhelming support for the Blue Jays to pay Bautista what he wants?

 

PS: Can anyone imagine Bautista doing something like this - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/p-k-subban-montreal-canadiens-children-s-hospital-1.3230086

[intrigid]

I nominate this post for dumbest post of 2016.

 

His man card should be invalidated for that post.

[Stangstag]

It appears that almost no one on this board is accepting $30 million a year for 5 years for Bautista. The fans seem to have spoken - Bautista can go elsewhere.

 

After the 1994 season, many fans just stopped watching baseball, and I was one of them; for many years I had almost zero interest in the MLB. I see no reason why Blue Jay fans should support Bautista's greed and it seems like they aren't - where is the overwhelming support for the Blue Jays to pay Bautista what he wants?

 

PS: Can anyone imagine Bautista doing something like this - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/p-k-subban-montreal-canadiens-children-s-hospital-1.3230086

 

Baaaaaaaaannnnndddwaaaaaagggon

[Stangstag]

And for the record, I don't want to sign Bautista. Anything more than 25 million per year for 4 years is a very bad idea.

[Atothe]

That was a very dumb post nextyear

[nextyear]

And for the record, I don't want to sign Bautista. Anything more than 25 million per year for 4 years is a very bad idea.

 

Many people expect Bautista to be poor defensively and on a decline offensively by the 4th and 5th year of a 5 year contract due to his age.

 

If Bautista really expects to be a top producer in 4 years time then he can show his confidence by signing a 3 year contract and then renew at a top amount in 3 years time.

 

I could see 3 years at $25 million a year, but even this seems like a ridiculous amount for someone whose primary talent is being able to hit a baseball.

[ValiantJaysFan]

It appears that almost no one on this board is accepting $30 million a year for 5 years for Bautista. The fans seem to have spoken - Bautista can go elsewhere.

 

After the 1994 season, many fans just stopped watching baseball, and I was one of them; for many years I had almost zero interest in the MLB. I see no reason why Blue Jay fans should support Bautista's greed and it seems like they aren't - where is the overwhelming support for the Blue Jays to pay Bautista what he wants?

 

PS: Can anyone imagine Bautista doing something like this - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/p-k-subban-montreal-canadiens-children-s-hospital-1.3230086

 

Out of interest, did you stop watching hockey after two lockouts?

[burlingtonbandit]

Many people expect Bautista to be poor defensively and on a decline offensively by the 4th and 5th year of a 5 year contract due to his age.

 

If Bautista really expects to be a top producer in 4 years time then he can show his confidence by signing a 3 year contract and then renew at a top amount in 3 years time.

 

I could see 3 years at $25 million a year, but even this seems like a ridiculous amount for someone whose primary talent is being able to hit a baseball.

 

That is like me telling you that you should work for 60k/year instead of the 80k/year you are worth and the market pays for someone with your qualifications. Then we will give you a raise in 3 years if you are still productive.

 

People in this world get paid more money for things that require a lot less talent, better get used to it.

[nextyear]

That is like me telling you that you should work for 60k/year instead of the 80k/year you are worth and the market pays for someone with your qualifications. Then we will give you a raise in 3 years if you are still productive.

 

People in this world get paid more money for things that require a lot less talent, better get used to it.

 

Have you ever had a job or are you living at home with your parents? Most people don't have contracts, once they stop being productive they get laid off. I know that once I stop being productive then I will be gone, and I accept that fact.

 

People in this world get paid more money for things that require a lot less talent, better get used to it.

 

This is incredibly stupid. Here is a list of average doctor salaries in the US - http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2F_Doctors/Salary. I would say that almost every doctor is more valuable than someone who has been given the gift of being able to hit a baseball. Here is a list of salaries for world leaders - http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/10/news/economy/world-leaders-salaries/, Barrack Obama made $400,000 in 2015; do you want me to believe that Bautista's gift for being able to hit a baseball is 50 - 100 times more valuable than the ability of world leaders to be able to lead a country?

[burlingtonbandit]

Have you ever had a job or are you living at home with your parents? Most people don't have contracts, once they stop being productive they get laid off. I know that once I stop being productive then I will be gone, and I accept that fact.

 

 

 

This is incredibly stupid. Here is a list of average doctor salaries in the US - http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2F_Doctors/Salary. I would say that almost every doctor is more valuable than someone who has been given the gift of being able to hit a baseball. Here is a list of salaries for world leaders - http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/10/news/economy/world-leaders-salaries/, Barrack Obama made $400,000 in 2015; do you want me to believe that Bautista's gift for being able to hit a baseball is 50 - 100 times more valuable than the ability of world leaders to be able to lead a country?

 

I know that is why its stupid to think someone will take less money than they are worth/deserve.

 

Judge Judy made $45 Million last year. Skipp Bayless makes $4-5 Million/year. There are tons of examples of people who get paid a ridiculous amount of money that you or I might think is insane. You know why they get paid that much money? Because millions of viewers watch them and their employers make a ton of money off them, much like baseball players. Don't bring up this BS comparing a president's salary to athletes.

[RealAccountant]

Out of interest, did you stop watching hockey after two lockouts?

 

I pretty much did. I didn't miss it that much before I would watch a lot of games and follow. After the strike I didn't really catch on. Leafs sucj too that's a factor

[nextyear]

I know that is why its stupid to think someone will take less money than they are worth/deserve.

 

Judge Judy made $45 Million last year. Skipp Bayless makes $4-5 Million/year. There are tons of examples of people who get paid a ridiculous amount of money that you or I might think is insane. You know why they get paid that much money? Because millions of viewers watch them and their employers make a ton of money off them, much like baseball players. Don't bring up this BS comparing a president's salary to athletes.

 

So you are arguing that Bautista is worth $30 million a year for 5 years since Judge Judy made $45 million last year?

[nextyear]

Out of interest, did you stop watching hockey after two lockouts?

 

Actually I had already lost interest in hockey by that time, and I didn't miss it at all. I mainly watch the Stanley Cup playoffs and semi-finals if the teams are interesting.

 

I think I just unintentionally paraphrased RealAccountant. The NHL has become boring; I think they need to do something to the sport, like maybe play 4 on 4 for the entire game.

[burlingtonbandit]

So you are arguing that Bautista is worth $30 million a year for 5 years since Judge Judy made $45 million last year?

 

No I'm saying many athletes and celebrities get paid lots of money because of the demand and type of industry they are in.

[nextyear]

No I'm saying many athletes and celebrities get paid lots of money because of the demand and type of industry they are in.

 

So you are arguing with me, but you agree that Bautista isn't worth $30 million a year for 5 years?

[burlingtonbandit]

So you are arguing with me, but you agree that Bautista isn't worth $30 million a year for 5 years?

 

I would agree he isn't worth quite that but he's worth a hell of a lot more than 3/75.

[nextyear]

Do you realize if the players don't get the money then the owners just keep it. Which would you rather have?

 

I would prefer that the club has flexibility with their payroll in 4 to 5 years to pay for producing players than to have it tied up in high priced, long term contracts that often hurt a team in the long run.

[Boxcar]

So you are arguing that Bautista is worth $30 million a year for 5 years since Judge Judy made $45 million last year?

 

Welcome to the concept of Western society.

[Boxcar]

I would prefer that the club has flexibility with their payroll in 4 to 5 years to pay for producing players than to have it tied up in high priced, long term contracts that often hurt a team in the long run.

 

So, the players then.

[Angrioter]

HEYMAN: BAUTISTA WOULD CONSIDER FOUR-YEAR, $120-MILLION DEAL

 

No thanks!!

[Rusty_Savage]

HEYMAN: BAUTISTA WOULD CONSIDER FOUR-YEAR, $120-MILLION DEAL

 

No thanks!!

 

Probably not, but 3/90 with an incentive laden 4 yr could be realistic