BlueJays not in on K-Rod, Soriano or Chamberlain

[RealAccountant]

lmao @ Real Accountant

 

Don't worry after Sunday you won't be hearing from me for about 6-8 weeks. I will be entrenched in the cricket world cup

[Ehjays]

If we have to worry about 2022 then we might as well close up shop now. We aren't fit to compete in mlb

 

First of all you might not need a fifth starter all the time at the start but Yeah you're right.....lets just run this team like a bunch of blind f***in idiots and backload every contract not worry about tomorrow

[G-Snarls]

First of all you might not need a fifth starter all the time at the start but Yeah you're right.....lets just run this team like a bunch of blind f***in idiots and backload every contract not worry about tomorrow

 

Only 4 off days in April/May combined. And one of them is the day after game 1 for some stupid reason.

[RealAccountant]

First of all you might not need a fifth starter all the time at the start but Yeah you're right.....lets just run this team like a bunch of blind f***in idiots and backload every contract not worry about tomorrow

 

Last year if Stroman had started the year in the rotation instead Dustin McGowan experiment

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Don't worry after Sunday you won't be hearing from me for about 6-8 weeks. I will be entrenched in the cricket world cup

 

Crickets from you! So to speak! Lol

[Ehjays]

Last year if Stroman had started the year in the rotation instead Dustin McGowan experiment

 

wtf

[Dick_Pole]

Don't worry after Sunday you won't be hearing from me for about 6-8 weeks. I will be entrenched in....

 

You had me...I really thought that sentence was going to end with "audit season"

[Deadpool]

Stroman spent a couple weeks in the bullpen before being moved into the rotation. I don't recall any stretching out period being involved.

 

Once again, neither Norris or Sanchez is equipped to pitch anywhere near 200 innings, so they'll either spend some time in the bullpen or be shut down toward the end of the year.

 

That whole "they sent him down to the minors, and he started down there - stretching him out - thing" didn't happen?

[jays76]

I would've preferred to have Janssen back on a 1yr contract myself, he would've been affordable and the rest of the bullpen would've sorted itself out. AA could be taking an unnecessary risk if this blows up in his face, I agree with all the sentiments that the pen is unpredictable and the closer role is overrated but if we start seeing blown saves and losing a handful of games we could experience the ugly flipside of all those cliches.

[glory]

Stroman spent a couple weeks in the bullpen before being moved into the rotation. I don't recall any stretching out period being involved.

 

Once again, neither Norris or Sanchez is equipped to pitch anywhere near 200 innings, so they'll either spend some time in the bullpen or be shut down toward the end of the year.

 

Stroman came up to pitch out of the pen, and did practically nothing for however long he was up (2 weeks?). They sent him back down to get stretched out again before calling him to start permanently. He was starting in AAA prior to that as well.

 

You can't just have someone pitch in the pen, and then immediately let them throw 100 pitches right out of the gate. It will take 2-3 starts to get their pitch counts to a level where they can sustain it going forward. If Estrada is in the pen, and then is needed to start, his first start will be something like 65 pitches (give or take), and then it will gradually go up after each start. They need depth that is already stretched out, whether it's Norris or someone else.

 

Norris starting in AAA will have way more benefits than not. Delay his service clock, keep him stretched out, a little more AAA seasoning, etc. If Norris absolutely dominates Spring Training, then maybe you consider it, but right now, if Sanchez is locked in for the pen, then Estrada is the defacto #5 starter. As he should be.

[Gorlak]

How many multiple inning stints is Estrada going to have as a long man? He'll throw 2 maybe 3 innings in a blow out but likely without any regularity. Expecting him to fill in when an injury occurs is going to take a few starts to build up his pitch count.

 

The way the Jays handled Stroman last year is how they should handle Norris.

 

So you think they will start Estrada in AAA? don't know why you think AA would be concerned with Estrada's health. They won't leave Estrada on the ML roster in the off chance a starter goes down, Estrada will be the long man until he proves he can't do it or a starter gets injured, At which point AA will either bring up Whomever or Estrada would start 5 days later. Norris should be brought up to start unless the bullpen ends up being terrible and he's needed to compete.

[Gorlak]

I think the bullpen as it stands now is Cecil, Loup, Estrada, Redman, Castro, two random waiver wire fodder quality pitchers. If Norris kills spring training the bullpen should be decent, If Sanchez starts they should acquire another good reliever.

[glory]

So you think they will start Estrada in AAA? don't know why you think AA would be concerned with Estrada's health. They won't leave Estrada on the ML roster in the off chance a starter goes down, Estrada will be the long man until he proves he can't do it or a starter gets injured, At which point AA will either bring up Whomever or Estrada would start 5 days later. Norris should be brought up to start unless the bullpen ends up being terrible and he's needed to compete.

 

No, I think Norris starts in AAA while Estrada is the fifth starter and Redmond is the long reliever.

 

I'm pointing out how Estrada/Sanchez in the pen and Norris in the rotation destroys the SP depth.

[Gorlak]

No, I think Norris starts in AAA while Estrada is the fifth starter and Redmond is the long reliever.

 

I'm pointing out how Estrada/Sanchez in the pen and Norris in the rotation destroys the SP depth.

 

It doesn't really change the depth. If Norris goes down Estrada can replace him instantly while Sanchez gets stretched out, or take over permanently. It does show how little depth the bullpen has though.

[Spanky99]

lmao @ Real Accountant

 

Zee/Dogg bro!

[Angrioter]

Rotation:

Dickey

Stroman

Buehrle

Hutchison

Estrada

 

 

Bullpen:

Cecil

Sanchez

Loup

Redmond

Rasmussen/Phil Coke

Drabek/Delabar/Infante/Lopez/West/Jenkins/Guilmet/etc

 

AAA:

Norris

Hendricks

Francis

Albers

Oramas

[Governator]

Rotation:

Dickey

Stroman

Buehrle

Hutchison

Estrada

 

 

Bullpen:

Cecil

Sanchez

Loup

Redmond

Rasmussen/Phil Coke

Drabek/Delabar/Infante/Lopez/West/Jenkins/Guilmet/etc

 

AAA:

Norris

Hendricks

Francis

Albers

Oramas

 

I agree with this. Though Luis Perez will make his way back at some point as a regular lefty over Rasmussen/coke.

[jays76]

Rotation:

Dickey

Stroman

Buehrle

Hutchison

Estrada

 

 

Bullpen:

Cecil

Sanchez

Loup

Redmond

Rasmussen/Phil Coke

Drabek/Delabar/Infante/Lopez/West/Jenkins/Guilmet/etc

 

AAA:

Norris

Hendricks

Francis

Albers

Oramas

 

Hopefully Estrada holds some value in the 5 spot and doesn't get jacked up constantly with the long ball.

 

Did we sign Coke to a contract?

[Brownie19]

Aren't the Jays due to convert a top prospect starter (who can't hack it as a starter) into a high leverage reliever? Ala Wade Davis, Cecil, Andrew Miller, etc?

 

I'm holding out hope that Drabek is hitting 97 MPH as a reliever....

 

In the meantime, AA - go get Zach McAllister and Josh Fields and call it an offseason man!!!

[Deadpool]

I think Cecil is recent enough that we aren't "due".

 

He was also drafted as a reliever, so he's a bit of a different case than the guys who started all through college. Admittedly, he was drafted with the idea of converting him into a starter...

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I think Cecil is recent enough that we aren't "due".

 

People just aren't buying Cecil as a closer. I know you and others keep flogging him, looking at his stats, but many are unconvinced.

[Governator]

People just aren't buying Cecil as a closer. I know you and others keep flogging him, looking at his stats, but many are unconvinced.

 

 

He's probably gotten us out of more jams in high leverage situations than any reliever in our pen the past 2 seasons. I think he can handle the 9th including 1/3rd the time going against 7,8,9 guys.

[Deadpool]

People just aren't buying Cecil as a closer. I know you and others keep flogging him, looking at his stats, but many are unconvinced.

 

If people aren't swayed by clear evidence, what are you gunna do? I've had enough recent arguments with anti-vaxxers that I'm just giving up on people who don't accept facts.

[glory]

I still have hope for Drabek. If his velocity is good then give him a shot.

[L54]

The pen really isn't as big of a concern anymore. The back end is solid with Cecil, Sanchez and Loup. AA has done a good job stockpiling guys who have some upside. It's not the sexiest way to do it, but then again 90% of fans had no idea who Holland, Davis and Herrera were last year until the post season anyway.

[BTS]

I'm a bit surprised that everyone just assumes Sanchez is going to be a back-end pen arm. He looked good in 2014, but there's a long history of control issues there and he doesn't miss bats.

[L54]

I'm a bit surprised that everyone just assumes Sanchez is going to be a back-end pen arm. He looked good in 2014, but there's a long history of control issues there and he doesn't miss bats.

 

I really can't envision a scenario where he doesn't start there. Estrada as the 5th starter, Norris to AAA and Sanchez to the pen.

 

A guy like Guilmet could end up being a viable option back there, but as it stands I believe that's how Gibby will use him.

[KingKat]

I'm a bit surprised that everyone just assumes Sanchez is going to be a back-end pen arm. He looked good in 2014, but there's a long history of control issues there and he doesn't miss bats.

 

Yeah I have been reading that a lot and not just here. Seems like all the websites, even the smart ones, make that assumption without really digging into it

[shortstop]

Just me or do we need 1 more reliever?

 

Cecil, Loup, Sanchez, Redmond are locks

Delabar imo will rebound

 

Even with 2 uncertainties, that's discomforting

[KingKat]

Just me or do we need 1 more reliever?

 

Cecil, Loup, Sanchez, Redmond are locks

Delabar imo will rebound

 

Even with 2 uncertainties, that's discomforting

 

Hendriks and Drabek are out of options so it's make or break for them. Estrada might be in the pen if he's not in the rotation. After that, you have guys like West, Infante, Lopez, Jenkins, Tepera, Rasmussen, etc.

 

Another established arm would be nice but I don't really find it all that worrisome to be honest.