Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[P2F]

Pardinho is egregiously low.

[Spanky99]

Pardinho is egregiously low.

 

Dammit, I used the wrong terminology on my first post to that list.

[Captain Adama]

Ryan Mountcastle over guys like Morejon, James, Brujan, Jansen is a reach IMO.

[jays4life19]

Mackenzie Gore is about 17 spots too low. (give or take)

[Jimcanuck]

Mackenzie Gore is about 17 spots too low. (give or take)

 

He's on the Yadier Alvarez path

[jays4life19]

He's on the Yadier Alvarez path

 

Pfft.

[Boxcar]

Danny Jansen is probably a 2-3 WAR catcher NEXT YEAR.

 

These prospect lists are really s***** at balancing risk and upside.

[glory]

Espinal getting some love. Never doubt the Fringe Five.

 

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/stats-say-these-prospects-will-improve-in-2019/c-301972294

 

Santiago Espinal, IF, Blue Jays' No. 23

Toronto acquired Espinal from the Red Sox for Steve Pearce back in June, in the middle of the 24-year-old infielder's breakout campaign. He would ultimately hit .297/.356/.444 with 43 extra-base hits including 10 home runs over 124 games, finishing the year in Double-A. Espinal produced a line drive or fly ball in 44.4 percent of his 518 plate appearances in 2018, and that number was the highest among qualified Top 30 prospects. 56.7% of his BIP was either a line drive or fly ball, the second-best among Top 30 prospects with at least 350 BIP, yet his .412 average on such contact was the 10th-lowest mark. Factor in his solid strikeout and walk rates (12.9 and 7.3 percent, respectively) and the fact that he uses the entire field well, and a case can be made that Espinal is merely scratching the surface of his underrated potential.

[Laika]

Espinal getting some love. Never doubt the Fringe Five.

 

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/stats-say-these-prospects-will-improve-in-2019/c-301972294

 

I think the most likely 2 year infield projection for Toronto is probably:

 

SS Espinal

2B Bo

1B Vlad

3B (coin flip between Biggio or Drury?)

 

Bench Gurribabip, Smith

 

Gone or relegated: Urena, Travis, Tellez

[Dr. Dinger]

Bench Gurribabip, Smith

 

Reported for trying to help a weak tercetism gain traction.

[TheHurl]

Pardinho is egregiously low.

 

and that is why people don't rank him

[TheHurl]

There are at least 4 guys ahead of Wander Franco that shouldn't be IMO

 

Greg Brack had him at 36. King get us his Twitter, Instagram, home address and Mother's maiden name and we'll run him out of the business.

[Dr. Dinger]

and that is why people don't rank him

 

(rim shot)

[Spanky99]

and that is why people don't rank him

 

Godammit, I get it now.

[Bobthe4th]

This is predicting Espinal to have a breakout year:

 

[tercet]

Espinal sucks, you guys are all on crack if you think he will be anything besides AAA fodder..

 

He is a 5’8’’/5’9’’ swing first lol hacker

 

His ceiling is something like Ronald Torreyes..

 

At least Gurribabip can run into a meatball or hanging slider and hit it far/look good in random short samples and fool lots of idiots.

[Carlos Danger]

This is predicting Espinal to have a breakout year:

 

 

Let’s hope our gift in Steve Pierce to the Red Sox was as was Dolyle Alexander was to the Tigers. Did great for them getting to the playoffs, but the Braves got some unknown kid named John Smoltz..

[Abomination]

Espinal sucks, you guys are all on crack if you think he will be anything besides AAA fodder..

 

He is a 5’8’’/5’9’’ swing first lol hacker

 

His ceiling is something like Ronald Torreyes..

 

At least Gurribabip can run into a meatball or hanging slider and hit it far/look good in random short samples and fool lots of idiots.

 

I don't think most people associate an 8% walk rate, 13% K rate guy as a swing first hacker.

[Spanky99]

I don't think most people associate an 8% walk rate, 13% K rate guy as a swing first hacker.

 

lol

[Olerud363]

Espinal sucks, you guys are all on crack if you think he will be anything besides AAA fodder..

 

He is a 5’8’’/5’9’’ swing first lol hacker

 

His ceiling is something like Ronald Torreyes..

 

At least Gurribabip can run into a meatball or hanging slider and hit it far/look good in random short samples and fool lots of idiots.

 

Just as a public service reminder if Tercet wants to show he has any ability to predict prospect outcomes he needs to pepper in the 20-25% that his keen scouting eye has detected will overperform.

 

Most prospects fail, predicting they'll fail isn't a prediction unless you also predict who will overperform.

 

Furthermore the concensus opinion is correct on average. If Tercet is predicting several guys will underperform, then Tercet's prediction will be worse than other predictions. He needs to identify prospects who will overperform. Otherwise his long term predictions will be too low.

[Rusty_Savage]

Espinal sucks, you guys are all on crack if you think he will be anything besides AAA fodder..

 

He is a 5’8’’/5’9’’ swing first lol hacker

 

His ceiling is something like Ronald Torreyes..

 

At least Gurribabip can run into a meatball or hanging slider and hit it far/look good in random short samples and fool lots of idiots.

 

Speaking of idiots...

[Dr. Dinger]

Espinal sucks, you guys are all on crack if you think he will be anything besides AAA fodder..

 

Hate to say it: I agree with tercet.

[Brownie19]

Hate to say it: I agree with tercet.

 

Surely to god we're at the point where we no longer talk in absolutes. tercet looks like a moron when claiming anyone who thinks he's anything more than a AAA folder is on crack. There's a lot to like about Espinal. Solid walk rate, low K's, high % of line drives and fly balls. There's obviously a wide spectrum of potential results - all with their own likelihood (which someone smarter than me could probably estimate). What on earth is wrong with simply pointing out this guy had a good season - made some improvements and could be a decent asset moving forward?

[Dr. Dinger]

Surely to god we're at the point where we no longer talk in absolutes. tercet looks like a moron when claiming anyone who thinks he's anything more than a AAA folder is on crack. There's a lot to like about Espinal. Solid walk rate, low K's, high % of line drives and fly balls. There's obviously a wide spectrum of potential results - all with their own likelihood (which someone smarter than me could probably estimate). What on earth is wrong with simply pointing out this guy had a good season - made some improvements and could be a decent asset moving forward?

 

What's wrong with pouring some cold water on an over-aged, under-sized prospect who people in the baseball industry considered worth 1/4 of a season of Steve Pearce? I have many times read on this board (and even going back to the old board) Jays fans who seem to think that all of our even remotely intriguing prospects are going to turn into MLB regulars. It's probably not going to happen and I think it's absolutely fine to acknowledge that the most likely outcome for Espinal is fringe major leaguer.

[Boxcar]

Hate to say it: I agree with tercet.

 

Yeah saying that a prospect is going to suck is a really strong stance. You're only going to be right about practically any interesting guy like 95% of the time. Tercet is really taking big risks.

[Ehjays]

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/guerrero-bichette-are-blue-jays-organization-all-stars/c-301997118

 

Article about our farm system

[Bobthe4th]

What's wrong with pouring some cold water on an over-aged, under-sized prospect who people in the baseball industry considered worth 1/4 of a season of Steve Pearce? I have many times read on this board (and even going back to the old board) Jays fans who seem to think that all of our even remotely intriguing prospects are going to turn into MLB regulars. It's probably not going to happen and I think it's absolutely fine to acknowledge that the most likely outcome for Espinal is fringe major leaguer.

 

There is no one in the world, let alone this board, who thinks that every prospect is going to make it.

 

There's also a big difference between "pouring cold water" on a prospect, and tercet calling anyone who doesn't agree with his own opinion morons.

[Brownie19]

What's wrong with pouring some cold water on an over-aged, under-sized prospect who people in the baseball industry considered worth 1/4 of a season of Steve Pearce? I have many times read on this board (and even going back to the old board) Jays fans who seem to think that all of our even remotely intriguing prospects are going to turn into MLB regulars. It's probably not going to happen and I think it's absolutely fine to acknowledge that the most likely outcome for Espinal is fringe major leaguer.

 

I mean we turned 1/4 of a season of Liriano into Teoscar. He obviously has warts, but there's no reason to claim it's idiotic to think Espinal might be an asset.

[wamco]

Can we power rank , as starters, the arms atkins traded for ? merryweather, Thornton, Paulino, Perez , waguespack , copping. Who did I miss? And throw in SRF , borucki and panonne in as well .

 

Thoughts?

[Orgfiller]

Can we power rank , as starters, the arms atkins traded for ? merryweather, Thornton, Paulino, Perez , waguespack , copping. Who did I miss? And throw in SRF , borucki and panonne in as well .

 

Thoughts?

 

Pannone was a Shatkins acquisition as well, traded for Joe Smith and also netted back Samad Taylor.