Jays trying to trade for Jay Bruce

[Terminator]

Why did the Jays even bring back Saunders if they have this little faith in him? Does this have something to do with Atkins not being in place when the decision to offer him arb was made? I'm perplexed by all of this.

 

It's not they they think Saunders is worthless, they were prepared to pay him 2.9 mil.

 

The perplexing part is that they think Bruce is an improvement. That said, I don't know Saunders medicals, idk what about Bruce they think is fixable, and I don't know how much money the Jays will get in this deal if it happens. To many moving parts to be upset about it right now.

[Laika]

I like Jay Bruce and I think his hat from yesterday is cool http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/69972428/v543939483/jay-bruce-arrives-at-camp-discusses-trade-rumors/?query=Jay%2BBruce

 

I also went to a Reds game in Cincinnati once and sat in his seats. So there's that.

[Angrioter]

lol Jay Bruce

[Abomination]

For the price of Bruce, I'd rather see about signing Austin Jackson for 2 or 3 years if they think Saunders knee is bad and Pompey isn't ready.

[Dick_Pole]

It would be nice if this turned out to be a grand master scheme a la Rasmus. We were all confused for a few minutes as to why the Jays acquired Edwin Jackson too.

[Laika]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v531281683/bruce-bashed-all-five-of-the-reds-longest-homers/?query=Jay%2BBruce

[Chowder888]

But seriously, it was pretty funny I made that thread and next day there are serious rumors on Jays getting Bruce. Dumb luck

[JosJos]

This fo is utter total s*** if they even consider Bruce for Saunders. Saunders is a better player and he's motivated and love the blue jays. If this deal happen it just confirm what I believe in the shap, utter clueless about baseball with no feels for the game.

[gbill2004]

But seriously, it was pretty funny I made that thread and next day there are serious rumors on Jays getting Bruce. Dumb luck

You have serious mental problems.

[KingKat]

Bruce is practically a lock for 140 games so he should keep at-bats away from the Junior Lakes of the world but other than that and the fact that he used to be good, there's not a lot to like. Presumably the Reds are covering the difference in salary between him and Saunders. I guess 140 games or so of Bruce is better than whatever wishful thinking projects for Saunders. It might be an effective move to bolster the outfield depth but it's not terribly exciting.

[burlingtonbandit]

Bruce is practically a lock for 140 games so he should keep at-bats away from the Junior Lakes of the world but other than that and the fact that he used to be good, there's not a lot to like. Presumably the Reds are covering the difference in salary between him and Saunders. I guess 140 games or so of Bruce is better than whatever wishful thinking projects for Saunders. It might be an effective move to bolster the outfield depth but it's not terribly exciting.

 

I'd rather just go with the better talent and have Pompey as insurance.

[Dick_Pole]

Bruce is practically a lock for 140 games so he should keep at-bats away from the Junior Lakes of the world but other than that and the fact that he used to be good, there's not a lot to like. Presumably the Reds are covering the difference in salary between him and Saunders. I guess 140 games or so of Bruce is better than whatever wishful thinking projects for Saunders. It might be an effective move to bolster the outfield depth but it's not terribly exciting.

 

I'd rather roll the dice on gifting Pompey 140 games than Bruce. At least with Pompey there's dice to roll. Bruce is pure snake eyes.

[Dylan]

Not interested in Bruce

[KingKat]

I'd rather just go with the better talent and have Pompey as insurance.

 

Well you still have Pompey anyways and they'll find at-bats for him.

[JosJos]

If this deal happens won't be the only of many bad deal to come. The s*** show with the shap is starting sooner than I thought.

[Slugger]

I'd rather just go with the better talent and have Pompey as insurance.

 

Yeah, but, muhn...what if we get 2010-2014 Jay Bruce?!

[Slugger]

If this deal happens won't be the only of many bad deal to come. The s*** show with the shap is starting sooner than I thought.

 

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Olerud363]

Of course recent seasons should mean more. Use your common sense, Olerud.

 

Well that is kind of rude. A lot of things are obvious but aren't true.

 

a) 2016=(2*2015+2014)/3

 

2016=(2015+2014+2*career averages)/4

 

c) 2016=career averages*aging factor

 

For a 29 year old, in good health, Which of the 3 projection systems has the lowest error in your opinion?

 

I would say for a 29 year old in good health it is c). However maybe Bruce isn't healthy.

[Angrioter]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v531281683/bruce-bashed-all-five-of-the-reds-longest-homers/?query=Jay%2BBruce

 

what about this ----> http://m.mlb.com/video/v19127709/chccin-francisco-launches-one-out-of-the-ballpark/?query=Juan+Francisco+cincinatti

[TRM]

Fingers crossed for a deadcat bounce, a la Nelson Cruz or Chris Davis?!

[JosJos]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

 

I'm just keeping it realistic. The shap doesn't have the understanding of analytical of the game. Jay Bruce will be a disaster.

[aselvana]

I don't get why someone would take Saunders. He's more valuable to your team than another team, but apparently not. Shapiro is pretty quick, realizing he might lose both Mexicans, he immediately acquires a power bat.

 

[–]zebra_heaDD 3 points 58 minutes ago

Shapiro is pretty quick. "Might lose both Latino men? Here's a 30 home-run hitter instantly."

 

....hmmmm i found you on reddit...tehehehehe

[Laika]

The book isn't quite closed on Jay Bruce, guys. His ISO and K% were both at career norms last year. His GB% was back to normal (was way up in 2014). His hard hit % was back to normal (was down in 2014).

 

It's entirely possible that he largely got BABIP'd last year (.251) and his true demonstrated talent equated to that of a comfortably above average hitter.

 

It's not like he's dead. Still only 28.

[glory]

If the Reds are picking up the difference, then I'm fine with it. I wasn't expecting s*** from Saunders on one knee, so if the Jays are paying Bruce the equivalent of $2.9m to see if his bat can be fixed, then so be it. If he fails, then decline the option for next year and move. If he bounces back, then you have a LF/DH/1B option for 2017.

 

But yeah, not looking forward to him playing LF.

[gbill2004]

The thought of acquiring Bruce is getting me very excited!

[Angrioter]

The book isn't quite closed on Jay Bruce, guys. His ISO and K% were both at career norms last year. His GB% was back to normal (was way up in 2014). His hard hit % was back to normal (was down in 2014).

 

It's entirely possible that he largely got BABIP'd last year (.251) and his true demonstrated talent equated to that of a comfortably above average hitter.

 

It's not like he's dead. Still only 28.

 

Lawrie is 26 and still suxx.

[Terminator]

The book isn't quite closed on Jay Bruce, guys. His ISO and K% were both at career norms last year. His GB% was back to normal (was way up in 2014). His hard hit % was back to normal (was down in 2014).

 

It's entirely possible that he largely got BABIP'd last year (.251) and his true demonstrated talent equated to that of a comfortably above average hitter.

 

It's not like he's dead. Still only 28.

 

Fangraphs' profile on him kind of mirrors your thoughts and explains it pretty well.

[Boxcar]

Can we throw in a little bit more and fulfill my wet dream by getting this handsome devil here instead?

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2014/11/02/images/mlbf_36888875_th_45.jpg

[JosJos]

The thought of acquiring Bruce is getting me very excited!

 

Please god no.

[GD]

The book isn't quite closed on Jay Bruce, guys. His ISO and K% were both at career norms last year. His GB% was back to normal (was way up in 2014). His hard hit % was back to normal (was down in 2014).

 

It's entirely possible that he largely got BABIP'd last year (.251) and his true demonstrated talent equated to that of a comfortably above average hitter.

 

It's not like he's dead. Still only 28.

 

Contact rate surged.