JA Happ Signing: Good/Bad?

[SAAviour]

I used to do this with AA, rate the move now so you can't second guess it in August or September with hind sight. If you were GM, would you sign Happ for 3 years at 36 million? Good or bad signing?

 

For the first 10 seconds after reading the news I was like WTF! Then realized for 12 mil this is a great depth signing, with upside, and no draft pick lost. 3/36 looks a lot better then say a dream 5/130-150 Price signing if he were to give us a discount. 7 years is just scary.

 

I vote good move and so far am on the Shapiro train.

[Trouba95]

Good signing should we ink a #2 to go with Stro (this obviously involves unloading Dickey/Revere).

[dineke]

Good signing should we ink a #2 to go with Stro (this obviously involves unloading Dickey/Revere).

 

don't bet on it

[King]

Good sign

[Trouba95]

don't bet on it

 

Then we better upgrade our pen big time.

[BTS]

Voted good. They'll probably end up paying around $7M per win, but it's at their biggest area of need and they're giving up nothing but money. There's also an outside chance that Searage really helped him this year.

[vilifyingforce]

I used to do this with AA, rate the move now so you can't second guess it in August or September with hind sight. If you were GM, would you sign Happ for 3 years at 36 million? Good or bad signing?

 

For the first 10 seconds after reading the news I was like WTF! Then realized for 12 mil this is a great depth signing, with upside, and no draft pick lost. 3/36 looks a lot better then say a dream 5/130-150 Price signing if he were to give us a discount. 7 years is just scary.

 

I vote good move and so far am on the Shapiro train.

 

I want a neutral option. Deal has upside and some risk. Meh

[Grant77]

I used to do this with AA, rate the move now so you can't second guess it in August or September with hind sight. If you were GM, would you sign Happ for 3 years at 36 million? Good or bad signing?

 

For the first 10 seconds after reading the news I was like WTF! Then realized for 12 mil this is a great depth signing, with upside, and no draft pick lost. 3/36 looks a lot better then say a dream 5/130-150 Price signing if he were to give us a discount. 7 years is just scary.

 

I vote good move and so far am on the Shapiro train.

 

I guess it's good, but I'd vote neutral if given the choice. I think Happ will give us value on 3/36, but there are other pitchers that I would have pursued first. I'll give Shapiro the benefit of the doubt for now and assume that checked in on these other guys and got a pretty firm 'no'.

[nonamejays]

In of itself, it is an okay signing. Neither a great signing, nor a poor one.

 

In context of where the rotation stands and what the teams needs, it's a steaming pile of meh.

 

Another 4/5 guy to go along with the other 3 4/5 guys the Jays have (I'm assuming regression from both Happ and Estrada unless they have magically become awesome later in their careers, which seldom happens)

[GreekFatAss]

We acquired a major league starting pitcher without trading a ton of prospects or locking ourselves up for 7 years. Its a good move.

[GD]

Voted good. They'll probably end up paying around $7M per win, but it's at their biggest area of need and they're giving up nothing but money. There's also an outside chance that Searage really helped him this year.

 

That's also $3m better than you'd pay for market value at this point.

[TheHurl]

Can we have a "meh" or "defensible" option. Got to go good because it's more good than bad

[bronson44]

Voted good but disappointed we had to pay more than he was projected to get. Curious to see what Kazmir gets.

[King]

The other thread is full of people who hate the signing but the votes here are Good-13 Bad-0

[thatoneguy]

In of itself, it is an okay signing. Neither a great signing, nor a poor one.

 

In context of where the rotation stands and what the teams needs, it's a steaming pile of meh.

 

Another 4/5 guy to go along with the other 3 4/5 guys the Jays have (I'm assuming regression from both Happ and Estrada unless they have magically become awesome later in their careers, which seldom happens)

 

And yet you voted "good". You were beside yourself in the other thread.

[RealAccountant]

Horrible. Happ is not good at pitching. Team needs a no1 starter

[spittin]

There, I voted bad. I don't like the timing of this, pretty much jumped the gun here and set the market for everyone else. Shapiro seems eager to play GM again.

[THANOS]

If some of that Pittsburgh advice sticks with him, then I love this, if he regresses to the mean, I'm meh on it. Overall it's a good move.

[spittin]

I understand these types of signings are necessary because of the condition previous management left the pitching in. It would be really nice to be able to spend more on better pitchers and round out the rotation with Deaclafani Arb. types, but nooooooo.

[HERPDERP]

33 years old and heading back to a hitting league.

 

Bad

[GD]

33 years old and heading back to a hitting league.

 

Bad

 

Glad we still think a player's league affects his value

[glory]

I think it's a solid deal, so if the options are good or bad, then I'll go with good.

 

Nothing spectacular about it, but years and AAV is fine with me. No picks or prospects involved = good.

[Jonn]

Not a fan of it personally but I was expecting a bigger move. He might prove valuable I have never been the fan of paying for bottom of the rotation starters. I'm throughly disappointed but will see what else happens.

[admin]

Wonder how many extra millions he made with his performance after the trade deadline.

[RealAccountant]

Glad we still think a player's league affects his value

 

No ofcourse not

 

Facing a DH like Edwin Encarnacion or David Ortiz is the same thing as facing a pitcher that can barely hold the bat

 

Sigh.

[Jonn]

Glad we still think a player's league affects his value

 

Plus hes bald.

[BTS]

No ofcourse not

 

Facing a DH like Edwin Encarnacion or David Ortiz is the same thing as facing a pitcher that can barely hold the bat

 

Sigh.

 

You are a very stupid person.

[Jonn]

Wonder how many extra millions he made with his performance after the trade deadline.

 

More than Estrada apparently. Shapiro tenure off to an interesting start. He values depth though and if that means I don't have to see the likes of Brad Mills and Scott Copeland start again I'm for it.

[thatoneguy]

Not a fan of it personally but I was expecting a bigger move. He might prove valuable I have never been the fan of paying for bottom of the rotation starters. I'm throughly disappointed but will see what else happens.

 

#wegotraped

[Farm]

I'll take free agency over trades any day of the week. A 3 year contract won't kill anybody, and could even be a good trade chip in the future. Not much downside here for only 10 million this year. I don't expect us to be crazy competitive in 2017 or 2018 anyways.

 

The upside is that he helps us win this year and becomes a valuable trade chip going into the offseason in an important win-now year, and the downside (besides injury) is 1.0 WAR for 10 million (1.0 WAR in 2013 and 2014 in bad years), and then having a decent chance to bounce back in 2017 in a year where we won't be as competitive.

 

If this was the best pitcher we could sign for this amount of dollars (which I would assume is the case, I doubt the Jays management chose signing the worse player), then this is definitely a good move. Sometimes as fans we just have to accept that we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. The type of contract makes sense and this is the type of player we should be targeting anyways.