Jeff Passan: Rays enlisting potentially revolutionary technology to study pitching

[Dick_Pole]

Heads are going to be rolling is a metaphor for firing. Learn it, love it.

 

Please don't bring your amateur paranoid cuckoo-kachoo investing "tips" into this. Oh, and I was referencing your silly paranoid comments that "he's probably Dogg" (and I still have no clue who that is, beyond some guy who posted on the old board, and still has a startlingly creepy lasting effect on many people here ... get over it) and that I have a "collection of forums" on which I post and/or do this kind of posting.

 

I didn't say anything about any Dogg character, I dunno who that is other than some old legendary creeper on the MLB Jays board. Who's the paranoid one now? Hearing voices in your head again, Coppy?

[LTR]

I didn't say anything about any Dogg character, I dunno who that is other than some old legendary creeper on the MLB Jays board. Who's the paranoid one now? Hearing voices in your head again, Coppy?

 

FYI: Dogg = RealAccountant (prob a few other accounts too)

[Stangstag]

What the f*** is happening in here

[KingKat]

 

It will have a negligible effect, at best. It shouldn't have any effect, really. It just adds to the fun. It's just some extra spice. Kick it up a notch, and all that.

 

 

This is an incredibly naive, simplistic if not frankly idiotic way to think. I mean you can get away with it by being in a position of power or contributing value in other ways but it's certainly not going to make your life any easier. You constantly take what other people say in the least generous, most negative light, you constantly nit-pic and talk down to people and you never give any credit to anyone other than yourself and then you wonder why you're a lightning rod. FFS, you should at least own up to your own m.o. If you don't see any value in relationship building and want to act like an entitled jerk then at least own up to it and don't go around complaining that the board has more patience with Spanky or with anyone else than it does with you.

[Molitor]

Heads are going to be rolling is a metaphor for firing. Learn it, love it.

 

Please don't bring your amateur paranoid cuckoo-kachoo investing "tips" into this. Oh, and I was referencing your silly paranoid comments that "he's probably Dogg" (and I still have no clue who that is, beyond some guy who posted on the old board, and still has a startlingly creepy lasting effect on many people here ... get over it) and that I have a "collection of forums" on which I post and/or do this kind of posting.

 

Totally picturing this:

[Boxcar]

This is an incredibly naive, simplistic if not frankly idiotic way to think. I mean you can get away with it by being in a position of power or contributing value in other ways but it's certainly not going to make your life any easier. You constantly take what other people say in the least generous, most negative light, you constantly nit-pic and talk down to people and you never give any credit to anyone other than yourself and then you wonder why you're a lightning rod. FFS, you should at least own up to your own m.o. If you don't see any value in relationship building and want to act like an entitled jerk then at least own up to it and don't go around complaining that the board has more patience with Spanky or with anyone else than it does with you.

 

I don't want to get in the middle but I can't think of a time where moogy ever wondered why he is a lightning rod. I don't think you get his persona.

[KingKat]

I don't want to get in the middle but I can't think of a time where moogy ever wondered why he is a lightning rod. I don't think you get his persona.

 

You might be right and I probably shouldn't bother but once, just once, I'd like to finally get through to him. Every now and then, it seems like I hit a nerve but he always retreats back to his "I am the master" posturing. So frustrating. I'm usually pretty good at finding ways to relate to other people, finding common grounds, opportunities for civil exchange but with Moogy we just go around in circles. He seems to really hate me which though midly amusing really isn't my end game at all.

[KingKat]

I understand, far better than you, what I'm doing, and the ramifications thereof.

 

Care to enlighten me? If you're not going to change then it seems like the least you could do is come clean on whatever it is that you do. Whenever the suggestion is made that you are just trolling, that this is just some kind of disingenuous persona, a game where you use your rhetorical skills to irritate and anatagonize, you bristle at that. You genuinely seem insulted at the suggestion. But when you are called out on the many ways in which you needlessly annoy and antagonize people, you show no real desire to change and to have better interactions.

[LTR]

Welcome to the suck zone

 

[Olerud363]

The piece your missing ... or one of the pieces ... is that there's nothing to "get through to [me]." I understand, far better than you, what I'm doing, and the ramifications thereof. It's kind of like some caveman trying to tell Stephen Hawking that he should reassess his scientific thinking, because the Earth is the center of the universe (except I think "cavemen" had a better grasp of the English language than KreepyKat).

 

Bow before Moogie.

 

Moogie's life story

 

Born 1973 to wealthy parents.

 

Intelligent Child, no friends because he was smarter than the others.

 

Double Bachelors in philosophy and math 1992

 

Travelled the world 1993-1995 -- disappeared into India for 4 of those months.

 

1996 Inherits 16.7 million dollars

 

1998 Law Degree -

 

2000 M.B.A.

 

2001 - helps Bush family broker safe passage of Saudi Citizens after 9/11

 

2002 - helps Jeffrey Loria, John Henry and Bud Selig broker Montreal, Florida, Boston franchise swap.

 

2003 - heavy investments in ammunitions pay off with start of Iraq War - net worth increases to several hundred million

 

2004 - Holds Secret meetings with Peter Fitzgerald and Carol Moseley Braun and convinces both to not participate in 2004 Illinois State Senate race. Soon after a struggling unknown state senator, Barack Obama wins democratic primary.

 

July 2004 - Travels to Chicago and holds several meeting with Tribune staff. Soon after Republican Jack Ryan Sex Scandal breaks, Barack Obama left without Opponent.

 

August 2004 - funds swift vote veterans for truth

 

January 2006 - Transfers all holdings out of Bear Sterns and Merryll Lynch.

 

Summer 2006 - Reverses course and shorts defense companies, starts heavy campaign donations to Democratic candidates for congress.

 

Summer 2007 - shorts all financial companies

 

Summer 2008 - Sarah Palin announced as John McCains running mate - Off the record senior campaign staff hint this seemingly ludicrous decision was forced by unknown big-time campaign financier.

 

November 2008 - Barack Obama elected president

 

December 2008 - Senior staff are mystified at choices of Hilary Clinton for Secretary of State and Tim Gietner for Treasury, hint decision was forced by unknown campaign financier.

 

March 2009 - Re-invests in U.S. and Global Stock Markets, Net worth several billion.

 

October 2012 - For unknown reasons releases "Mitt Romney" 47% tape

 

January 2013 - Completes personal direct fiber optic cables from Chicago to New York and London to New York

 

March 2013 - Completes personal satellite system which connect Hong Kong and Shanghai to New York

 

January 2014 - Heavy high frequency trading activity, net worth increases several times to the trillions,

 

March 2014 - retires to a life of leisure, all time now spent trolling the Blue Jays Message Board

[RealAccountant]

Ahhh wall of text

[KingKat]

I've explained it ad nauseum, so I don't think enlightenment is in your future. Trolling is something people do simply, and only, to either cause a purely emotional reaction, or to go off topic. I don't do that. Never have. Never will (again, with the exception of the obvious jokes, like the Boxy sheep-loving comment). There is always substance to what I'm posting. Even my most "off topic, personal" digs have something to them ... e.g. I don't post that you're a kreepykat-lover simply to invoke some negative feeling in you. I do so, so that you might see that you come off as a kreepy kat lover and might change your ways. It's quite easy to cut through my insults, see the substance, and respond to that, if you aren't emotionally infirm. And I also don't post negative or opposing views simply to get a rise out of people. Again, never have. Never will. I post them because I either believe in what I'm saying, or I believe what I'm responding to is wrong. Again, substantive. Not argumentative for the sake of argument. But argumentative in a substantive sense. Even while I'm calling you a kreepy kat loving dude with a white van and a stash of candy.

 

O.K. But since you don't really make any effort to be anything other than unpleasant, I'm just going to put you on ignore and be done with it. I really tire of the way you interact with people. It's incredibly condescending and you just don't seem to mind that it is. I find that seriously f***ed up but constantly telling you as much doesn't get us anywhere. I've tried being confrontational. I've tried sending olive branches. I'm tired of it. The only way it gets better is when you leave. I could keep pestering you in the hopes that you either change or leave but I'm already exhausted by this conversation alone. I don't enjoy my arguments with you. They are tedious. You get really hung up on certain word choices, you don't really seem to make any real effort to understand what I'm saying and instead want to dictate it to me. Overall you just seem to value me very little as a human being who might have something to say so frankly to hell with you. I give up.

[LTR]

Bow before Moogie.

 

Moogie's life story

 

Born 1973 to wealthy parents.

 

Intelligent Child, no friends because he was smarter than the others.

 

Double Bachelors in philosophy and math 1992

 

Travelled the world 1993-1995 -- disappeared into India for 4 of those months.

 

1996 Inherits 16.7 million dollars

 

1998 Law Degree -

 

2000 M.B.A.

 

2001 - helps Bush family broker safe passage of Saudi Citizens after 9/11

 

2002 - helps Jeffrey Loria, John Henry and Bud Selig broker Montreal, Florida, Boston franchise swap.

 

2003 - heavy investments in ammunitions pay off with start of Iraq War - net worth increases to several hundred million

 

2004 - Holds Secret meetings with Peter Fitzgerald and Carol Moseley Braun and convinces both to not participate in 2004 Illinois State Senate race. Soon after a struggling unknown state senator, Barack Obama wins democratic primary.

 

July 2004 - Travels to Chicago and holds several meeting with Tribune staff. Soon after Republican Jack Ryan Sex Scandal breaks, Barack Obama left without Opponent.

 

August 2004 - funds swift vote veterans for truth

 

January 2006 - Transfers all holdings out of Bear Sterns and Merryll Lynch.

 

Summer 2006 - Reverses course and shorts defense companies, starts heavy campaign donations to Democratic candidates for congress.

 

Summer 2007 - shorts all financial companies

 

Summer 2008 - Sarah Palin announced as John McCains running mate - Off the record senior campaign staff hint this seemingly ludicrous decision was forced by unknown big-time campaign financier.

 

November 2008 - Barack Obama elected president

 

December 2008 - Senior staff are mystified at choices of Hilary Clinton for Secretary of State and Tim Gietner for Treasury, hint decision was forced by unknown campaign financier.

 

March 2009 - Re-invests in U.S. and Global Stock Markets, Net worth several billion.

 

October 2012 - For unknown reasons releases "Mitt Romney" 47% tape

 

January 2013 - Completes personal direct fiber optic cables from Chicago to New York and London to New York

 

March 2013 - Completes personal satellite system which connect Hong Kong and Shanghai to New York

 

January 2014 - Heavy high frequency trading activity, net worth increases several times to the trillions,

 

March 2014 - retires to a life of leisure, all time now spent trolling the Blue Jays Message Board

 

Dude, I don't think you needed to write all that to achieve the desired punchline. Just my 2-cents.

[TheHurl]

I love it when Olerud jumps in

[Olerud363]

Dude, I don't think you needed to write all that to achieve the desired punchline. Just my 2-cents.

 

Moogy is one of a kind and is apparently some kind of an elitist with a hell of a life story...

 

I just couldn't do him justice in a concise way!

[LTR]

Moogy is one of a kind and is apparently some kind of an elitist with a hell of a life story...

 

I just couldn't do him justice in a concise way!

 

OK then, just give'r

[Dick_Pole]

Moogy is one of a kind and is apparently some kind of an elitist with a hell of a life story...

 

I just couldn't do him justice in a concise way!

 

Oh you know, Coppy's big important job required him to spend a lot of time during prime business hours today to speak down to KingKat, since, you know, COOs of investment firms have nothing better to do. I wonder if Coppy books personal time off in his Outlook calendar earmarked for BJMB talk down time?

 

Oh and his lengthy post at 8am just screams "successful business man and dedicated father" given this is the usual time that normal successful family men would spend having breakfast with their kids and getting them ready for school and commuting to work themselves....maybe even having a morning quickie with the wife. But no, that was also earmarked for BJMB time!

[Olerud363]

I love it when Olerud jumps in

 

This is an interesting topic. Moogie's point (before he derailed the thread) seemed to be that since the Rays pitching is all injured all these high tech efforts must mean s***...

 

On the other hand their pitching staff seems to be performing and Rays are in first.

[Olerud363]

Oh you know, Coppy's big important job required him to spend a lot of time during prime business hours today to speak down to KingKat, since, you know, COOs of investment firms have nothing better to do. I wonder if Coppy books personal time off in his Outlook calendar earmarked for BJMB talk down time?

 

Oh and his lengthy post at 8am just screams "successful business man and dedicated father" given this is the usual time that normal successful family men would spend having breakfast with their kids and getting them ready for school and commuting to work themselves....maybe even having a morning quickie with the wife. But no, that was also earmarked for BJMB time!

 

Most COO types I've known are very concise, very polite, and are everybody's best friend publicly.

 

Even if they will screw you behind your back and are phony as hell, they will still shake your hand, ask interesting questions about yourself, and generally make you feel good.

 

Moogy has none of the personality trades of COO types.

[Olerud363]

Oh you know, Coppy's big important job required him to spend a lot of time during prime business hours today to speak down to KingKat, since, you know, COOs of investment firms have nothing better to do. I wonder if Coppy books personal time off in his Outlook calendar earmarked for BJMB talk down time?

 

Oh and his lengthy post at 8am just screams "successful business man and dedicated father" given this is the usual time that normal successful family men would spend having breakfast with their kids and getting them ready for school and commuting to work themselves....maybe even having a morning quickie with the wife. But no, that was also earmarked for BJMB time!

 

AA is a good example of how "COO" types normally act. If you listen to AAs interviews he is very non threatening, friendly, not all that concise admittedly, but very positive to everybody...

 

AA - "Admittedly Dickey hasn't pitched as well as we hope, but at the time we acquired him it was an opportunity to acquire a Cy Young Winner, Paul supported the decision, the Scouts supported the decision, I signed off on the decision, the fans supported the decision at the time, Rogers supported it. And I understand that 3 years later the fans are frustrated, I feel for them, but Dickey is going to give us 200 innings, there are no guarentees a young player can do that, I understand what the fans are going through, but the teams 2 games out of first, lets see how it plays out."

 

Complimentary to everybody, non threatening. -- that's part of how these types get ahead.

[LTR]

Oh you know, Coppy's big important job required him to spend a lot of time during prime business hours today to speak down to KingKat, since, you know, COOs of investment firms have nothing better to do. I wonder if Coppy books personal time off in his Outlook calendar earmarked for BJMB talk down time?

 

Oh and his lengthy post at 8am just screams "successful business man and dedicated father" given this is the usual time that normal successful family men would spend having breakfast with their kids and getting them ready for school and commuting to work themselves....maybe even having a morning quickie with the wife. But no, that was also earmarked for BJMB time!

 

He also spends his leisure time cheating on his wife (and kids, mind you), not saying, just saying.

[Dick_Pole]

You really are especially bad at this. You have to try to be this bad. 8 am? Hanging out eating breakfast? What, am I going to my 9-5 cashier job down the street? I'm commuting, at the office, or working from home, sparky. Like everyone else with a meaningful job in or around the city.

 

Whilst you may need to remind yourself, and set aside time, to post ... the majority of functioning folks can post on the fly. In fits and spurts. Waiting for a train. Riding in the back of a car. Waiting for a meeting to start. On the shitter.

 

It's really not an issue.

 

Your message is, essentially, that one must be a complete waste of flesh to have time to post on a message board. Yet, here you are. Congrats on insulting yourself.

 

I guess you can't read the part where I said commuting. I left a bunch of options open, none of which involve you spending your precious time as a successful business man or father usefully.

 

So let me get this straight...while waiting for meetings or in the back of a cab you're drooling on your iPhone posting like a madman on this site...got nothing better to do than to pick fights with online Canadians who share the same favourite team as yourself? Ok then!

[L54]

The piece your missing ... or one of the pieces ... is that there's nothing to "get through to [me]." I understand, far better than you, what I'm doing, and the ramifications thereof. It's kind of like some caveman trying to tell Stephen Hawking that he should reassess his scientific thinking, because the Earth is the center of the universe (except I think "cavemen" had a better grasp of the English language than KreepyKat).

 

 

Apparently anyone can get into BU.

[Olerud363]

I guess you can't read the part where I said commuting. I left a bunch of options open, none of which involve you spending your precious time as a successful business man or father usefully.

 

So let me get this straight...while waiting for meetings or in the back of a cab you're drooling on your iPhone posting like a madman on this site...got nothing better to do than to pick fights with online Canadians who share the same favourite team as yourself? Ok then!

 

I find it hard to believe Moogy is able to type out all this crap on a hand-held. And he's been at it all morning. Has he been commuting all morning??

 

I am now picturing Moogy living in an executive cottage in the thousands islands area... he has a 3 and half hour commute every morning to down town Toronto, which he takes by private limousine, posting on Blue Jays Message Board all morning.

 

Anybody ever see that "Girl with the Dragon Tatoo" movie or read the book?? I picture Moogy like the bad guy in that film... executive cottage with a little dungeon for his lady friends.

[Olerud363]

We all picture you in a padded cell. So there's that.

 

So one theory that was going around a while ago is that Moogy/Copperweld is really Stoeten trolling us...

 

So there's that.

 

hmmmm....

 

Stoeten = some fat hipster dude who formally worked for Sportsnet (edit I think it was "the score") website (which as we all know was not affiliated with Rogers)... whatever Stoeten's weakness... his strength was the ability to quickly rip off wordy arrogant, web blogs, often with the punchline "so there's that"

 

Stoeten is currently employed on some sort of contract basis with various entities and runs his own site (named after himself).

 

If anybody would have the time to nurture and maintain the Moogy personality it would be Stoeten. He also has motivation since so many on this board make fun of him. (edit) Also this board probably took a lot of his traffic, as a place for Jays to hang out, so we hurt his livelihood.

 

So there's that!

[LTR]

So one theory that was going around a while ago is that Moogy/Copperweld is really Stoeten trolling us...

 

So there's that.

 

hmmmm....

 

Stoeten = some fat hipster dude who formally worked for Sportsnet (edit I think it was "the score") website (which as we all know was not affiliated with Rogers)... whatever Stoeten's weakness... his strength was the ability to quickly rip off wordy arrogant, web blogs, often with the punchline "so there's that"

 

Stoeten is currently employed on some sort of contract basis with various entities and runs his own site (named after himself).

 

If anybody would have the time to nurture and maintain the Moogy personality it would be Stoeten. He also has motivation since so many on this board make fun of him. (edit) Also this board probably took a lot of his traffic, as a place for Jays to hang out, so we hurt his livelihood.

 

So there's that!

 

Not the worst theory. Stoeten is also a dick and seems to have all the time in the world to post / write stupid s***.

[Olerud363]

Stoeten is doing very well for himself atm. He and Drew bring in nearly $1700 monthly with their podcast alone, which records once a week.

 

Well that would be 10000 a year for each of them... You'd need a few projects in that range to make a living....

 

And if he Stoeten is making 50 grand a more a year, working 5 hours a week... well that fits the theory. He'd have all the time in the world to be Moogie.

[LTR]

Stoeten is doing very well for himself atm. He and Drew bring in nearly $1700 monthly with their podcast alone, which records once a week.

 

His podcast ended months ago, no? Also it's not surprising he would be doing well when the next option for Blue Jays podcast is Mike Wilner or Jeff Blair. Stoeten also knows how to improve his SEO/popularity by spamming the interwebs.

[TheHurl]

Stoeten is doing very well for himself atm. He and Drew bring in nearly $1700 monthly with their podcast alone, which records once a week.

 

you make money on free podcasts?

[NorthOf49]

you make money on free podcasts?

Yes. They aren't pure loss leaders anymore.