Around Baseball 2015

[Abomination]

Boras meltdown in 3, 2, 1..

 

I really dislike Boras in general, but in this case he and Bryant have absolutely every right to blow up over this.

[HERPDERP]

Jose Bautista ‏@JoeyBats19 7m7 minutes ago

ahora brazos de lanzadores con operacion #TommyJohn solo duran 8 años comentario ignorante, traten de entender cuerpo humano antes de hablar

 

angrioter, my favorite mexican, please translate.

 

edit: nvm I saw he translated earlier in English.

 

I guess he's taking a dig at the Nationals?

[Angrioter]

Jose Bautista ‏@JoeyBats19 7m7 minutes ago

ahora brazos de lanzadores con operacion #TommyJohn solo duran 8 años comentario ignorante, traten de entender cuerpo humano antes de hablar

 

angrioter, my favorite mexican, please translate.

 

Now, arms with TJS only last 8 years. Ignorant comment, try to understand the human body before speaking.

[kcjaysfan]

Kind of cool little infographic:

 

The four-seam looks like a blurry Braves logo.

[glory]

Boras would love the Jays organization. They start a player's service clock at age 20 right out of A ball, and are starting like 6 or 7 rookies in a season they want to win. It's a shame Beeston won't allow a business relationship with Boras.

[Laika]

"Ersatz Baseball. MLB is not MLB without the best players. Kris excelled at every level and earned the right of entry. The CBA is at the apogee of wrongs incentivizing clubs. Kris is a professional and persevering. His work ethic and commitment is constant wherever he plays."

 

I like how there are Cubs fans that are mad about the Cubes trading 2 weeks of Bryant's 2015 season for his entire 2021 season.

 

Maybe the solution is to give teams a form of RFA control for a 7th season if the player was on an opening day roster to begin their first year (ignoring Sept callups previously) and ends up accruing exactly 6.000 years of service time before a future offseason.

 

So you would still let the player become a free agent, but it would be restricted in the sense that they could only field 1 year offers and their controlling team would get a right of first refusal - a chance to match or let them walk.

 

I read this idea on a blog a few weeks ago. ESPN?

[z3r0s]

I like how there are Cubs fans that are mad about the Cubes trading 2 weeks of Bryant's 2015 season for his entire 2021 season.

 

damn ownership just doesn't care about winning

[Laika]

MLBPA getting bent out of shape about the instrumental use of the CBA that they fairly agreed to is rich.

 

They had the opportunity to address this stuff in the recent round of bargaining and they chose not to. It's not like this type of service time manipulation is brand new.

[Laika]

Last case I remember that was similar was Harper, but no one really expected him to start the season at 19.

 

But the Super Two status provisions in the CBA are a clear attempt to ameliorate a recognized issue.

 

Although I suppose its entirely possible that this was recognized as an issue just not in this exact way, or to this exact degree, in past negotiations. If the issue was fully discussed and unpacked and these CBA terms were decided on, then the team is in the good. If it was never really addressed fully in negotiations then the "manipulation" by the teams doesn't look as kosher. The fact that teams themselves don't admit to manipulating service time, ever, kind of shows that they don't necessarily think that they are in the clear.

[z3r0s]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/indians-release-scott-downs.html

 

Downs anyone? Throwing well this spring.

[baseballsss]

I really dislike Boras in general, but in this case he and Bryant have absolutely every right to blow up over this.

 

Baseball is a business. Theo made the best business decision in terms of the future. Bryant could cry all he likes he's getting paid millions by his employer to do what they want him.

[RealAccountant]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/indians-release-scott-downs.html

 

Downs anyone? Throwing well this spring.

 

surprised to see the Indians just release him

 

Would have 0 problems seeing him with the Jays this year

[Abomination]

Baseball is a business. Theo made the best business decision in terms of the future. Bryant could cry all he likes he's getting paid millions by his employer to do what they want him.

 

Yeah, I get that. Theo has a right to keep him in the minors if he wants to, just as Bryant and Boras have the right to raise hell over it. This is something that really needs to get changed by MLB though.

 

Unless there's something really funky in his contract, I don't think he's being paid millions yet (at least not by his employer, he probably has some nice merchandising deals). MiLB players don't usually get a whole lot.

[Atothe]

Theo is smart to keep Bryant down considering there is no chance that he'll sign an extension. 2 weeks for an extra year is a brilliant trade off. Especially for a potential superstar

[z3r0s]

I suggest that free agency be abolished entirely and that all players get paid retroactively at the end of the season based on their performance (a combo of advanced batting and pitching metrics with more traditional ones for the dinosaurs + new generation fielding stats (as they are developed with MLB's next gen dealy)) compared to the league. The total pot is a percentage of a hockey style 'baseball revenue' number where the players pool get x%. Teams can keep or not keep players based on a know salary at the end of the year and that player can sign with another team based on their opportunity there and preference. Players will be 'insured' against injury by a fund that is part of the total pot, not making their full salary, but not getting nothing for not performing. Career ending injuries will be paid out as a portion of projected salary, incrementally over many years.

 

There are not compensation picks in the draft, all bonuses are fixed, and picks are based off reverse standings. Draft picks are tradable for current assets. Teams have little (or nothing to gain) by holding players back from the majors as there is no service time considerations and a less than peak production MiLB player (who is still developing) may still be better than a s***** old vet, so they may be called up sooner. Dynasties can be created for periods of time (which people like), but will likely eventually fall as their talent ages and they must replaced through the draft (which people also like). Home town groups of players can stay together, and not be broken up by salary cap (a-la the Blackhawks), but there should still be some competitive balance.

 

Making this ridiculous scenario up on the fly, all stemming from 'the service time issue'. what are peoples thoughts

[GD]

There would never be an agreement upon the evaluation. My dad has this idea all the time.

[Jimcanuck]

I suggest that free agency be abolished entirely and that all players get paid retroactively at the end of the season based on their performance (a combo of advanced batting and pitching metrics with more traditional ones for the dinosaurs + new generation fielding stats (as they are developed with MLB's next gen dealy)) compared to the league. The total pot is a percentage of a hockey style 'baseball revenue' number where the players pool get x%. Teams can keep or not keep players based on a know salary at the end of the year and that player can sign with another team based on their opportunity there and preference. Players will be 'insured' against injury by a fund that is part of the total pot, not making their full salary, but not getting nothing for not performing. Career ending injuries will be paid out as a portion of projected salary, incrementally over many years.

 

There are not compensation picks in the draft, all bonuses are fixed, and picks are based off reverse standings. Draft picks are tradable for current assets. Teams have little (or nothing to gain) by holding players back from the majors as there is no service time considerations and a less than peak production MiLB player (who is still developing) may still be better than a s***** old vet, so they may be called up sooner. Dynasties can be created for periods of time (which people like), but will likely eventually fall as their talent ages and they must replaced through the draft (which people also like). Home town groups of players can stay together, and not be broken up by salary cap (a-la the Blackhawks), but there should still be some competitive balance.

 

Making this ridiculous scenario up on the fly, all stemming from 'the service time issue'. what are peoples thoughts

 

How much does Romero get under this plan?

[Atothe]

How much does Romero get under this plan?

 

He would owe money to the bluejays in this scenario

[baseballsss]

Yeah, I get that. Theo has a right to keep him in the minors if he wants to, just as Bryant and Boras have the right to raise hell over it. This is something that really needs to get changed by MLB though.

 

Unless there's something really funky in his contract, I don't think he's being paid millions yet (at least not by his employer, he probably has some nice merchandising deals). MiLB players don't usually get a whole lot.

 

As someone mentioned he was drafted 2nd overall, he's getting paid millions. Even if he wasn't he is still under contract by the Cubs they can keep him in the minors all year if they wanted to. Obviously that won't happen and the Cuns would be stupid to do that but still.

 

Theo's a smart GM, what he is doing is not wrong and the players association won't win s*** when they try to sue the cubs.

[Spanky__99]

Would love to have him pitching for us this year instead of Buerhle...hope the old guy proves me wrong

 

You mean the same Beurhle that's proven you wrong the last 2 seasons?

[Atothe]

You mean the same Beurhle that's proven you wrong the last 2 seasons?

 

Spanky, this guy has proven himself to be ridiculous time and time again. Ignore him

[SaskJaysFan_2]

You mean the same Beurhle that's proven you wrong the last 2 seasons?

 

Hah, no kidding.

 

MB has no arm velo to lose. There is no reason to think he can't perform like he has for 3-4 more seasons. I actually wouldn't be angry if we re-signed him next year, but that seems doubtful with all the arms on the farm.

[flafson]

Hasn't his velocity dropped a bit this year?

I don't think i've seen him hit 86mph this spring, barely above 82mph.

[Brownie19]

Hasn't his velocity dropped a bit this year?

I don't think i've seen him hit 86mph this spring, barely above 82mph.

 

I don't think he hit 86 MPH at all last year...he's Jamie Moyer now.

[jays76]

Hah, no kidding.

 

MB has no arm velo to lose. There is no reason to think he can't perform like he has for 3-4 more seasons. I actually wouldn't be angry if we re-signed him next year, but that seems doubtful with all the arms on the farm.

 

Ideally it'd be great if we could ditch Dickey and re-sign Buehrle at 8-10M.

[z3r0s]

Good for a laugh

 

Orioles Acquire Audry Perez From Rockies

 

The 26-year-old has played just three games in the big leagues, but had a solid year at Triple-A last season (.292/.298/.419) with the Cardinals.

 

walked 4 times in 248 PA's

[Governator]

Good for a laugh

 

Orioles Acquire Audry Perez From Rockies

 

 

 

walked 4 times in 248 PA's

 

 

lol makes Juan Francisco look like Joey Bats.

[WryNGinger]

Good for a laugh

 

Orioles Acquire Audry Perez From Rockies

 

 

 

walked 4 times in 248 PA's

 

And they were probably intentional walks....

[Daniel Labude]

Spanky, this guy has proven himself to be ridiculous time and time again. Ignore him

7,000+ posts all in reply to spanky...

[Orgfiller]

Good for a laugh

 

Orioles Acquire Audry Perez From Rockies

 

 

 

walked 4 times in 248 PA's

 

I don't get the joke. - JP Arencibia.