GDT(3/3): Your Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sux - Dickey vs. Porcello - 6:10 PM ET

[jays4life19]

Gibbons on not pinch hitting for Thole:

 

lol Gibby.

[ElNik2013]

Thole > Saunder?

 

 

And Castro > Cecil?

[ElNik2013]

Would it be so egregious to give Smoak some ABs over either Bautista or EE right now?

 

For one, Bautista is nursing a sore shoulder and for 2, EE don't look right.

[jays4life19]

Alright so the solution here is to keep Gibby but have the 2 man Jays Analytics department make all the calls and put together optimal lineups daily with Gibby having the option to over ride decisions if said players were out doing Blow and Hookers until 4am the night before.

[BTS]

Alright so the solution here is to keep Gibby but have the 2 man Jays Analytics department make all the calls and put together optional lineups daily with Gibby having the option to over ride decisions if said players were out doing Blow and Hookers until 4am the night before.

 

School is over, so the analytics interns should be in the house. Sounds like a plan.

[Atothe]

Analytic interns for manager, new market inefficiency

[reedjohnsonfan]

Would it be so egregious to give Smoak some ABs over either Bautista or EE right now?

 

For one, Bautista is nursing a sore shoulder and for 2, EE don't look right.

 

Troll!

[reedjohnsonfan]

Analytic interns for manager, new market inefficiency

 

Except they'd lose the clubhouse within a few minutes. Also troll!

[glory]

Would it be so egregious to give Smoak some ABs over either Bautista or EE right now?

 

For one, Bautista is nursing a sore shoulder and for 2, EE don't look right.

 

Bautista should be on the DL until he can play the OF, and Smoak should be playing 1B. Reyes should not have been playing as much as he did with obvious rib issues that were not going to get better by playing more.

 

This team is run by morons.

[xposbrad]

Am I missing something? In an offseason where Scherzer, Lester, Shields, Santana, McCarthy, Miller, Robertson etc. etc. were available to the highest bidder we do jack s***, but now we're willing to blow our load and presumably a significant number of prospects on Cole Hamels?

 

If true, this is just batshit crazy.

 

Plenty of arms available next offseason as well. But that's the way the Jays work fyi. It's not like Reyes/MB weren't available as free agents just before the Jays traded for them.

[Jimcanuck]

If AA does indeed need to make the postseason in order to keep his job, that scares the s*** out of me. Jays have the youth on the team and on the farm to contend for many years, god forbid AA go all in and trade half of it away.

 

Stroman, Hoffman, Norris could be special.

[reedjohnsonfan]

If AA does indeed need to make the postseason in order to keep his job, that scares the s*** out of me. Jays have the youth on the team and on the farm to contend for many years, god forbid AA go all in and trade half of it away.

 

"Anyone else worried the Jays will make the playoffs?"

[Jimcanuck]

"Anyone else worried the Jays will make the playoffs?"

 

Not what i said. Playoffs would be great, but no guarantee even with Hamels and Papelbon. Trading the future and missing the playoffs would be a disaster.

 

The probability of making the playoffs (and winning the WS) is much higher through several years of contending with a young team than it is with an old team and gutted farm.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Not what i said. Playoffs would be great, but no guarantee even with Hamels and Papelbon. Trading the future and missing the playoffs would be a disaster.

 

The probability of making the playoffs (and winning the WS) is much higher through several years of contending with a young team than it is with an old team and gutted farm.

 

I misread your post, so my mistake. I agree, it would be annoying if they traded some guys and still missed to playoffs. The problem they are in is that they are quite possibly a win now team, at least in the eyes of management like you said and might need to make win now deals soon. But I wouldn't be too upset if they went that route.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So would a package of Reyes, castro, Shanchez, pillar and a PTBNL that turns out to be Dickey and Thole be enough ?

 

To get back Hamel, papelbon, Garcia and Galvis

[HERPDERP]

Do the Braves have any pitchers on their rotation that we could use?

 

We should do a mega blockbluster trade with them. Pitcher + Simmons + Freeman.

 

At that point I'll be willing to offer some combination like Hoffman, Sanchez, Castro, Nay, e.t.c. + Reyes

[ScientificReason]

Am I missing something? In an offseason where Scherzer, Lester, Shields, Santana, McCarthy, Miller, Robertson etc. etc. were available to the highest bidder we do jack s***, but now we're willing to blow our load and presumably a significant number of prospects on Cole Hamels?

 

If true, this is just batshit crazy.

 

Pretty much sums up why AA will lose his job after this year unless a miracle happens and the Jays make the playoffs.

[Governator]

Pretty much sums up why AA will lose his job after this year unless a miracle happens and the Jays make the playoffs.

 

To be fair, the rotation would look much different if Sanchez was swapped for Stroman. I think that's why AA never really pulled the trigger on a FA starter as we had an ace in the making and wasn't banking on having to fill 2 rotation spots to start the season.

 

If a trade for an ace happens, it's not because it was needed in the offseason but because our #1 went down in ST for the year and would need to be replaced in order to compete. There is a big difference.

 

Regardless he did jack s*** about the bullpen except added Estrada which I think was viewed as a depth piece for the rotation. Losing Janssen hurt this team but they presumed Sanchez would be his replacement. Stroman going down really created a ripple effect that was too late to fix.

[Mikeleelop]

So would a package of Reyes, castro, Shanchez, pillar and a PTBNL that turns out to be Dickey and Thole be enough ?

 

To get back Hamel, papelbon, Garcia and Galvis

 

umm, no not even close

[Mikeleelop]

Do the Braves have any pitchers on their rotation that we could use?

 

We should do a mega blockbluster trade with them. Pitcher + Simmons + Freeman.

 

At that point I'll be willing to offer some combination like Hoffman, Sanchez, Castro, Nay, e.t.c. + Reyes

 

teams don't trade generational SS talents, they just don't

[ScientificReason]

To be fair, the rotation would look much different if Sanchez was swapped for Stroman. I think that's why AA never really pulled the trigger on a FA starter as we had an ace in the making and wasn't banking on having to fill 2 rotation spots to start the season.

 

If a trade for an ace happens, it's not because it was needed in the offseason but because our #1 went down in ST for the year and would need to be replaced in order to compete. There is a big difference.

 

Regardless he did jack s*** about the bullpen except added Estrada which I think was viewed as a depth piece for the rotation. Losing Janssen hurt this team but they presumed Sanchez would be his replacement. Stroman going down really created a ripple effect that was too late to fix.

 

Even with stroman it is a very weak rotation and an even worse bullpen with many questions marks. Stroman himself has never got through an entire MLB season, who knows how he would have did a full season with hitters adjusting.

[Governator]

Even with stroman it is a very weak rotation and an even worse bullpen with many questions marks. Stroman himself has never got through an entire MLB season, who knows how he would have did a full season with hitters adjusting.

 

I don't know why you have a hard time believing there would be a difference in both the rotation & bullpen with Stroman here.

 

How does the bullpen become even worse with Sanchez in it? He's built for the pen, throwing 97 with movement for an inning is all that's needed from him just as it worked for over 2 months last season. He's reliable and consistent there.

 

Replacing a #5/6 with a #1/2 is also the biggest improvement a team can make to their rotation, so yes Stroman in there over Sanchez could very well be the difference maker. Stroman's numbers were just as good throughout his minors career that he transferred over to the majors when he started. He's proven he can get big leaguers out using 6 pitches, there's little reason to believe he can't continue that success especially with Martin calling.

[polar bear]

Amaro is probably asking for the moon. On his contract, Sanchez + Castro/Osuna seems fair. Shouldn't be giving up elite prospects (Pompey, Hoffman) for a FA contract.

 

Bautista Saunders and Encarnacion would work for me.

[glory]

Pretty much sums up why AA will lose his job after this year unless a miracle happens and the Jays make the playoffs.

 

Yep. Should have been patient like the Mets and let the winning come organically without sacrificing prospects. The fact that he traded so many prospects for players that were on free agent contracts is absurd. At least he has learned his lesson but it's too little too late.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

umm, no not even close

 

Why, explain yourself, justify your response oh wise one! Flip and easy responses do not cut it.

[Smokey]

I don't know why you have a hard time believing there would be a difference in both the rotation & bullpen with Stroman here.

 

I don't think anyone in their right mind can deny this. What I don't understand is why you'd even bring this up? Of course the team would be better with their best starter than without him. The problem here is that this team was overly reliant on a 23 year old who has thrown a total of 130 major league innings. I know the kid has plenty of upside and his injury was a bit of a fluke, but durability is kinda important for a frontline starter and there is no guarantee that he would have been the horse that this team needed. To go into the season with him being essentially your only frontline starter was a huge mistake for a team that is supposadly trying to contend.

[Governator]

I don't think anyone in their right mind can deny this. What I don't understand is why you'd even bring this up? Of course the team would be better with their best starter than without him. The problem here is that this team was overly reliant on a 23 year old who has thrown a total of 130 major league innings. I know the kid has plenty of upside and his injury was a bit of a fluke, but durability is kinda important for a frontline starter and there is no guarantee that he would have been the horse that this team needed. To go into the season with him being essentially your only frontline starter was a huge mistake for a team that is supposadly trying to contend.

 

People are questioning why would AA now give up anything for a front of the rotation starter when he could have just signed one in the offseason. The answer is simple, it wasn't a great need in the offseason when they had Stroman, now that he's gone they need to replace his production because Sanchez can't fill the void. Whether or not he was durable for the entire season no one can answer, but that's what the trade deadline can be used for. A rental.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Even with stroman it is a very weak rotation and an even worse bullpen with many questions marks. Stroman himself has never got through an entire MLB season, who knows how he would have did a full season with hitters adjusting.

 

Totally agree. Even with Stroman, it should have been a priority to get a starter and a proven reliever. Unfortunately they didn't have a lot of payroll space and used the little space available on a backloaded contract for a catcher. Even a guy like Jason Hammel would have been a nice signing, didn't have to be Shields/Lester.

[Smokey]

People are questioning why would AA now give up anything for a front of the rotation starter when he could have just signed one in the offseason. The answer is simple, it wasn't a great need in the offseason when they had Stroman, now that he's gone they need to replace his production because Sanchez can't fill the void. Whether or not he was durable for the entire season no one can answer, but that's what the trade deadline can be used for. A rental.

 

But that assessment was shortsighted even at the time. Considering the lack of upside from the other starters (although it's somewhat debatable with Hutch) this team really needed another frontline starter to be legitimately considered as contenders. It's the same story every year... Relying on everything to go smoothly in order to succeed and every year something miraculously goes wrong and we're left with a bunch of excuses.

[BTS]

Do the Braves have any pitchers on their rotation that we could use?

 

We should do a mega blockbluster trade with them. Pitcher + Simmons + Freeman.

 

At that point I'll be willing to offer some combination like Hoffman, Sanchez, Castro, Nay, e.t.c. + Reyes

 

Not even close.