Anyone here compare the 93 jays to the 2015 team?

[37stieb]

Not familiar with the WAR metrics but seems like the 93 Jays had a lot of quality players then todays team.

1993 team

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/1993.shtml

2015 team

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2015.shtml

 

Heck even the 92 team had a better WAR stats.

[Dr. Dinger]

You know there's still a month left in the season, right? WAR is a cumulative stat.

[KingKat]

You know there's still a month left in the season, right? WAR is a cumulative stat.

 

He almost assuredly knows the first thing. He very well might not have known the second.

[37stieb]

You know there's still a month left in the season, right? WAR is a cumulative stat.

 

I know there's a month left, but I didn't think a player can move 3 points in a span of a month. How much can a hot player ie Goins move in a month? I'm new to this WAR stat and how it represent the player as a whole. Thanks for your reply Dinger

[baubau]

Looked up Dave Stewart's stat after looking at the 93 team. While a terrible GM, Dave Stewart was an absolute monster in his prime. 4 seasons of 250+ IP, 5 of 225+ IP, 4 consecutive 3+ WAR seasons. Dang.

[dineke]

That 84-48 pythag record. Damn.

[Dick_Pole]

When comparing teams I think it's just easier to compare it at the team level then to try to do some sort of bottom up analysis by players.

 

1993 team: 847 runs for 742 runs against. 5.2 RFPG 4.6 RAPG

2015 team: 725 runs for 532 runs against. Through 132 games 5.5 RFPG 4.0 RAPG

 

So there really is no comparison, the 2015 is pretty clearly better on both sides of the ball.

[Dick_Pole]

Looked up Dave Stewart's stat after looking at the 93 team. While a terrible GM, Dave Stewart was an absolute monster in his prime. 4 seasons of 250+ IP, 5 of 225+ IP, 4 consecutive 3+ WAR seasons. Dang.

 

I think it's a product of being use to our times than anything. 200+ IP was a pretty standard workload for pitchers in the 80's. We're talking about a time when some teams carried as few as 10 pitchers on their roster. Dave Stewart was good for his time. I'd hardly consider him an absolute monster. More like a solid #2

[Orgfiller]

When comparing teams I think it's just easier to compare it at the team level then to try to do some sort of bottom up analysis by players.

 

1993 team: 847 runs for 742 runs against. 5.2 RFPG 4.6 RAPG

2015 team: 725 runs for 532 runs against. Through 132 games 5.5 RFPG 4.0 RAPG

 

So there really is no comparison, the 2015 is pretty clearly better on both sides of the ball.

Different run environments though, you can't compare certain stats year to year because of this. If you were to use a metric that compared both teams respective to the league average, using a stat like wRC+ for example, you could get a better idea.

[crmr]

Different run environments though, you can't compare certain stats year to year because of this. If you were to use a metric that compared both teams respective to the league average, using a stat like wRC+ for example, you could get a better idea.

 

Except they score more runs per game and give up less so it's pretty clear

[37stieb]

When comparing teams I think it's just easier to compare it at the team level then to try to do some sort of bottom up analysis by players.

 

1993 team: 847 runs for 742 runs against. 5.2 RFPG 4.6 RAPG

2015 team: 725 runs for 532 runs against. Through 132 games 5.5 RFPG 4.0 RAPG

 

So there really is no comparison, the 2015 is pretty clearly better on both sides of the ball.

 

Just projecting the avg runs the jays get per game. It would seem like they have a more potent offence then 93 Jays.

[Dick_Pole]

Different run environments though, you can't compare certain stats year to year because of this. If you were to use a metric that compared both teams respective to the league average, using a stat like wRC+ for example, you could get a better idea.

 

I thought about that, but then what crmr said.

 

Also, going merely on my recollection of being a baseball fan for 20+ years, I don't think there was a huge variance in offensive output between 1993 and 2015. At least not enough to where any adjustment can show that the 1993 team has superior pitching/run prevention or offense. I could be wrong, but I'm too lazy to do the research myself.