GDT(3/3): Atlanta Braves @ Your Toronto Blue Jays - Miller vs. Norris - 1:07 PM ET

[RealAccountant]

Jays starters have been far worse. Given up the most walks and most HR in the AL and sport a collective fugly 5.14 ERA. When your starters get you to the 7th it makes the BP work much less and do much better. Too bad ours gets to the 5th, 5.23IP / starter to be exact. Our BP shouldn't have to pitch 4 innings / game.

 

There have at least been two direct losses due to the pen. The new York blow up and the Cecil blowup

[RealAccountant]

There have at least been two direct losses due to the pen. The new York blow up and the Cecil blowup

 

Also on April 14

 

So 3 out of the 4 one run losses are games where the bullpen surrendered the lead and we lost

[G-Snarls]

Also on April 14

 

So 3 out of the 4 one run losses are games where the bullpen surrendered the lead and we lost

 

The starter could also have given up fewer runs so that we had a bigger lead before handing it over to the pen

 

Or the offense could have scored more runs

 

Everything helps. I just think the starters have been the weakest link so far. (And not surprisingly I might add)

[HERPDERP]

I'm still high on Norris. He is getting beat by himself. His stuff has translated well into the bigs, it's just his control which has been s***, and now we have a good reason why. I actually wouldn't mind sending him to the minors for a month to get him past the dead-arm phase, but we have no one else available, so we gotta stick with the troubles.

 

Dickey is Dickey. He'll always disappoint me.

 

But I'm most concerned with Hutch. I don't know what is his problem.

[KingKat]

I'm still high on Norris. He is getting beat by himself. His stuff has translated well into the bigs, it's just his control which has been s***, and now we have a good reason why. I actually wouldn't mind sending him to the minors for a month to get him past the dead-arm phase, but we have no one else available, so we gotta stick with the troubles.

 

Dickey is Dickey. He'll always disappoint me.

 

But I'm most concerned with Hutch. I don't know what is his problem.

 

Anyone understand how dead arm periods work? Are they just something that can come and go at any point in the season and can happen to any pitcher?

[RealAccountant]

The starter could also have given up fewer runs so that we had a bigger lead before handing it over to the pen

 

Or the offense could have scored more runs

 

Everything helps. I just think the starters have been the weakest link so far. (And not surprisingly I might add)

 

There was very little AA could have done to improve SP. Our best guy went down. However he could have improved the pen and chose not to

[flafson]

Say, how's Johann doing????????

 

He's breathing and still throwing with his left hand.

[o2cui2i]

We really need 2 out of 3 or better this series. Don't want to be falling too far behind when it seems to be fairly even so far in the division.

[G-Snarls]

There was very little AA could have done to improve SP. Our best guy went down. However he could have improved the pen and chose not to

 

Here I pretty much agree with you. Yes, the bullpen would have been easier to improve. And he got a bit lucky TBH with Castro and Osuna.

[strochez]

I'm still high on Norris. He is getting beat by himself. His stuff has translated well into the bigs, it's just his control which has been s***, and now we have a good reason why. I actually wouldn't mind sending him to the minors for a month to get him past the dead-arm phase, but we have no one else available, so we gotta stick with the troubles.

 

Dead arm shouldn't take a month more, Lester got over it in relatively short order. Show Norris you believe in him and he'll pitch well after he gets over his dead arm phase. Just make sure Gibby has a quick hook.

[o2cui2i]

Here I pretty much agree with you. Yes, the bullpen would have been easier to improve. And he got a bit lucky TBH with Castro and Osuna.

 

a bit?? hope we can get rid of Navarro and get another arm as well as have Santana be helpful in a month or so.

[KingKat]

Dead arm shouldn't take a month more, Lester got over it in relatively short order.

 

How does one "get over" a dead arm phase? What exactly is it? I'm dying for some knowledge here.

[o2cui2i]

How does one "get over" a dead arm phase? What exactly is it? I'm dying for some knowledge here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_arm_syndrome

 

 

The shoulder is unstable and dislocation may come next. Dead arm syndrome will not go away on its own with rest—it must be treated. If there is a SLAP lesion, then surgery is needed to repair the problem. If the injury is caught before a SLAP tear, then physical therapy with stretching and exercise can restore it.

[Angrioter]

Hutch will be fine. 10.1% SwStr, 10.8 last year.

 

14 teams league: A guy offered me Hutchison for my Castro?

[KingKat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_arm_syndrome

 

 

The shoulder is unstable and dislocation may come next. Dead arm syndrome will not go away on its own with rest—it must be treated. If there is a SLAP lesion, then surgery is needed to repair the problem. If the injury is caught before a SLAP tear, then physical therapy with stretching and exercise can restore it.

 

Thanks. I didn't realize this wasn't just baseball parlance.

[KingKat]

Dead arm syndrome starts with repetitive motion and forces on the posterior capsule of the shoulder. The posterior capsule is a band of fibrous tissue that interconnects with tendons of the rotator cuff of the shoulder. Four muscles and their tendons make up the rotator cuff. They cover the outside of the shoulder to hold, protect and move the joint.Overuse can lead to a buildup of tissue around the posterior capsule called hypertrophy. The next step is tightness of the posterior capsule called posterior capsular contracture. This type of problem reduces the amount the shoulder can rotate inwardly.

Over time, with enough force, a tear may develop in the labrum. The labrum is a rim of cartilage around the shoulder socket to help hold the head of the humerus(upper arm) in the joint. This condition is called a superior labrum anterior posterior (SLAP) lesion. The final outcome in all these steps is the dead arm phenomenon.

The shoulder is unstable and dislocation may come next. Dead arm syndrome will not go away on its own with rest—it must be treated. If there is a SLAP lesion, then surgery is needed to repair the problem. If the injury is caught before a SLAP tear, then physical therapy with stretching and exercise can restore it.

It is common among baseball pitchers as they age. It can also happen to NFL quarterbacks.

 

Is it just me or does that not sound kind of awful? Either this is being trivialized or the expression "dead arm" is a bit of a misnomer for something more trivial than what's described above.

[strochez]

Is it just me or does that not sound kind of awful? Either this is being trivialized or the expression "dead arm" is a bit of a misnomer for something more trivial than what's described above.

 

I think "Dead Arm" makes it sound a lot more dramatic than it actually is. It basically just restricts motion in your arm temporarily and if you ignore the symptoms it could lead to something serious.

[Angrioter]

There's like 20 different Castro's. You need to be more specific.

 

Miguel Castro for Hutchison

[KingKat]

if you ignore the symptoms it could lead to something serious.

 

Isn't that exactly what he's doing?

[strochez]

Miguel Castro for Hutchison

 

It depends really on scoring and what you need but I think Castro has more value for the first half and Hutch has more value after the break.

[o2cui2i]

Is it just me or does that not sound kind of awful? Either this is being trivialized or the expression "dead arm" is a bit of a misnomer for something more trivial than what's described above.

 

I'm pretty sure it's called dead arm because you feel like your arm is just hanging lifeless and powerless. It's definitely not something try to work your way through.

[KingKat]

I'm pretty sure it's called dead arm because you feel like your arm is just hanging lifeless and powerless. It's definitely not something try to work your way through.

 

So why not throw him on the DL and give his spot to Estrada then?

[Spanky99]

Is it just me or does that not sound kind of awful? Either this is being trivialized or the expression "dead arm" is a bit of a misnomer for something more trivial than what's described above.

 

It's not good mate, most of the time rest is needed, if he pitches through it, well that's a different story.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-rock-positano-and-dr-joshua-s-dines/dead-arms-in-pitchers_b_217445.html

[o2cui2i]

So why not throw him on the DL and give his spot to Estrada then?

 

the team only has 3 MLB level starters.... Norris isn't even one of them so the DL for a couple weeks would be the long term smart thing to do, but the word smart doesn't get thrown around a lot when referring to what AA has done with the pitching this year.

[Spanky99]

So why not throw him on the DL and give his spot to Estrada then?

 

This will most likely happen, I hope.

[strochez]

I'm pretty sure it's called dead arm because you feel like your arm is just hanging lifeless and powerless. It's definitely not something try to work your way through.

 

Mark Buehrle and CC Sabathia say the opposite.

 

"You work through it and you know it'll come back," Sabathia says.

 

Mark Buehrle says, "We all go through periods where our arms are just a little tired. It's a long season and there are times where you might have thrown 60 or 70 innings but you feel like you've thrown 100.

"There are times where you haven't thrown in five days but you feel like you're thrown for 12 days in a row. I guess that's what I think of when I hear about dead arm."

 

Here's the link http://m.mlb.com/news/article/6526748/

[ScientificReason]

This pitching staff was giving me nightmares before the season started...they have done nothing to make them go away.

[KingKat]

the team only has 3 MLB level starters.... Norris isn't even one of them so the DL for a couple weeks would be the long term smart thing to do, but the word smart doesn't get thrown around a lot when referring to what AA has done with the pitching this year.

 

I don't typically blame the team for its injuries (it's a part of the game after all) but if Norris tears his labrum just so he can give the team few more inneficient innings, you can bet I'll place all the blame squarely on the organization. This is ridiculous. It sucks that Reyes and Norris are injured but denial is not a proper way of dealing with injurie. Put them on the DL ffs. Goins is being forced into action anyways and why is Estrada here if not for this very situation?

[o2cui2i]

Mark Buehrle and CC Sabathia say the opposite.

 

"You work through it and you know it'll come back," Sabathia says.

 

Mark Buehrle says, "We all go through periods where our arms are just a little tired. It's a long season and there are times where you might have thrown 60 or 70 innings but you feel like you've thrown 100.

"There are times where you haven't thrown in five days but you feel like you're thrown for 12 days in a row. I guess that's what I think of when I hear about dead arm."

 

Here's the link http://m.mlb.com/news/article/6526748/

 

being tired and actually having dead arm are not the same. building muscle means you break down the cells and rest them up to build tissue, having actual dead arm is a very bad thing and can lead to tears.... this tough it up s*** is BS. take it from a guy who has a tendon tear.

[KingKat]

Mark Buehrle and CC Sabathia say the opposite.

 

"You work through it and you know it'll come back," Sabathia says.

 

Mark Buehrle says, "We all go through periods where our arms are just a little tired. It's a long season and there are times where you might have thrown 60 or 70 innings but you feel like you've thrown 100.

"There are times where you haven't thrown in five days but you feel like you're thrown for 12 days in a row. I guess that's what I think of when I hear about dead arm."

 

Here's the link http://m.mlb.com/news/article/6526748/

 

Well f*** me... Seems like there's no way of knowing for sure if this is serious or not.