cc, best wishes in your battle

MusicaEsLivida · October 5, 2015

Hey guys,

Join me in wishing CC best wishes in his battle with Alcohol. Its a tough battle and I know we all hope he wins this one.

Governator · October 5, 2015

Hey guys,

Join me in wishing CC best wishes in his battle with Alcohol. Its a tough battle and I know we all hope he wins this one.

I like that you're joining the forum discussions now but it's not necessary to make a new thread for every post. Look in to each thread and reply to them there so we don't have that much clutter.

BTS · October 5, 2015

I don't think he reads this forum.

baseballsss · October 5, 2015

I like that you're joining the forum discussions now but it's not necessary to make a new thread for every post. Look in to each thread and reply to them there so we don't have that much clutter.

lol look into each thread read all the thousands of pages just to make sure this wasn't posted. haha you're a jackass.

Dr Negative · October 5, 2015

I always liked Sabathia despite him being on the Yankees. Gl to him.

MusicaEsLivida · October 5, 2015

There was no other thread on this subject

but, ty

Brownie19 · October 5, 2015

There was no other thread on this subject

but, ty

I don't think you get the point.

There's no thread on whether JD has a pony tail or a man-bun either....maybe you should start that too!

MusicaEsLivida · October 5, 2015

this subject is a serious issue in our society and involves wishing another human luck in his fight to defeat a bad disease.

yes it required its own thread.

as much as i thank you for your advice I will also inform you I am not 8 years old and dont require guidance from you.

baseballsss · October 5, 2015

I don't think you get the point.

There's no thread on whether JD has a pony tail or a man-bun either....maybe you should start that too!

Difference is he's not posting something Pointless. Forget the playoff implication a lot of us grew up watching CC kill it. He came out and admitted he has a problem that affects multiple people(I'm sure some on here to) and wanted to wish him well. This is thread worthy whether it was being talked about somewhere else or not.

Krylian · October 5, 2015

I don't think you get the point.
There's no thread on whether JD has a pony tail or a man-bun either....maybe you should start that too!

I vote man bun

MusicaEsLivida · October 5, 2015

yeah the guy's posting things from his diary as threads lol

some comments dont warrant a reply

Candy Maldonado · October 5, 2015

For a second I thought we lost Chris Colabello.

Grant77 · October 5, 2015

this subject is a serious issue in our society and involves wishing another human luck in his fight to defeat a bad disease.

yes it required its own thread.

as much as i thank you for your advice I will also inform you I am not 8 years old and dont require guidance from you.

It's not a disease, it's a psychiatric disorder (pet peeve of mine), but good luck to CC nonetheless.

FrozenRopes · October 5, 2015

Is this the Yankees forum?

Was there a Josh Hamilton one?

BigCecil · October 5, 2015

It's not a disease, it's a psychiatric disorder (pet peeve of mine), but good luck to CC nonetheless.

That's a highly debateable opinion. Not a fact. A contrasting view below:

Alcoholism Disease

Alcoholism is a Disease

The NCADD states,

'Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug...use of alcohol despite adverse consequences and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or episodic.'

What the NCADD, that is the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, is saying here is that, yes, alcoholism is a disease.

This view of alcoholism as a disease is also held by 90% of the American public (according to a Gallup poll).

It is also advocated by many professional organizations such as the AMA (American Medical Association), WHO (the World Health Organization), APA (American Psychiatric Association) and countless others.

Those who hold this idea believe that the alcoholism disease is....

...a primary, chronic and sometimes fatal disease.

...progressive. This means that alcoholism starts relatively innocently much like moderate drinking e.g. a few drinks at the weekend. Then it gradually worsens and progresses until the sufferer is a full-blown alcoholic. The disease hypothesis states there are three alcoholism stages.

...a 'mental obsession that causes a physical compulsion to drink.' Many drink addicts talk of having 'a monkey on their back'. This monkey is constantly at them, urging them to pick up the next drink from the moment they wake up to the moment they sleep. The only way to get the monkey to shut up is to have that drink and then another and then...you know the story. It is an intense craving that never leaves the sufferer.

...a disease of the brain. Drinking alters its functioning. It is known as alcoholic brain.

...a biopsychosocial disease.

...no different from other chronic diseases like diabetes. It has be managed throughout the life of the sufferer.

...has signs and symptoms like any other disease.

...50-60% of the time caused by genetic factors and 40-50% of the time by environmental ones.

...with the sufferer from birth. Alcoholics Anonymous which brought the alcoholism disease concept to the attention of the public state that alcoholics are a special group of people. They cannot control their drinking. They have an alcohol allergy.

...a cause of shame for many. If it is labeled a disease then those suffering from it are more likely to seek help.

Deadpool · October 5, 2015

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/annb96/stand-up-mitch-hedberg--alcoholism

jays4life19 · October 5, 2015

It's not a disease, it's a psychiatric disorder (pet peeve of mine), but good luck to CC nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPoduBKDZo

Grant77 · October 5, 2015

That's a highly debateable opinion. Not a fact. A contrasting view below:

Alcoholism Disease
Alcoholism is a Disease

The NCADD states,
'Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug...use of alcohol despite adverse consequences and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or episodic.'

What the NCADD, that is the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, is saying here is that, yes, alcoholism is a disease.

This view of alcoholism as a disease is also held by 90% of the American public (according to a Gallup poll).

It is also advocated by many professional organizations such as the AMA (American Medical Association), WHO (the World Health Organization), APA (American Psychiatric Association) and countless others.

Those who hold this idea believe that the alcoholism disease is....

...a primary, chronic and sometimes fatal disease.
...progressive. This means that alcoholism starts relatively innocently much like moderate drinking e.g. a few drinks at the weekend. Then it gradually worsens and progresses until the sufferer is a full-blown alcoholic. The disease hypothesis states there are three alcoholism stages.
...a 'mental obsession that causes a physical compulsion to drink.' Many drink addicts talk of having 'a monkey on their back'. This monkey is constantly at them, urging them to pick up the next drink from the moment they wake up to the moment they sleep. The only way to get the monkey to shut up is to have that drink and then another and then...you know the story. It is an intense craving that never leaves the sufferer.
...a disease of the brain. Drinking alters its functioning. It is known as alcoholic brain.
...a biopsychosocial disease.
...no different from other chronic diseases like diabetes. It has be managed throughout the life of the sufferer.
...has signs and symptoms like any other disease.
...50-60% of the time caused by genetic factors and 40-50% of the time by environmental ones.
...with the sufferer from birth. Alcoholics Anonymous which brought the alcoholism disease concept to the attention of the public state that alcoholics are a special group of people. They cannot control their drinking. They have an alcohol allergy.
...a cause of shame for many. If it is labeled a disease then those suffering from it are more likely to seek help.

It's not a debate in the scientific community, of which I am a part. There are no known genetic or biological causes of alcoholism, or any mental disorder for that matter. That's the real key point to keep in mind. Would you call nicotine addiction a disease as well? The causes and symptoms you describe are virtually identical.

However, I often think that it is a matter of semantics. I notice that you also call diabetes a disease, when it is in fact not one at all. It's caused by an improper functioning of the pancreas, resulting from genetics, abuse of the organ, or a combination of both. Psychiatric disorders in particular are commonly miscast as 'diseases' in order to sell pharmaceuticals for symptoms that don't even have an identifiable cause. You bring up a secondary reason with your last comment, which really illustrates my point. It's called a disease for social reasons, not for scientific ones. I don't blame people for not being aware of the difference and I'm not surprised in the least.

All that being said, I have seen alcohol addiction afflict colleagues and family members and it is terrible. I fully support efforts to reduce the stigma around alcohol addiction and to help people that have problems. I'd be very surprised if our views were any different in that regard. I just don't think that the problem needs to be mislabeled in order to achieve that goal.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Grant77

Caper · October 5, 2015

There might be another shoe to drop in this story.

JFD · October 5, 2015

some comments dont warrant a reply

yeah it warrants a thumbs down. really wish that was an option.

BigCecil · October 6, 2015

It's not a debate in the scientific community, of which I am a part. There are no known genetic or biological causes of alcoholism, or any mental disorder for that matter. That's the real key point to keep in mind. Would you call nicotine addiction a disease as well? The causes and symptoms you describe are virtually identical.

However, I often think that it is a matter of semantics. I notice that you also call diabetes a disease, when it is in fact not one at all. It's caused by an improper functioning of the pancreas, resulting from genetics, abuse of the organ, or a combination of both. Psychiatric disorders in particular are commonly miscast as 'diseases' in order to sell pharmaceuticals for symptoms that don't even have an identifiable cause. You bring up a secondary reason with your last comment, which really illustrates my point. It's called a disease for social reasons, not for scientific ones. I don't blame people for not being aware of the difference and I'm not surprised in the least.

All that being said, I have seen alcohol addiction afflict colleagues and family members and it is terrible. I fully support efforts to reduce the stigma around alcohol addiction and to help people that have problems. I'd be very surprised if our views were any different in that regard. I just don't think that the problem needs to be mislabeled in order to achieve that goal.

I didn't call diabetes anything. I didn't take a position. I just cut and pasted another view from a reputable source.

If you speak for the entire "scientific community" with unanimity on this subject of alcoholism and mislabeling i'd be very surprised.

Laika · October 6, 2015

If you speak for the entire "scientific community" with unanimity on this subject of alcoholism and mislabeling i'd be very surprised.

Meet Grant!

Laika · October 6, 2015

Welcome back btw, Grant. I thought the mantids must have finally gotten you last season. Good to see you survived another year.

Three tuba blasts for your return!

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dineke · October 6, 2015

some comments dont warrant a reply

why did you reply then? lol

IBTrini · October 6, 2015

What's with all of the obnoxious ramblings in this thread? Are there guideline for what constitutes a valid topic? If you don't like a particular thread either don't read it or put the OP on ignore. Some of you really need to grow up or you will be part of the reason why some will leave and/or prevent new individuals from joining the forum. But then again, maybe that's your hidden agenda so you can keep this as your personal playground whereby you can hopefully be viewed as big shots.

*end of rant*

MusicaEsLivida · October 6, 2015

I cant believe wishing a pro baseball player luck in his battle with alcoholism started this.. lol

how about you just wish him luck

Candy Maldonado · October 6, 2015

I cant believe wishing a pro baseball player luck in his battle with alcoholism started this.. lol

how about you just wish him luck

Here's his twitter:

You can wish him well directly instead of on some blue jays board he will never read.

Laika · October 6, 2015

On topic, CC doing this right now with the playoffs just beginning seems like an extremely courageous thing to do.

That, or his family just bet against the Yankees and scheduled the intervention months ago.

Dr. Dinger · October 6, 2015

Grant has emerged from his ootheca!

Cookie · October 6, 2015

There might be another shoe to drop in this story.

Like what?

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