John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Boxcar]

The Jays have not been in many close games recently. Gibbons hasn't had much opportunity to blow games.

 

4-4 in the 7th right now? This thread will have activity soon enough.

 

You were saying?

[King]

Fire Gibbons!

[Deadpool]

You were saying?

 

If it wasn't for Gibbons, they'd have won at least 15 of the last 10 games...

[ElNik2013]

So now would be a good time, wouldn't it? Kind of crafty, you know, like Farrell.

[GD]

If it wasn't for Gibbons, they'd have won at least 15 of the last 10 games...

 

lmao

[RealAccountant]

Just BC the Gibby has managed not to screw up in the last 10 games doesn't make.up for the first 53

Jays would be 7-8 games over .500 with another manager

[dineke]

Another manager would have stopped Hutchison and Dickey from being gascans for sure.

[glory]

What a revelation. You're a genius.

 

That goes without saying.

 

Tell the geniuses who think Gibbons is a great manager that bad managers hurt teams. They don't seem to agree.

[Boxcar]

That goes without saying.

 

Tell the geniuses who think Gibbons is a great manager that bad managers hurt teams. They don't seem to agree.

 

Probably my favourite trait about Gibbons is that he's very even keeled. He never gets too high or too low, isn't afraid to stick up for his players (unlike Farrell) and generally does not overreact to situations. How many managers overreact and take out Hutch early or Hendriks after he loaded the bases today? Gibbons' BP management today was sublime and you're an idiot to say otherwise. He put this team in the best position to win today, and they made a nice comeback.

[glory]

You were saying?

 

Hendriks for 2 innings was the right call. I was expecting Coke to face Ortiz to justify that unnecessary call up, but he kept one of his best relievers in the game and it paid off.

 

Broken clock.

[dineke]

That goes without saying.

 

Tell the geniuses who think Gibbons is a great manager that bad managers hurt teams. They don't seem to agree.

 

You think they don't agree that bad managers hurt teams because they think Gibbons is a great manager? Huh?

[Jimcanuck]

The Jays bats are hot, the starting pitching has stabilized, and the 'pen has been bolstered by Delabar. Less opportunity for Gibby f***ups.

[Boxcar]

The Jays bats are hot, the starting pitching has stabilized, and the 'pen has been bolstered by Delabar. Less opportunity for Gibby f***ups.

 

Cling to whatever you want man. I know how hard it is to admit defeat.

[CrackerJack]

there will be a run with or without Gibbons.

 

so it might as well happen with Gibbons because Gibby is good people.

 

imagine if Gibbons was dismissed at the time of the McCown speculation ...

the managerial change certainly would've been the main reason for the team catching fire, right?

[SparkyAnderson]

Just BC the Gibby has managed not to screw up in the last 10 games doesn't make.up for the first 53

Jays would be 7-8 games over .500 with another manager

 

You really think a different manager would be worth a full 4-5 extra wins? Maybe if he went out there and actually pitched himself. Gibbons might not be the best manager in baseball but there is no way he has THAT much influence over win/loss.

[Mikeleelop]

Just BC the Gibby has managed not to screw up in the last 10 games doesn't make.up for the first 53

Jays would be 7-8 games over .500 with another manager

 

How do you come up with this arbitrary number?

[thatoneguy]

Just BC the Gibby has managed not to screw up in the last 10 games doesn't make.up for the first 53

Jays would be 7-8 games over .500 with another manager

 

For the record I'm not the biggest Gibby fan either, but this post is just blatant stupidity.

[RealAccountant]

For the record I'm not the biggest Gibby fan either, but this post is just blatant stupidity.

 

why

 

Just because the team is over .500, the manager is good. Just look at the run differential, with a 68 positive run deferential Jays are 3 games over .500. The Cardinals with almost the same run differential are 21 games over .500. Their players are producing the same as our players, yet they are 18 games better than us.

[RealAccountant]

How do you come up with this arbitrary number?

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi

[RealAccountant]

You really think a different manager would be worth a full 4-5 extra wins? Maybe if he went out there and actually pitched himself. Gibbons might not be the best manager in baseball but there is no way he has THAT much influence over win/loss.

 

Not extra wins. No such thing as extra wins.

 

Yes the manager has that much impact. The manager is the one deciding who pitches at what particular time, he is the one deciding to put a DH in left field. According to fangraphs, Colabello has cost us 10 runs by playing lf this season. thats almost 2 games. Isn't that a managerial decision, or does Colabello just wake up and say I am playing left field today and no one can stop me

 

The Jays are winning right now in-spite of Gibbons, because even his total incompetent management cannot hold back this team from achieving success.

[thatoneguy]

why

 

Just because the team is over .500, the manager is good. Just look at the run differential, with a 68 positive run deferential Jays are 3 games over .500. The Cardinals with almost the same run differential are 21 games over .500. Their players are producing the same as our players, yet they are 18 games better than us.

 

Our starting pitching was complete ass for the better part of April and May, that's not going to help a team with any manager.

[Daniel Labude]

Our starting pitching was complete ass for the better part of April and May, that's not going to help a team with any manager.

 

Also N.L. teams sucks offensively

[thatoneguy]

Also N.L. teams sucks offensively

 

Good sentence there.

[RealAccountant]

Cito won 2 World Series despite being a train wreck of a manager.

 

Thats what you think. However how many people here were actually around to see Cito manage. Not many.

[Mikeleelop]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi

 

This indicates to me that gibbons in doing a great job, not that he cost us the games

[RealAccountant]

Our starting pitching was complete ass for the better part of April and May, that's not going to help a team with any manager.

 

Starting pitching is still garbage, The offense is making up for it with the bat. Just like it was in April and May but atrocious bullpen management, and a lack of strategy was costing Gibby Games

 

You have to be a terrible manager to get to 500 wins in MLB despite being a below .500 manager.

 

When Gibby got fired by the Jays, he didn't get a single interview for another MLB managerial position.

[RealAccountant]

This indicates to me that gibbons in doing a great job, not that he cost us the games

 

really how so

 

So production not leading to wins indicate that the manager is doing a great job. Jays should be a .600 team best on player production.

 

Players produce or stop runs. Mangers turn those runs into wins and losses.

[Mikeleelop]

Thats what you think. However how many people here were actually around to see Cito manage. Not many.

 

Cito and gibbons are very similar. They both had weird allegiance to different guys

 

Gibbons actually has devised much better lineup than cito

[Mikeleelop]

really how so

 

So production not leading to wins indicate that the manager is doing a great job. Jays should be a .600 team best on player production.

 

Players produce or stop runs. Mangers turn those runs into wins and losses.

 

 

Point is the players produce and stop runs and also win/lose the games

 

Over the course of the season it will even out. Managers don't effect the outcome

[RealAccountant]

Point is the players produce and stop runs and also win/lose the games

 

Over the course of the season it will even out. Managers don't effect the outcome

 

Managers absolutely effect the outcome of the game, it is borderline nonsensical to say so otherwise. They might have lessor impact on games that are decided by 3-4 runs, but for games decided by 1 run, or 2 runs, they have a huge impact

 

Last time I checked Jays were terrible in close games.