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[500LevelSTH]

People say Jays cant win on the road, and all this pandamonium about homefield.

 

Heres the deal...

40-39 on road this season

19-28 on road first half

21-11 on road post ASB, including 2 punts in Bal.

6-2-2 series record post ASB, with TB still to go.

 

Jays on road post ASB vs::

NYY 6-1

LAA 3-0

TEX 2-1

 

Not really worried about any road games in post season. Jays starters are deeper, bullpen deeper, lineup best in game, bench is rock solid.

[Governator]

It's less about HFA for me and more about facing a WC team.

[HERPDERP]

It's less about HFA for me and more about facing a WC team.

 

^ this

 

facing a WC team means you won't have to face their best starter until Game 5

[Rajais Mitten]

Those number's don't mean much I think also once October 8th comes around the playoff's are a whole different beast, no matter what you think the Yankees at home is a very scary thought we should all be cautious about.

[Professional Hitter]

i get that the wc team burns their ace, but some people say the team get a bit of a momentum boost from winning that single game elimination. i believe our team has proven since the trade deadline that they're the front runners in the AL by a good margin. they shouldn't concern themselves with engineering matchups and stay focused on beating whoever is in front of them. home field advantage is a nice to have.

[500LevelSTH]

^ this

 

facing a WC team means you won't have to face their best starter until Game 5

 

Facing their ace in the deciding 5th game should worry you more.....no?

[37stieb]

It also would disappoint the game 5 and game 7 ticket holders.

[Effit]

I honestly think they should have tried to win one of the two games they gave away. I hate it. But life goes on.

[Governator]

It also would disappoint the game 5 and game 7 ticket holders.

 

We have HFA for game 5 of ALDS regardless.

[Rajais Mitten]

^ this

 

facing a WC team means you won't have to face their best starter until Game 5

 

The wildcard is on the 6th you most likely have to play their Ace by game 3 which is the 11th unless they really play them on short rest on the 9th so they have the option for Game 5 which is the 14th

[Effit]

I'm sure Archer will be in full FYSMC mode tonight after what happened last time.

[TBJESE]

^ thisfacing a WC team means you won't have to face their best starter until Game 5

Game 3 actually, but that's still a big advantage if their #1 is significantly better than their #2 and/or if they also have to burn a good starter in Game 163. No starter who pitches a Game 163 or WC can pitch twice in the ALDS without short rest.

[37stieb]

We have HFA for game 5 of ALDS regardless.

 

I should have stated it was a general statement about hfa. As for me... since i was unlucky to not pickup ALDS tickets it doesn't really matter as the jays road games since AS break has been exceptional. I would love to have the boys win at home as our city would be electric at RC (skydome) and once the fans start leaving the stadium and party the streets would be such a awesome sight.

[Krylian]

Who says the Jays can't win on the road? No one has said that.

 

The Jays are better at home... Almost every team is. That's not debatable. That's why it's an advantage that's nice to have because you never know who you'll be playing... And if you get to a game 7, I'd rather it be in Toronto than KC (if they end up playing KC).

 

I don't get people that are trying to convince themselves and others that it doesn't matter. It might not matter... But you don't know that. My contention is that I'd rather have that card in my back pocket than KC's.

[intentional wok]

I honestly think they should have tried to win one of the two games they gave away. I hate it. But life goes on.

 

Maybe the second game of the DH - but after 155 games I think player health might be a bigger issue with two games on the same day. I wouldn't have been opposed to giving Dickey a longer leash and pinch hitting the A-squad late though.

 

But no way should any regulars have played Thursday. Frankly no one should have. That day was an injury that luckily didn't happen. I don't blame Gibbons for making that call.

 

Playing three games in two days was the problem. Gibby played it safe and we'd be calling for his head if he didn't and something bad happened.

[Effit]

Maybe the second game of the DH - but after 155 games I think player health might be a bigger issue with two games on the same day. I wouldn't have been opposed to giving Dickey a longer leash and pinch hitting the A-squad late though.

 

But no way should any regulars have played Thursday. Frankly no one should have. That day was an injury that luckily didn't happen. I don't blame Gibbons for that.

 

Playing three games in two days was the problem. Gibby played it safe and we'd be calling for his head if he didn't and something bad happened.

 

Well said. Damnit mother nature.

[Abomination]

What we DO know, is the following:

 

We can't play the Royals in the first round, only the Yankees, Astros, Angels, or possibly the Rangers (not sure off-hand who holds the tiebreaker between the Rangers and Astros).

 

The Yankees will be pitching Tanaka in the wild card game (6th). So if we faced the Yankees, he would be out of play until game 3 (11th). That would be a big advantage.

 

The Astros appear to be set up for either Keuchel (on short rest) or Kazmir to start the wild card game. Missing Keuchel until game 3, and only getting him once, would be pretty awesome. If they go with Kazmir, someone could get Keuchel followed by McHugh in game one and two. That could suck.

 

The Angels have Richards going tomorrow (they really have no choice), so the wild card game would likely be Heaney. We'd still get Richards potentially twice.

 

If the Rangers are the wild card team, it looks like Gallardo will pitch the game. We would get Hamels twice whether they're the wild card team or the division winner.

[intentional wok]

I think 162 games is already a ridiculous number of games to play. Worse is MLB's tight scheduling that forces things like double headers and one-day make-up games on the other side of the country.

 

Slice 15 or 20 games off the regular season and spread the rest out a bit. More off-days means more leniency means more health means better competition. 162 is a stupid arbitrary number to have to stick to like this.

[Abomination]

I think 162 games is already a ridiculous number of games to play. Worse is MLB's tight scheduling that forces things like double headers and one-day make-up games on the other side of the country.

 

Slice 15 or 20 games off the regular season and spread the rest out a bit. More off-days means more leniency means more health means better competition. 162 is a stupid arbitrary number to have to stick to like this.

 

I'm very much in favor of reducing it to 150 games, and bringing in a much more balanced schedule. Maybe you play 3 games against each NL club each year, and 7 against each AL club (for AL teams). Start the season a few days later, and end the season on the second last day of September (giving a one day buffer).

[Krylian]

MLB seasons used to be 154 games. Also, they used to have scheduled double headers built right into the schedule... Usually 2-3 person season for each team.

 

I'm good with shortening the regular season, but I'd want to expand the playoffs then. I also think you should be able to cut off a week of spring training.

[intentional wok]

Going to be honest - as much as expanded playoffs make the regular season more exciting for a lot of clubs, I hate them in principle.

 

150+ games should be more than enough to determine who should see the big stage and who should go home. In baseball the Phillies can beat the Blue Jays on any given day. Baseball is like that. A 90+ win team shouldn't have to play an 83-win team in a do-or-die series. The 90+ win team has already proven themselves. At most there should be a league championship series (the CS) that determines the World Series contenders. All this divisional stuff is already too much. Then you have the Wild Card. Now we have the second Wild Card to balance out the stupidity of the concept of the first Wild Card.

 

Yeah, I know I sound like a curmudgeon. I just hate tournament-styled playoffs like this.

 

http://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg?fb

[BlueJayWay]

You have to think of it as the playoffs determine the champion, not the best team.

[43211234]

Yeah what kind of a start time was noon? I still blame the jealous Orioles.

[wamco]

What's your best guess as to how many millions are brought in for the playoffs to Rogers ? Hopefully mony that can be spent this offseason on pitching

[wamco]

Going to be honest - as much as expanded playoffs make the regular season more exciting for a lot of clubs, I hate them in principle.

 

150+ games should be more than enough to determine who should see the big stage and who should go home. In baseball the Phillies can beat the Blue Jays on any given day. Baseball is like that. A 90+ win team shouldn't have to play an 83-win team in a do-or-die series. The 90+ win team has already proven themselves. At most there should be a league championship series (the CS) that determines the World Series contenders. All this divisional stuff is already too much. Then you have the Wild Card. Now we have the second Wild Card to balance out the stupidity of the concept of the first Wild Card.

 

Yeah, I know I sound like a curmudgeon. I just hate tournament-styled playoffs like this.

 

http://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg?fb

 

 

 

Return to 154 game schedule. 3 games for wild card. Doubleheader then game 3 would be my preference.

[Jonn]

I hate threads like this. Maybe it will maybe it won't. Considering how close are games were against the Royals would be nice to have the extra game in our ballpark.

[intrigid]

It's less about HFA for me and more about facing a WC team.

 

Yes. This is 100 times more important than the implication on the number of home games. And no, that's not an exaggeration.

[baseballsss]

Going to be honest - as much as expanded playoffs make the regular season more exciting for a lot of clubs, I hate them in principle.

 

150+ games should be more than enough to determine who should see the big stage and who should go home. In baseball the Phillies can beat the Blue Jays on any given day. Baseball is like that. A 90+ win team shouldn't have to play an 83-win team in a do-or-die series. The 90+ win team has already proven themselves. At most there should be a league championship series (the CS) that determines the World Series contenders. All this divisional stuff is already too much. Then you have the Wild Card. Now we have the second Wild Card to balance out the stupidity of the concept of the first Wild Card.

 

Yeah, I know I sound like a curmudgeon. I just hate tournament-styled playoffs like this.

 

http://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg?fb

 

We would of never got to see that epic ending to the 2012 season(i think) where Tampa made that comeback. Things like that are unforgetable.

[Abomination]

What's your best guess as to how many millions are brought in for the playoffs to Rogers ? Hopefully mony that can be spent this offseason on pitching

 

Hard to say with much certainty. Concession, parking, and apparently merchandise revenue goes fully to the teams, so if we estimate 9 total home games (450,000 fans) and an average of $10 / fan (profit), that would be 4.5M (might be on the low end).

 

Ticket revenue is more interesting.

 

• All ticket revenue from both stadiums is pooled. You don't just get revenue from your home games.
  
• The Commissioner's office takes 15% of all ticket revenue.
  
• For the wild card games, 42.5% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 42.5% to the team.
  
• For the division series, 51% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 34% to the team for the first three games. The teams get 85% for the remainder of the games.
  
• For the championship series and world series, 51% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 34% to the team for the first four games. The teams get 85% for the remainder of the games.
  

Based on our seating prices for full playoff strips (facing the Yankees would push it higher), that could mean approximately 150M total revenue for a team's total playoff appearances if they make it to the world series. 22.5M of that goes to the commissioner's office. That would leave the WS teams with as little as roughly 21.5M and as much as 32M (I think). Some sites online seem to suggest half that, so I'm not 100% sure on the numbers. I may have missed something.

 

Now for the TV revenue, which will likely contribute the most. As far as I know, teams keep all their TV revenue for the post season. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Estimating 40 ads per game (might be low), and 100k per ad (premium ad slots seem to range between 100k and 200k for the type of viewer numbers we can expect, so I'm being conservative, I think), that would mean an extra 4M per game. That would mean 44M to 76M extra for the full playoffs.

 

Taking roughly median numbers for games played, a full playoff run based on those could be worth 90M.

[Billy Bats]

well it looks like they just blew it so we'll find out if you're right.

 

i think if and when the inevitable series against the royals happens, home field is huge.