HOF Thread

[GD]

_actually over half used all ten spots last year.....

 

Over half = not enough

[wamco]

Ok....and they both were amazing for thier first 12 years....Griffey gets most votes of all time and Bagwell still isn't in. Stupid.

 

-one strongly suspected of roids while other didn't even lift until late in career. Guys, this stuff isn't that difficult

[Spanky99]

-one strongly suspected of roids while other didn't even lift until late in career. Guys, this stuff isn't that difficult

 

Let me guess, you don't think Delgado did roids either, amirite?

[Boxcar]

- still going with this lie I see. Nice

 

From the f***ing bbwaa website, dipshit:

The Hall of Fame now has 312 elected members, including 217 players, of which 121 have come through the BBWAA ballot. The average ballot in the 2016 election contained 7.95 names with 41.6 percent of the voters using all 10 slots.

 

Unless you're even dumber than I thought and don't know what the word "most" means.

[wamco]

Blame mlb tv for reporting it. Way up from the 2 _3 average votes of years ago. 8.4 last year

[wamco]

You are incorrect, he was on the leaked failed list

[wamco]

Yeah weird. There's already a witch hunt gathering for the two idiots who voted for David Eckstein. There was even a MLB.com article about a case for Eckstein and it was basically just a long joke.

 

And two people voted for a guy with no legitimate case for the hall of fame. They probably left off Bonds too.

 

Everyone should leave bonds out, he used ped.

[Boxcar]

Blame mlb tv for reporting it. Way up from the 2 _3 average votes of years ago. 8.4 last year

 

How about I blame you for calling me a liar when you're just clueless?

[Boxcar]

Everyone should leave bonds out, he used ped.

 

But Griffey didn't, right? You know this for sure

[wamco]

Then your hall of fame would have zero members, talk about clueless. Ask you this.. gun to your head and you have to get the answer right to live... did Griff use ped?

 

Did bonds?

 

I do love the complete lack of outrage regarding sheffields poor voting results

[wamco]

Post ur ballot by the way since you feel the voters are idiots

[Brownie19]

I love Edmonds but hof ability but not hof career.

 

I do love the complete lack of outrage regarding sheffields poor voting results

 

Can I ask why if you don't think Edmonds had a HOF career?

 

Edmonds - 64.5 WAR

Sheffield - 62.1 WAR

[Brownie19]

-one strongly suspected of roids while other didn't even lift until late in career. Guys, this stuff isn't that difficult

 

Well you're obviously a "use of PEDs or suspicions of PED use = no HOF"........my point was these two players both played 15 seasons, both put up about 80 career WAR and were both fantastic baseball players. One gets the most votes of all-time. The other still isn't in the HOF. This concept also isn't that difficult.

[G-Snarls]

Griffey Jr swing in slow motion. It's a thing of beauty

 

 

And HR derby with hat on backwards with swagga and the swing looks so effortless

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0kVN1L_jGE

[Spanky99]

Can I ask why if you don't think Edmonds had a HOF career?

 

Edmonds - 64.5 WAR

Sheffield - 62.1 WAR

 

Pffftttttt... War, what is it good for?!

[Brownie19]

Given all the injuries Griffey had later in his career, am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance JR dipped into the PED use (like so many others) to help speed up the recovery times? I don't necessarily understand how some people can be so firm on their suspicions of one player, but not another (enough to decide to vote for one but not the other).

[KingKat]

Given all the injuries Griffey had later in his career, am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance JR dipped into the PED use (like so many others) to help speed up the recovery times? I don't necessarily understand how some people can be so firm on their suspicions of one player, but not another (enough to decide to vote for one but not the other).

 

Or alternatively, his injuries could have been related to steroids: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/

 

FWIW, that's what I'd be more inclined to believe.

[RealAccountant]

^ He didn't have fast recovery times and he never came back even close to the player he was

 

Griffey was just good. If Sosa and that piece of Garbage McGwire didn't ruin the home run records EE would be talking about Griffeys back to back 56 home runs and how close he was

[wamco]

Can I ask why if you don't think Edmonds had a HOF career?

 

Edmonds - 64.5 WAR

Sheffield - 62.1 WAR

 

 

Because I think over time he may have been more appreciated and possibly gotten in. What more do you really want from a guy if you think about it. GG CF defense and 903 OPS. For comparison Mccutch is 884 career ops right now.

[wamco]

and sheff used the clear, the cream (unknowingly of course) and threw balls away on purpose

[Atothe]

Wamco said gun to your head, did Griffey do peds. We don't know for sure, we hope not

[Krylian]

You are incorrect, he was on the leaked failed list

 

And how many guys are on failed lists that didn't get leaked and we think are the greatest.

[Boxcar]

Then your hall of fame would have zero members, talk about clueless. Ask you this.. gun to your head and you have to get the answer right to live... did Griff use ped?

 

Did bonds?

 

I do love the complete lack of outrage regarding sheffields poor voting results

 

Gun to my head, I'd say both did because that would be the safest bet.

 

Oh yeah, and I guess my whole point about how the bbwaa is full of retards and the need for change went right over your pea sized brain, eh?

[Boxcar]

Ken Griffey Jr.

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Mike Mussina

Jim Edmonds

 

Really hard to pick just ten...which is so perplexing since fewer than half of the voters did so.

[Atothe]

Ken Griffey Jr.

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Mike Mussina

Jim Edmonds

 

Really hard to pick just ten...which is so perplexing since fewer than half of the voters did so.

 

Vendettas and holier than thou attitudes

[Nafro]

Tim Raines

Ken Griffery Jr.

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Curt Schilling

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Edgar Martinez

Lee Smith

Trevor Hoffman

[Brownie19]

Ken Griffey Jr.

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Mike Mussina

Jim Edmonds

 

Really hard to pick just ten...which is so perplexing since fewer than half of the voters did so.

 

I think this would also be my list....although I would cheat and add Larry Walker too. It's kinda funny - I wanted to kick Piazza off the list until I realised he actually graded out as a solid defensive catcher (which I never would have guessed - anyone know if he was a good framer???)

 

How on earth does Mussina not get in? 270 wins, 82.2 WAR pitching through the heart of the steroid era? He was unreal and retired coming off a 20-9, 4.6 WAR season......was there a reason for that? I kinda forget.

[wamco]

Gun to my head, I'd say both did because that would be the safest bet.

 

Oh yeah, and I guess my whole point about how the bbwaa is full of retards and the need for change went right over your pea sized brain, eh?

 

Really brilliant intellectuals typically don't use the term retards btw. It makes you sound like you didn't go to college, or at least a 4 year college and I'd like to think you are better than that. Really not hard to get under 10 this year for me:

 

Griffey

bagwell

McGriff

mussina

schilling

piazza

raines

hoffman

[L54]

What's wrong with a four year college? What's wrong with not going to college?

[Brownie19]

Really brilliant intellectuals typically don't use the term retards btw. It makes you sound like you didn't go to college, or at least a 4 year college and I'd like to think you are better than that. Really not hard to get under 10 this year for me:

 

Griffey

bagwell

McGriff

mussina

schilling

piazza

raines

hoffman

 

I'll bite, ignore Bonds/Clemens and ask:

 

1. How do you put McGriff on, but not Walker or Edmonds?

2. How do you put Hoffman on there, but not Billy Wagner?