interesting trade idea: Carlos Gomez

Orgfiller · May 25, 2015

I think Edwin and bautista would have more value. Maybe not Bautista if he can't play RF but those guys seem to have more value because of how much power and HR they have hit. Not saying its right but thats just the way I see their value around the league.

Gomez is younger, on a comparable yet cheaper deal, and doesn't rely fully on his offense to gain value. I'd say he's easily as valuable if not more than both Bautista and Edwin.

IronLadle · May 25, 2015

If Gomez cost Pompey + Castro I make that trade everyday a week. Are people forgetting just how good Gomez was the last 2 years? Thats a couplr wins added this year and next year at least. I feel the Brewers could get a better package though.

Gomez or someone else, the Jays need to acquire another OF for this year. And hopefully soon.

We need to realize were not a good team and start rebuilding, we should be sellers not buyers.

GD · May 25, 2015

Bautista = Gomez (slightly)> Edwin imo

GD · May 25, 2015

We need to realize were not a good team and start rebuilding, we should be sellers not buyers.

I wouldn't say rebuilding. If we dealt one of Edwin and JB for MLB ready useful guys, then dealt the other for the pieces we needed to land Gomez, we'd be in a pretty nice position.

Martin

Donaldson

Travis

Gomez

Pompey

Norris

Hutchison

Hoffman

Osuna

Sanchez?? lol

++ various useful guys from JB/Edwin

that's a good core

Orgfiller · May 25, 2015

Bautista = Gomez (slightly)> Edwin imo

Edwin's DH/below average 1B defense really kills a lot of his value.

BigCecil · May 25, 2015

Likely would require Norris + Pompey.

Yup. The Pompey part makes total sense but the addition by that much subtraction with an arm that is/could contribute wins this year doesn't. Maybe Castro does it.

Hard to argue with Gomez production and the value in that contract - especially with the triage in our OF.

IronLadle · May 25, 2015

I wouldn't say rebuilding. If we dealt one of Edwin and JB for MLB ready useful guys, then dealt the other for the pieces we needed to land Gomez, we'd be in a pretty nice position.

Martin
Donaldson
Travis
Gomez
Pompey
Norris
Hutchison
Hoffman
Osuna
Sanchez?? lol

++ various useful guys from JB/Edwin

that's a good core

Gomez is a free agent after 2016, the same problem as JB and EE. We need to develop some of our prospects before we start buying, those prospects you listed are potentially good but we don't know for sure yet.

fatcowxlive · May 25, 2015

FWIW, Pompey probably doesn't net a player of Gomez's caliber. However, it's still not the best thinking that we need a pitcher more than we need a 5 WAR CF, you take your wins any way that you can. Gomez is probably at worst a 2-3 win improvement over our next best option at CF. Saunders gets injured a lot, we have to face that, he clearly wasn't 100% in his time with the big league club.

A wise man once said: "a win is a win is a win".

I'm saying instead of a 5WAR OF lets get a 5 WAR SP. Lets get a Hamels instead of a Gomez. Equal impact players but rather someone to stabilize the rotation than to mash with the rest of the offence

GD · May 25, 2015

Gomez is a free agent after 2016, the same problem as JB and EE. We need to develop some of our prospects before we start buying, those prospects you listed are potentially good but we don't know for sure yet.

oh i must have misread one of the earlier posts ITT I thought he had more control than that

Doesn't matter though. You can lock him up long term. The issue with locking up JB/EE long term is that they don't play premium positions and their bodies are breaking down.

BigBounceyBlueBalls · May 25, 2015

Gomez is younger, on a comparable yet cheaper deal, and doesn't rely fully on his offense to gain value. I'd say he's easily as valuable if not more than both Bautista and Edwin.

Oh so we are back to Defense is a thing now again! Pffft lol

burlingtonbandit · May 25, 2015

Gomez is younger, on a comparable yet cheaper deal, and doesn't rely fully on his offense to gain value. I'd say he's easily as valuable if not more than both Bautista and Edwin.

In terms of value to a team I would agree but I'm saying theres GMs out there who would give up more to get Edwin because of the offence he provides. Power hitters seem to get paid more than they are worth.

GD · May 25, 2015

Oh so we are back to Defense is a thing now again! Pffft lol

was defense not a thing at some point

TilsonBritoFan · May 25, 2015

According to the article I posted, Dave Cameron wrote that the Brewers could expect a couple low end top 100 prospects. So Pompey (who is top 50 in most peoples eyes) and Castro might get it done. No way to tell obviously.

But getting Gomez would give us another guy under cheap control for next 2 years to go along with EE and JBau, and if then instead of resigning JBau and EE, let them walk and we go forward with a potential future 3-4 of JD and Gomez which isn't bad.

I realize its unlikely, but I'd love to see Gomez in CF.

GD · May 25, 2015

According to the article I posted, Dave Cameron wrote that the Brewers could expect a couple low end top 100 prospects. So Pompey (who is top 50 in most peoples eyes) and Castro might get it done. No way to tell obviously.

But getting Gomez would give us another guy under cheap control for next 2 years to go along with EE and JBau, and if then instead of resigning JBau and EE, let them walk and we go forward with a potential future 3-4 of JD and Gomez which isn't bad.

I realize its unlikely, but I'd love to see Gomez in CF.

Gomez fetches WAY more than this imo

IronLadle · May 25, 2015

According to the article I posted, Dave Cameron wrote that the Brewers could expect a couple low end top 100 prospects. So Pompey (who is top 50 in most peoples eyes) and Castro might get it done. No way to tell obviously.

But getting Gomez would give us another guy under cheap control for next 2 years to go along with EE and JBau, and if then instead of resigning JBau and EE, let them walk and we go forward with a potential future 3-4 of JD and Gomez which isn't bad.

I realize its unlikely, but I'd love to see Gomez in CF.

Are you insane? Letting Bautista and EE walk, we need the prospects and talent they can bring back. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Jays aren't winning next year. We don't have any reliable starter and the bullpen sucks.

Dick_Pole · May 25, 2015

Gomez fetches WAY more than this imo

Hire Pat Gillick and the Jays will get Gomez for Pompey and Goins done just like he got it done for Devo...might even get a marginal pitching prospect in return!

BTS · May 25, 2015

According to the article I posted, Dave Cameron wrote that the Brewers could expect a couple low end top 100 prospects. So Pompey (who is top 50 in most peoples eyes) and Castro might get it done. No way to tell obviously.

But getting Gomez would give us another guy under cheap control for next 2 years to go along with EE and JBau, and if then instead of resigning JBau and EE, let them walk and we go forward with a potential future 3-4 of JD and Gomez which isn't bad.

I realize its unlikely, but I'd love to see Gomez in CF.

I haven't read the article, but if Cameron said that he's wrong. 1.5 years of a possible top-10 player in the league will fetch more than that, unless that player is Josh Donaldson.

Orgfiller · May 25, 2015

I haven't read the article, but if Cameron said that he's wrong. 1.5 years of a possible top-10 player in the league will fetch more than that, unless that player is Josh Donaldson.

I'd say the package we gave up for Donaldson is still more than what we'd be giving up in this deal, although Donaldson is a lot more valuable.

FrozenRopes · May 26, 2015

Not a chance. Martin tried to kill him one day at PNC. He is also the idiot who did this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgShpF5mJY

TheHurl · May 26, 2015

I am just skimming through (because most of you are tough to stomach and I am eating) and I would like to point out that the AL East is weak. Even if Sanchez regresses, Norris had some pretty nice projections and there will be available pitchers to trade for that are rentals and won't cost a top spect. Expect improvements from the top 3 atarters. So if Gomez is available for Pompey (and I don't think he is) you have to consider it

NorthOf49 · May 26, 2015

I haven't read the article, but if Cameron said that he's wrong. 1.5 years of a possible top-10 player in the league will fetch more than that, unless that player is Josh Donaldson.

Cameron's whole thing recently is that proven players with 0.5-1.5 years of control don't fetch nearly as much as they used to and we should adjust our expectations.

And he's right to some extent. But two low-end guys is taking the concept too far. The Brewers could get a premier talent of some sort.

Boxcar · May 26, 2015

I'm saying instead of a 5WAR OF lets get a 5 WAR SP. Lets get a Hamels instead of a Gomez. Equal impact players but rather someone to stabilize the rotation than to mash with the rest of the offence

I feel like you're having a hard time with this win concept.

reedjohnsonfan · May 26, 2015

I have actually thought about this before. It seems to make sense in terms of the window of contention. If you take Garza's salary it makes a lot of sense to add both of those guys but we all know about the payroll restrictions.