Is David Price OK

[Spanky__99]

Yes.

 

lol...this.

[Caper]

in the 3 years of the 2 wildcard teams...the WC winner is 3-3 in the DS. Of the 3 losers 2 went to 5 games (and lost in pitching duels), TB lost in 4. There is no real data that says it's a huge advantage to play the WC winner.

 

It's a weird thing. I wouldn't want to play the Red Sox right now.

[gruber92]

Partially torn ucl per shi davidi could require TJS

 

You make idiotic posts like this just to bait some of the naive posters but claim my post asking you if you would bang Hazel Mae during yesterday's fun filled division clinching GDT as "f***ing ******** post", and you will be putting me on your IL.

 

Seriously, get a life kid.

[Krylian]

The entire lineup hasn't played for 2 games now.

 

Must mean they're all hurt.

 

Panic!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!!!one

[BigCecil]

It's a weird thing. I wouldn't want to play the Red Sox right now.

 

They have some GREAT young players @ SS and with Betts. Even JBJ looks like he has found an MLB stick.

 

So far Panda and H Ramirez have been busts.

[TheHurl]

Because that happened once? I think the last time something like this happened was in like 1983. It would be a gross overreaction to change the format based on this year.

 

I just meant playing your own division. I could see them saying something like WC winner vs top team not in their division. Not a big deal at all. This year it would mean that St. Louis would play the Dodgers or Mets. The Jays would avoid the Yanks if they won the ALWC and Jays are first. It is scheduled in to be discussed at the winter meetings at least.

 

...who also racked up a ton of wins playing the worst teams in baseball. So no changing of format necessary.

 

The AL had Oakland and no one else that was terrible. The NL will have six 90+ loss teams, including two in the NL Central.The AL destroyed the NL even more than usual in interleague play this year. The Jays' 92 wins is more of an accomplishment than the Cardinals' 100 wins even without considering the run differential.

 

Rather than implying that the Cubs or Pirates are getting screwed over, we can say the only team that got lucky this year was the Mets and their 46-26 record against their horrible division opponents. Don't worry though, any Raptors fans will know teams that benefit from being in a weak division get bounced quickly anyways.

 

The Cards have a losing record to 1 team this year (1-2 against Detroit), and are 34-24 against playoff teams. Jays are 24-15 but most of that is their record over the Yankees. The NL might be top heavy but to claim it's weaker than the AL is egregious. This is the weakest the AL has been in 20 years.

[LGBJ29]

I just meant playing your own division. I could see them saying something like WC winner vs top team not in their division. Not a big deal at all. This year it would mean that St. Louis would play the Dodgers or Mets. The Jays would avoid the Yanks if they won the ALWC and Jays are first. It is scheduled in to be discussed at the winter meetings at least.

 

 

 

The Cards have a losing record to 1 team this year (1-2 against Detroit), and are 34-24 against playoff teams. Jays are 24-15 but most of that is their record over the Yankees. The NL might be top heavy but to claim it's weaker than the AL is egregious. This is the weakest the AL has been in 20 years.

 

based on what?

[TheHurl]

based on what?

 

Opinion/experience, it is a very blanket statement (and I apologize for that as it can't be proven or disproved) but it's been consistent with my opinion all year. Prior to the Jays great run post trade deadline it was a league of .500 teams (even after the deadline it's been 4 teams with good records and the rest .500 or worse...and two of those teams good since are still well out of the playoffs). If the Jays had the same record in the NL at the trade deadline they more likely would have had a tough decision to be buyers or sellers as they were 6 games behind the wildcard (and even with 42-15 run still are a game back of the NL wildcard.

[LGBJ29]

Opinion/experience, it is a very blanket statement (and I apologize for that as it can't be proven or disproved) but it's been consistent with my opinion all year. Prior to the Jays great run post trade deadline it was a league of .500 teams (even after the deadline it's been 4 teams with good records and the rest .500 or worse...and two of those teams good since are still well out of the playoffs). If the Jays had the same record in the NL at the trade deadline they more likely would have had a tough decision to be buyers or sellers as they were 6 games behind the wildcard (and even with 42-15 run still are a game back of the NL wildcard.

 

Fair enough, however I would counter with the teams are more balanced rather than top/bottom heavy. There aren't as many bottom feeders to get easy wins from. If the Jays were in the NL their record would be completely different. In a general sense, I do feel its weaker than in years past. However, I never saw it as weaker than anything in 2 decades. Judgement call though

[LGBJ29]

Oh also, I know we've gathered that Price is fine by now but I was just reading Scott MacArthur's article on TSN and if anyone needed any assurance:

 

"Naturally, one's first inclination when hearing of Price's situation was to inquire about injury or aches and pains. The Blue Jays insist their 30-year-old ace is healthy and, as a veteran of playoff wars with Tampa Bay and Detroit, as one source put it, Price "knows what he needs to get ready" for the postseason."

[BigCecil]

Oh also, I know we've gathered that Price is fine by now but I was just reading Scott MacArthur's article on TSN and if anyone needed any assurance:

 

"Naturally, one's first inclination when hearing of Price's situation was to inquire about injury or aches and pains. The Blue Jays insist their 30-year-old ace is healthy and, as a veteran of playoff wars with Tampa Bay and Detroit, as one source put it, Price "knows what he needs to get ready" for the postseason."

 

Reassurance is good. I'll buy it...even though I don't think they would tell us yet if he did had some issues....which apparently he doesn't....which is good.

[saskjayfan]

Opinion/experience, it is a very blanket statement (and I apologize for that as it can't be proven or disproved) but it's been consistent with my opinion all year. Prior to the Jays great run post trade deadline it was a league of .500 teams (even after the deadline it's been 4 teams with good records and the rest .500 or worse...and two of those teams good since are still well out of the playoffs). If the Jays had the same record in the NL at the trade deadline they more likely would have had a tough decision to be buyers or sellers as they were 6 games behind the wildcard (and even with 42-15 run still are a game back of the NL wildcard.

 

Hurl...who you cheering for in the playoffs?

[crederer]

Making sure our starters don't get injured in meaningless games is more important than home field advantage IF we end up facing KC.

[LGBJ29]

Reassurance is good. I'll buy it...even though I don't think they would tell us yet if he did had some issues....which apparently he doesn't....which is good.

 

Yeah I don't think they would tell us either, but I don't think he would throw tomorrow at all if he was dealing with something. Time will tell

[500LevelSTH]

Opinion/experience, it is a very blanket statement (and I apologize for that as it can't be proven or disproved) but it's been consistent with my opinion all year. Prior to the Jays great run post trade deadline it was a league of .500 teams (even after the deadline it's been 4 teams with good records and the rest .500 or worse...and two of those teams good since are still well out of the playoffs). If the Jays had the same record in the NL at the trade deadline they more likely would have had a tough decision to be buyers or sellers as they were 6 games behind the wildcard (and even with 42-15 run still are a game back of the NL wildcard.

 

There are 4 NL teams with 66 wins or less, 2 in the AL. AL beat NL this season, 153-126. The disparity between the top and botton NL teams is far greater than the AL.

[TheHurl]

Hurl...who you cheering for in the playoffs?

 

The NL and Astros if they get there.

[Professional Hitter]

We already have home field advantage locked up for the ALDS and WS. One additional home game in the ALCS, and only if we play KC... that's all that's at stake here.

 

[intrigid]

People really have no comprehension of how absolutely insignificant and meaningless beating the Royals would be in terms the playoffs. It is so far beyond irrelevant that's it's actually kind of funny.

 

Literally the ONLY scenario in which losing home-field advantage threatens the Jays is if they go to game 7 in the ALCS AND the team they face in the ALCS is the Royals.

 

In every other scenario, they either 1) retain HFA throughout every series anyway, 2) have the same number of home games anyway, or 3) actually end up with MORE home games.

 

That's right. Think about that. If the Royals overtook them, but then the Jays beat them in 5 games in the ALCS, losing home-field advantage would have worked in their favor and resulted in one more home game.

 

And when you realize that HFA does not actually change the expected number of home games for Toronto, you start to realize how absurd this whole thing is.

 

OK, you could argue that a 7 game ALCS vs the Royals is more likely than a 5 game ALCS vs the Royals. But at this point you're not even talking about 1 additional expected home game in the playoffs. You're talking about a tiny fraction of that, maybe 1/10th of one home game. Then when you consider that the visiting team wins 45% of the time, you're talking about on the order of 1/100th of a win.

 

That's right. Home-field advantage is worth one one-hundredth of a win throughout the entire 11 to 19 games of the playoffs.

 

How many wins do you think a couple extra days of rest are worth for David Price and the Jays A lineup?

[nextyear]

People really have no comprehension of how absolutely insignificant and meaningless beating the Royals would be in terms the playoffs. It is so far beyond irrelevant that's it's actually kind of funny.

 

Literally the ONLY scenario in which losing home-field advantage threatens the Jays is if they go to game 7 in the ALCS AND the team they face in the ALCS is the Royals.

 

In every other scenario, they either 1) retain HFA throughout every series anyway, 2) have the same number of home games anyway, or 3) actually end up with MORE home games.

 

That's right. Think about that. If the Royals overtook them, but then the Jays beat them in 5 games in the ALCS, losing home-field advantage would have worked in their favor and resulted in one more home game.

 

And when you realize that HFA does not actually change the expected number of home games for Toronto, you start to realize how absurd this whole thing is.

 

OK, you could argue that a 7 game ALCS vs the Royals is more likely than a 5 game ALCS vs the Royals. But at this point you're not even talking about 1 additional expected home game in the playoffs. You're talking about a tiny fraction of that, maybe 1/10th of one home game. Then when you consider that the visiting team wins 45% of the time, you're talking about on the order of 1/100th of a win.

 

That's right. Home-field advantage is worth one one-hundredth of a win throughout the entire 11 to 19 games of the playoffs.

 

How many wins do you think a couple extra days of rest are worth for David Price and the Jays A lineup?

 

Interesting. I am not sure about the percentages, but you have pointed out that the ALCS is 2 at home, 3 away, and 2 at home instead of 2-2-1-1-1 as it is in the NHL playoffs. So in the ALCS, 3 of the first 5 games are at the home of the lower seed team - http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/index.jsp#date=10/14/2015 instead of 3 of the first 5 games at the home of the higher seed team as in the NHL playoffs.

 

It has been so many years since I watched MLB playoffs that I wasn't sure.

[STLJaysFan]

I've never liked that setup in baseball even though I understand it makes for less travel than the other sports. But for the team that starts on the road, all they have to do is split the first 2 games, and they have a chance to wrap up the series at home because the next 3 games are at their ballpark. There may not even be a 6th or 7th game at the team with home field advantage's ballpark. That happened in the 2006 World Series when the Cardinals split the first 2 games in Detroit and then won all 3 home games afterwards and the series never did go back to Detroit cuz the Tigers were throwing the ball all over the field In St Louis. So technically, the Cardinals had more home games than the Tigers.

[STLJaysFan]

This also reminds me of the 2004 Stanley Cup Finals when just the width of a puck was the difference between ending the series in Calgary or having to fly all the way across North America to Tampa to play the 7th game.

[nextyear]

I've never liked that setup in baseball even though I understand it makes for less travel than the other sports. But for the team that starts on the road, all they have to do is split the first 2 games, and they have a chance to wrap up the series at home because the next 3 games are at their ballpark. There may not even be a 6th or 7th game at the team with home field advantage's ballpark. That happened in the 2006 World Series when the Cardinals split the first 2 games in Detroit and then won all 3 home games afterwards and the series never did go back to Detroit cuz the Tigers were throwing the ball all over the field In St Louis. So technically, the Cardinals had more home games than the Tigers.

 

I actually like it. It seems to minimize home field advantage but doesn't actually give it to the lower seed team.

[STLJaysFan]

I will agree that the baseball set up does a lot more as far as momentum is concerned. When one team gets to play three straight playoff games at home, you almost forget that the other team actually has the home field advantage.

[STLJaysFan]

Remember in the 2001 World Series when the Yankees took all the momentum away from the Diamondbacks by winning those three straight games at Yankee Stadium the way they did? And they definitely would have won the World Series if they would have played a fourth straight game there, but after heading back to Phoenix for the last two games, the Diamondbacks found a way to snatch that momentum back as well as a ring

[Buster]

this also reminds me of the 2004 stanley cup finals when just the width of a puck was the difference between ending the series in calgary or having to fly all the way across north america to tampa to play the 7th game.

 

 

it was in!

[Billy Bats]

damn right price is okay he's gonna pitch some fire and shutouts!!!!!

[500LevelSTH]

If Kershaw wasnt going for 300 Ks hed probably skip Sundays start... His layoff would be 9 days.... And Price is 4 years older, so this makes sense. Top level arms know their bodies. I am now confident Price is fine, and if not 12 days rest with a sim game is prob the cure ayways.

 

Lets talk Thursday after Jays take the opener.

[Dick_Pole]

The Cards have a losing record to 1 team this year (1-2 against Detroit), and are 34-24 against playoff teams. Jays are 24-15 but most of that is their record over the Yankees. The NL might be top heavy but to claim it's weaker than the AL is egregious. This is the weakest the AL has been in 20 years.

 

Parity doesn't equate to mediocrity.