Who called off Goins?

[AdamLindsMom]

Sure this play wasn't his faultbut what about his awesome throw to home ... Of course none of the Rogers's ass sniffers ask him about thAt even though it's like his 4th defensive F up of the playoffs

[thatoneguy]

Can't go wrong with Madison Ivy.

[admin]

I don't think that interview was that bad. Obviously he's f***ing pissed they just blew the game. It wasn't solely on that play but obviously it started it all.

This is 100% on Goins, and if I was Jose, I'm not going to throw him under the bus, but there's no f***ing way I'm taking any responsibility for it, and that's exactly what he's doing. Mind you I'm a douche too, so that could be why I don't think what he said was that bad lol. Jose did nothing wrong, so what do you expect him to say? "Okay Goins you got it!". It was Goins inexperience and probably nerves that made him think he heard Jose call him off. Seriously, you can't tell the difference between someone saying "I got it" from someone ten feet away and 100 fans all saying it 100' away, there's something wrong.

 

Too many other chances the Jays f***ed up. Bases loaded one out, no runs. Back to back doubles to lead off the inning and I believe they only got the one run out of it. 3 runs off Ventura.

 

I still think we'll be okay. We should take these next two games and back to square one. I earlier said we should have no problems with KC, looks like I was wrong.

[500LevelSTH]

Bautista didnt throw Goins under any bus....he never once blamed Goins or a fan. Goins took the blame, but wouldnt fully admit it was a fan, Goins was confused on the play. End of story. Can we move on and not make more out of this? All im reading here is speculation...people want to hear Jose throwing Goins under bus, he didny. There is no rift, this is no Bartman play. Move on.

[Krylian]

The man in white

[Laika]

There are very few other star players and team leaders in baseball that would handle that post-game interview in that way. It was extremely odd.

 

Yes, he was getting asked stupid questions and he didn't really want to talk about it. Still weird for him to just say, "there's video... I think there's video... there was no confusion...I had a chance to make the play but someone called me off." Most players would say something like, "I thought I had a chance, but Goins called me off. I'm not sure if the crowd distracted him or what exactly happened. It was an uncharacteristic mistake by Ryan, who has been such a good defensive player for us. With the way David was pitching we still weren't concerned, but unfortunately that seemed like the spark they needed to get going. But we've been in this situation before, down 2 games to none, and we're still confident heading back to Toronto."

 

Blah blah

 

Ride the high on Wednesday and bat flip like nobody else. Ride the bad vibes on Saturday and handle a post-game interview like few others.

 

The Best and Worst of Jose Bautista.

[fatcowxlive]

I don't think that interview was that bad. Obviously he's f***ing pissed they just blew the game. It wasn't solely on that play but obviously it started it all.

This is 100% on Goins, and if I was Jose, I'm not going to throw him under the bus, but there's no f***ing way I'm taking any responsibility for it, and that's exactly what he's doing. Mind you I'm a douche too, so that could be why I don't think what he said was that bad lol. Jose did nothing wrong, so what do you expect him to say? "Okay Goins you got it!". It was Goins inexperience and probably nerves that made him think he heard Jose call him off. Seriously, you can't tell the difference between someone saying "I got it" from someone ten feet away and 100 fans all saying it 100' away, there's something wrong.

 

Too many other chances the Jays f***ed up. Bases loaded one out, no runs. Back to back doubles to lead off the inning and I believe they only got the one run out of it. 3 runs off Ventura.

 

I still think we'll be okay. We should take these next two games and back to square one. I earlier said we should have no problems with KC, looks like I was wrong.

 

Yeah I'm confused as to why Bautista should "take one for the team" in this situation. It's not his fault. He said it wasn't a communication issue, aka I got called off and so I didn't go for it. Goins literally said in his post game interview that he thought he heard someone call him off, you see the tape and Bautista clearly didn't say anything nor wave or anything. Even after he play Goins asks Bautista something (probably, "weren't you calling me off at the end?") and he responded by shaking his head. I think it's easy to infer that someone in the stands tricked Goins and that's the end of it. Accidents happen. Goins shouldn't be blamed fully for that inning, if a runner gets on it doesn't mean you can give up 5 runs as a result of it. Actually if anything Goins cutting infront of Tulo on the ground ball that prevented the double play from happening was worse than that popup mistake.

[Laika]

Yeah I'm confused as to why Bautista should "take one for the team" in this situation. It's not his fault.

 

Most of the time in professional sports, teammates stick up for each other. Jose Bautista was given multiple opportunities throw Goins a bone or stick up for him a little bit, and he stubbornly refused.

[fatcowxlive]

Most of the time in professional sports, teammates stick up for each other. Jose Bautista was given multiple opportunities throw Goins a bone or stick up for him a little bit, and he stubbornly refused.

 

That is true. He should have done better to clear Goins name from that situation, like maybe "accidents happen and you move on" or something general like that to try and make the Goins play much less of a topic than it is (they were swarming the both of them with questions about that play like thats the main reason we gave up 5 runs). But again he can't be straight up with the media and tell them the crowd called him off. Then you'd here the entire ballpark yelling "I got it" on every flyout which makes communication even harder.

[TheHurl]

Most of the time in professional sports, teammates stick up for each other. Jose Bautista was given multiple opportunities throw Goins a bone or stick up for him a little bit, and he stubbornly refused.

 

He doesn't say his name throughout the interview. Even this whole "challenge" to the fans or media on Twitter. Just do your usual and blame everything on being a fiery Latino, drink a Booster Juice and move on.

[Streetor]

[nextyear]

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that is a good one Streetor:

 

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[nextyear]

I am still peeved at Goins. Why did he literally sit down on the play like a 12 year old kid? If he had of just stopped then he might of still had time to catch the ball once he saw that Bautista had stopped.

 

I am a bit less of a Goins fan today. That was a real bone-head play but at least he took the blame for it.

[EMK19]

I'm starting to think that Pillar/Tulo incident has made all the fielders very apprehensive about taking charge/full committment on those in-between flies (except for Pillar himself who still doesn't give a damn and goes after everything). I can recall couple instances after that incident where we've had dodgy moments in those kind of situations.

[nextyear]

I don't think that interview was that bad. Obviously he's f***ing pissed they just blew the game. It wasn't solely on that play but obviously it started it all.

This is 100% on Goins, and if I was Jose, I'm not going to throw him under the bus, but there's no f***ing way I'm taking any responsibility for it, and that's exactly what he's doing. Mind you I'm a douche too, so that could be why I don't think what he said was that bad lol. Jose did nothing wrong, so what do you expect him to say? "Okay Goins you got it!". It was Goins inexperience and probably nerves that made him think he heard Jose call him off. Seriously, you can't tell the difference between someone saying "I got it" from someone ten feet away and 100 fans all saying it 100' away, there's something wrong.

 

Too many other chances the Jays f***ed up. Bases loaded one out, no runs. Back to back doubles to lead off the inning and I believe they only got the one run out of it. 3 runs off Ventura.

 

I still think we'll be okay. We should take these next two games and back to square one. I earlier said we should have no problems with KC, looks like I was wrong.

 

 

I think the Blue Jays have a good chance of winning 2 of 3 at the Rogers Centre, where they can swing for the fences and actually get home runs. I am far less optimistic that they can win 2 games in Kansas City, where it is more difficult to hit home runs, since the Blue Jays aren't accustomed to cutting down on their swings to string together a few hits.

 

However, I will look forward to the 1st game in Toronto and all the other games until they are eliminated or make it to the World Series.

 

Goins is with the Blue Jays because of his glove, whenever Goins misses a play like he did yesterday, it makes it much easier for the Blue Jays to justify sending him down to AAA or keeping him on the bench in the majors in 2016. Goins is very much like Darwin Barney, he has a very short leash and can't afford to make costly mistakes. I even wonder if we will see Pennington take Goins place at 2nd base in game 3.

[EMK19]

I think the Blue Jays have a good chance of winning 2 of 3 at the Rogers Centre, where they can swing for the fences and actually get home runs. I am far less optimistic that they can win 2 games in Kansas City where it is more difficult to hit home runs and the Blue Jays aren't accustomed to cutting down on their swings to string together a few hits.

 

I don't think playing in Kansas City is the reason that we couldn't hit HR's, it's more so with us not being able to square up on the ball enough vs. their pitchers enough the past two games. When our guys hit a homer it's usually a no doubter anyway, I personally don't think it has meaningful difference overall versus Rogers Centre over a short span, especially when the roof is closed here. I mean, how many HR's did we exactly miss out on the first two games due to the stadium factor anyway? Maybe the Donaldson fly ball to center and that's about it (and even that probably wouldn't have cleared the fence at RC; it may have hit the wall at best).

 

I do get your point about the overall approach though. I think that needs to happen regardless of where we're playing.

[nextyear]

I'm starting to think that Pillar/Tulo incident has made all the fielders very apprehensive about taking charge/full committment on those in-between flies (except for Pillar himself who still doesn't give a damn and goes after everything). I can recall couple instances after that incident where we've had dodgy moments in those kind of situations.

 

I believe you are right. On top of that is the fact that Goins is less assertive than Pillar and doesn't want to aggressively take charge with an All Star veteran like Bautista.

[nextyear]

I don't think playing in Kansas City is the reason that we couldn't hit HR's, it's more so with us not being able to square up on the ball enough vs. their pitchers enough the past two games. When our guys hit a homer it's usually a no doubter anyway, I personally don't think it has meaningful difference overall versus Rogers Centre over a short span, especially when the roof is closed here. I mean, how many HR's did we exactly miss out on the first two games due to the stadium factor anyway? Maybe the Donaldson fly ball to center and that's about it (and even that probably wouldn't have cleared the fence at RC; it may have hit the wall at best).

 

I do get your point about the overall approach though. I think that needs to happen regardless of where we're playing.

 

The cool weather has an effect on how far the ball travels. If it were the summer and hot in Kansas City then I would agree with you.

 

I really think the Blue Jays will have trouble hitting home runs in the cool Kansas City weather.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm starting to think that Pillar/Tulo incident has made all the fielders very apprehensive about taking charge/full committment on those in-between flies (except for Pillar himself who still doesn't give a damn and goes after everything). I can recall couple instances after that incident where we've had dodgy moments in those kind of situations.

 

+1 have noticed the same

[Pulk_Pull]

Bautista is a dick. While the bat throw was nice and all, I've always disliked Bautista's antics more than I have agreed with them. Primarily around showing up umps, whether he is wrong or right. There's showing emotion, then there is understanding that every player's squeezed sometimes. I bet it came from the crowd.

 

Furthermore, to say that this hit didn't matter in the grand scheme of things as Price should of mowed down the next three is a bit obtuse. Price is now pitching out of the stretch and if we assume the same thing happens (which is obviously wouldn't), Cain and Hosmer would of scored but Perez's strikeout would of been out #3 leaving the game at 3-2 heading out of the 7th. This was a huge mistake, and blaming Price for not picking up the pieces is really passing the buck after Price was almost flawless for 6 innings.

[Baseball Player]

Oh god, please let this not become a thing.

 

It's been a thing since I was going to games at Exhibition Stadium

[comeon sense]

I am still peeved at Goins. Why did he literally sit down on the play like a 12 year old kid? If he had of just stopped then he might of still had time to catch the ball once he saw that Bautista had stopped.

 

I am a bit less of a Goins fan today. That was a real bone-head play but at least he took the blame for it.

 

I'm starting to think that Pillar/Tulo incident has made all the fielders very apprehensive about taking charge/full committment on those in-between flies (except for Pillar himself who still doesn't give a damn and goes after everything). I can recall couple instances after that incident where we've had dodgy moments in those kind of situations.

 

All you have to do is look at Tulos reaction to Pillar almost running into him again,after he comes back from his injury.

Tulo was glaring at him,so from then on,to me it looks like whoever seems the most sure they have it,should catch the ball.

Goins ran half a mile to get to the ball,and convinced Bautista he had it all the way,otherwise Bautista would have kept going for it.Goins f***ed up because he knew all along that should have been Bautistas ball in the first place,when afterwards he asks JB if he called for it.

Rookie mistake in his first ALCS.

They will(hopefully), flush it down the toilet,and move on.

[BigCecil]

All you have to do is look at Tulos reaction to Pillar almost running into him again,after he comes back from his injury.

Tulo was glaring at him,so from then on,to me it looks like whoever seems the most sure they have it,should catch the ball.

Goins ran half a mile to get to the ball,and convinced Bautista he had it all the way,otherwise Bautista would have kept going for it.Goins f***ed up because he knew all along that should have been Bautistas ball in the first place,when afterwards he asks JB if he called for it.

Rookie mistake in his first ALCS.

They will(hopefully), flush it down the toilet,and move on.

 

They will move on. They are professionals. Its an IF's job to go back on a ball to make a catch unless he is called off by the OF. In this case Jose read Goin's call and let him take it. He had it. That's not a hard catch for Goins. Its probably what Pillar should have done with Tulo.

 

For whatever reason Goins thought he called him off....or he froze which is unlikely. Its a real shame but I think some people are reading too much into this. A lot of tweeners drop even in MLB. Was a bad time for us but it will be ancient history by Monday night.

[Anony13]

The only real problem with this play - and probably why Joey is so mad - is that now what does Bautista do...? If Goins calls him off, should he still go for it and risk a collision? Even if it was (as fans claim) Joey's ball, does he now ignore infielders who call him off in case the ball drops again? And by doing so, risk injuring himself and them?

Goins f***ed up more than I think even he understands.

[500LevelSTH]

Its not surprising that the worst collisions, confussions over pop ups routinely involve the same two players, Pillar and Goins. Not a shot at them, it just speaks to their youth and inexperience at the major league level. Growing pains, or Goins pains if you prefer, timing is bad thats all. Youth mistake

[KingKat]

Its not surprising that the worst collisions, confussions over pop ups routinely involve the same two players, Pillar and Goins. Not a shot at them, it just speaks to their youth and inexperience at the major league level. Growing pains, or Goins pains if you prefer, timing is bad thats all. Youth mistake

 

It must be somewhat delicate for those guys to have to call off players with far greater seniority like Tulo or Bautista. I think that might play into it.

[glory]

It's been a thing since I was going to games at Exhibition Stadium

 

Hell, you can hear the crowd noise on a routine flyball in every stadium. This is nothing new. Goins should have known better. No excuse for that.

[BigCecil]

It must be somewhat delicate for those guys to have to call off players with far greater seniority like Tulo or Bautista. I think that might play into it.

 

I think so. Stephen Brunt was saying that in little league Tulo used to call for and take every ball in the IF and a lot in the OF. He hasn't changed too much!

[BJsFans]

I’ve Got It – The Juke Heard Round The World

[HERPDERP]

They need to come up with a new phrase so that fans can't interfere.

 

Instead of saying "I got it", how about a codephrase? Or if you don't want to get complicated just yell "Me!" or the player's own name who will catch it "Jose!"