Dan Shulman joining Jays broadcast crew next year!

[intrigid]

Oversupply of teachers? No, more like an underfunding towards education to a lack of actual positions. When I worked in my community placement, it wasn't uncommon to see class sizes over 30 students. Forget that teachers have to teach split classes, that's f***ing ridiculous. All actual research shows that students do best with practical, unsplit classes under 20 students.

Underfunded my ass. Education has never had more money thrown at it than it does today. The problem is that very little of this massive over-funding translates to actual learning because of the gigantic parasite that public education has become. Far too much money spent on sweetheart pension deals, useless administration, and exorbitant field trips and summer camps that have virtually no educational value.

 

Public education is a failed experiment, simple as that. The only solution at this point is to blow up the whole system and start over from scratch. A complete de-funding of all education and a return of taxes to families to spend as they see fit. Only then will education improve or become cheaper. Unfortunately none of this will happen until a massive sovereign debt crisis ala Greece hits us.

[Cyborg]

I experienced similar things to Grant. I still can't study properly after 3 years in university. Find it really hard. Never had to study all through public school.

[Grant77]

Underfunded my ass. Education has never had more money thrown at it than it does today. The problem is that very little of this massive over-funding translates to actual learning because of the gigantic parasite that public education has become. Far too much money spent on sweetheart pension deals, useless administration, and exorbitant field trips and summer camps that have virtually no educational value.

 

Public education is a failed experiment, simple as that. The only solution at this point is to blow up the whole system and start over from scratch. A complete de-funding of all education and a return of taxes to families to spend as they see fit. Only then will education improve or become cheaper. Unfortunately none of this will happen until a massive sovereign debt crisis ala Greece hits us.

 

According to this index, we have better education than countries with very privatized systems like Sweden and Finland, so that's certainly not a fix-all solution. Of course, the study also has the U.S. way ahead of us, which obviously isn't right, so it could be complete B.S.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

[intrigid]

According to this index, we have better education than countries with very privatized systems like Sweden and Finland, so that's certainly not a fix-all solution. Of course, the study also has the U.S. way ahead of us, which obviously isn't right, so it could be complete B.S.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

 

Lol "education index". I wonder who gets paid to come up with these indexes and by whom. The US where in Burger King they have pictures on cash registers instead of words because most of their employees can't read. You're darn right it's complete BS. And as for scandanavia having "very privatized" education, lol. Just lol. That's like saying USA has "very privatized" healthcare, which it most certainly does not.

[Spanky99]

Lol "education index". I wonder who gets paid to come up with these indexes and by whom. The US where in Burger King they have pictures on cash registers instead of words because most of their employees can't read. You're darn right it's complete BS.

 

lol

[Captain Adama]

Underfunded my ass. Education has never had more money thrown at it than it does today. The problem is that very little of this massive over-funding translates to actual learning because of the gigantic parasite that public education has become. Far too much money spent on sweetheart pension deals, useless administration, and exorbitant field trips and summer camps that have virtually no educational value.

 

Public education is a failed experiment, simple as that. The only solution at this point is to blow up the whole system and start over from scratch. A complete de-funding of all education and a return of taxes to families to spend as they see fit. Only then will education improve or become cheaper. Unfortunately none of this will happen until a massive sovereign debt crisis ala Greece hits us.

 

Yeah....lol...f*** that.

[Grant77]

Lol "education index". I wonder who gets paid to come up with these indexes and by whom. The US where in Burger King they have pictures on cash registers instead of words because most of their employees can't read. You're darn right it's complete BS. And as for scandanavia having "very privatized" education, lol. Just lol. That's like saying USA has "very privatized" healthcare, which it most certainly does not.

 

I once read that 2/3 of prison inmates in the U.S. can't read. That might not be completely true, but they are just bad people right? Education had nothing to do with it.

[Captain Adama]

According to this index, we have better education than countries with very privatized systems like Sweden and Finland, so that's certainly not a fix-all solution. Of course, the study also has the U.S. way ahead of us, which obviously isn't right, so it could be complete B.S.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

 

I don't like this one because it measure projected years of schooling. Go by the OECD's report from this year that actually measures literacy rates.

 

Surprise surprise, all the countries in the Top 10 have significantly publicly funded education.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32608772

[Grant77]

Not to hate on the U.S. too much, but some of these numbers are astonishing.

 

http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx

 

23% of people in California would be incapable of participating in this conversation.

41% in Imperial County, California

33% in Los Angeles

52% in Miami (how is that even possible?)

41% in the Bronx (lol Yankees)

46% in Queens

65% in Starr County, Texas

 

Anyone think this is legit?

[Molitor]

Oversupply of teachers? No, more like an underfunding towards education to a lack of actual positions. When I worked in my community placement, it wasn't uncommon to see class sizes over 30 students. Forget that teachers have to teach split classes, that's f***ing ridiculous. All actual research shows that students do best with practical, unsplit classes under 20 students.

 

Worrying about class sizes and simultaneously ignoring that the unions are plundering and pillaging the US and Canadian systems is kind of similar to if the Jays in 2012 were to focus all their efforts on upgrading Rasmus in CF rather than the problems everywhere else. Sure, maybe you find an upgrade over a 1.8 WAR CF (at great cost) and it will help, but you really need to focus on other problems when you're rocking guys like JP Arencibia, Kelly Johnson, Ricky Romero, and Aaron Laffey.

[Spanky99]

Why y'all disrespecting Dan Shulman!

[GD]

Average starting salaries in BC for teachers is $42,000 and average top of scale starting salaries is $72,000. They are all paid a yearly salary, so are paid for their numerous weeks off. An average teacher salary in bc after ten years is $90,000 plus. In alberta it is $100,000.

 

I think this is a lot lower in Ontario, but could be wrong.

 

I'm only kidding around, I know what you mean though. Its important to get challenged, that's why they came out with IB programs. But it's tough to find the line where kids are challenged and they get motivated, or discouraged.

 

IB is absolutely f***ed. I feel so bad for the kids that are put in those.

 

I experienced similar things to Grant. I still can't study properly after 3 years in university. Find it really hard. Never had to study all through public school.

 

I have no idea how to study lol

[admin]

There was an article on teachers salary a month or two ago for each province. I think most were around $70k+ after being there for a while. Summers off, spring break, Christmas? Off at 3:30? Hour lunch? Sign me up. That being said $70k here in Manitoba is like making over $100k in Toronto.

[Cyborg]

Teaching is not 9-5 though. Lots of extra time doing prep work and marking etc.

[Brownie19]

Oversupply of teachers? No, more like an underfunding towards education to a lack of actual positions. When I worked in my community placement, it wasn't uncommon to see class sizes over 30 students. Forget that teachers have to teach split classes, that's f***ing ridiculous. All actual research shows that students do best with practical, unsplit classes under 20 students.

 

This is because they pay the teachers too much. In Ontario they are the 2nd highest paid teachers in North America. Teachers love to complain that they work 65 hours a week and how with 30 kids in a class it's so stressful and bad for the kids...solution is simple. Cut their pay way back, us that money to hire more teachers, which will cut class sizes, help the kids and reduce the stress/hours on the teachers.

 

Try suggesting that logical solution to a teacher (the ones who say they are fighting 'for the children') and watch them squirm...

[Brownie19]

Teaching is not 9-5 though. Lots of extra time doing prep work and marking etc.

 

Class starts at 9 and ends at 3:30...so they have 2.0 hrs a day for that stuff before they even put in a full day.

[GD]

Class starts at 9 and ends at 3:30...so they have 2.0 hrs a day for that stuff before they even put in a full day.

 

2 hours isn't much for prep work and marking.

[Brownie19]

2 hours isn't much for prep work and marking.

 

Wasn't saying that would cover it...just saying they all complain about it like it's all done at home after hours when the first 2 hours of it simply catches them up to those who work a basic work shift

[Deadpool]

Class starts at 9 and ends at 3:30...so they have 2.0 hrs a day for that stuff before they even put in a full day.

 

Yeah, find me a teacher than isn't working at least 4 hours at home every night and I'll find you a teacher that doesn't last more than a year....

[KingKat]

Yeah, find me a teacher than isn't working at least 4 hours at home every night and I'll find you a teacher that doesn't last more than a year....

 

Wouldn't that just be in the early years though? After awhile, you would get your s*** down wouldn't you and have less new material to develop? (I haven't really followed the overall argument but I thought I'd make that small point).

[Krylian]

Teaching is not 9-5 though. Lots of extra time doing prep work and marking etc.

 

A lot of us have to take work home with us. Not only teachers.

[Deadpool]

Underfunded my ass. Education has never had more money thrown at it than it does today. The problem is that very little of this massive over-funding translates to actual learning because of the gigantic parasite that public education has become. Far too much money spent on sweetheart pension deals, useless administration, and exorbitant field trips and summer camps that have virtually no educational value.

 

Public education is a failed experiment, simple as that. The only solution at this point is to blow up the whole system and start over from scratch. A complete de-funding of all education and a return of taxes to families to spend as they see fit. Only then will education improve or become cheaper. Unfortunately none of this will happen until a massive sovereign debt crisis ala Greece hits us.

 

Public Education is literally the best thing that society can do to improve itself. Sorry, but... Wow, just.. Just an awful post.

[Deadpool]

There was an article on teachers salary a month or two ago for each province. I think most were around $70k+ after being there for a while. Summers off, spring break, Christmas? Off at 3:30? Hour lunch? Sign me up. That being said $70k here in Manitoba is like making over $100k in Toronto.

 

Go ahead and become a teacher. Tell me how awesome your job is after a few years of actually being a teacher, even with the reasonable (but not amazing) salary and the exceptional vacation days. People that try to get into the field for that end up failing out of the field. It's tough work, but people who excel at it deserve it.

 

Also, teachers deserve our respect, not our derision. They train EVERYONE. Anyone who has ever done anything worthwhile in society has had dozens of teachers, so they shouldn't be disparaged.

[Deadpool]

This is because they pay the teachers too much. In Ontario they are the 2nd highest paid teachers in North America. Teachers love to complain that they work 65 hours a week and how with 30 kids in a class it's so stressful and bad for the kids...solution is simple. Cut their pay way back, us that money to hire more teachers, which will cut class sizes, help the kids and reduce the stress/hours on the teachers.

 

Try suggesting that logical solution to a teacher (the ones who say they are fighting 'for the children') and watch them squirm...

 

In what universe is this even remotely a logical solution?

[Deadpool]

Wouldn't that just be in the early years though? After awhile, you would get your s*** down wouldn't you and have less new material to develop? (I haven't really followed the overall argument but I thought I'd make that small point).

 

Man, they work on upgrading things every time they have the chance. My mom was a teacher before she retired, and I can tell you that she was working all the time when she was off (evenings, weekends, summers etc...) to improve her offerings to her students. There isn't an "end game" for teachers. They are always working and always trying to improve (obviously, there are the minority that are shitboxes, but they're the minority and they can lick my taint...)

[GD]

I have so much respect for the teachers I've had in my life. Trust me, you guys have no idea what kind of s*** these people deal with, lol.

 

Kids these days!

[Grant77]

Yeah, find me a teacher than isn't working at least 4 hours at home every night and I'll find you a teacher that doesn't last more than a year....

 

My favourite teacher in grade school didn't put in any time at home. He lectured off the top of his head and marked assignments as we worked. His history and science lectures were especially captivating. I wish more teachers had the intellectual capacity to do that instead of the curriculum regurgitation that we've all had to suffer through. It was just an illusion in most cases, but I could never learn from teachers that I thought I was smarter than.

[Spanky99]

Yeah, find me a teacher than isn't working at least 4 hours at home every night and I'll find you a teacher that doesn't last more than a year....

 

Sheeeeeeeit... my teachers used to do that. Catholic School, loved it.

[crazy47larry]

u guys are my teachers

[Brownie19]

In what universe is this even remotely a logical solution?

 

Care to elaborate? Teachers always complain about all the "free time" they put in (like they don't under how salary payment works) - hire more of them, have smaller classes (which benefits the kids), this will reduce their free time - and cut their salaries to pay for the extra teachers/support.