Around Baseball 2015

[labadee]

As an alleged doctor, I find your unsubstantiated personal attack to be far more disturbing. If you have some knowledge to drop, drop it. If you don't, drop it. As I have friends who are pediatricians, and as one of my sons has been suspected of having mild ADHD, and has gone through much of the initial testing/diagnostics toward determining where/if he falls on the ADHD spectrum, and I've personally researched it extensively, out of parental concern, I'm always willing to hear more viewpoints and gather more information. But it has to be substantive.

 

lol you can throw the word "alleged" to try and discredit me all you want, but i'm still correct. It's not an unsubstantiated personal attack, i think it is fully justified. you think i'm like this with my patients, and you are very much wrong. i separate my personal and work life and when i'm on this forum, i'm just like everyone else here. i have an issue with you saying because it's a mental disorder, it's scary. Many Many people who suffer from mental disorders are highly functioning members of society. You may not have meant it, but it certainly sounded like that to me, hence why i said it sounded ignorant. I do not disagree with your notion that ADHD is on the rise, and research has shown that overstimulus may be the cause of ADHD, especially in the younger generations, that's why many experts say not to give your kids iPads at such a young age.

[jaysfan2014]

Yunel Escobar suffered an injury tonight:

 

[intentional wok]

Nightmaul making an early case to become the second board member I've blocked.

[TwistedLogic]

[Nightmaul]

Nightmaul making an early case to become the second board member I've blocked.

 

Why? Are you not a man?

[Swervin81]

 

I laughed way too hard at this.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Why? Are you not a man?

 

Really go back to whence you came from!!!

[labadee]

Nightmaul making an early case to become the second board member I've blocked.

 

who's the first?

[G-Snarls]

Banned nightmaul and deleted his obscene posts

 

Please alert us if a new account appears that looks like a return

Edited August 22, 2015 by G-Snarls

[intentional wok]

who's the first?

 

Without naming names I'll just say that his relentlessly positive analyses of the Jays' chances became one post too many for me.

 

Nightmaul is just posting like a perverted stalker though. What he said to BigCecil in another thread was indefensible. Mods deleted the posts though, and even the responses he got, which is good.

[GD]

Banned nightmaul

 

Please alert us if a new account appears that looks like a return

 

Hi yes there are about 14

[baubau]

PM sent

 

Bad trolls, whatcha want

Watcha want, whatcha gonna do?

When sheriff GD come for you

Tell me whatcha wanna do, whatcha gonna do?

[HERPDERP]

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 8m8 minutes ago

#Yankees plan to go forward with 6-man rotation

 

That rotation is going to be troublesome.

[Followthelight]

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 8m8 minutes ago

#Yankees plan to go forward with 6-man rotation

 

That rotation is going to be troublesome.

 

You think? I dunno the yanks pitching is good imo.

[baubau]

Just looking around fangraphs and wow, Votto has had a great come back this year. 5.5 WAR & 169 wRC+. That contract is still going to be nasty for the Reds down the road but at least last year looks like it was just due to injury and not regression.

[RealAccountant]

Why don't you guys just make GD a mod for ffs

[RealAccountant]

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 8m8 minutes ago

#Yankees plan to go forward with 6-man rotation

 

That rotation is going to be troublesome.

 

What a dumb move just tell fat CC to f*** off

[G-Snarls]

What a dumb move just tell fat CC to f*** off

 

As a Jays fan I like this move

 

We should be able to kill CC these days

[GD]

Just looking around fangraphs and wow, Votto has had a great come back this year. 5.5 WAR & 169 wRC+. That contract is still going to be nasty for the Reds down the road but at least last year looks like it was just due to injury and not regression.

 

We'll eat his contract in exchange for Todd Frazier!

[dineke]

Rather have Votto and his contract than giving Price 200+ million. Walk machines usually age pretty well right?

[GD]

Rather have Votto and his contract than giving Price 200+ million. Walk machines usually age pretty well right?

 

I'm not sure. Eyesight peaks.

[TwistedLogic]

Rather have Votto and his contract than giving Price 200+ million. Walk machines usually age pretty well right?

 

Votto's contract is ridiculous. I'd rather sign Zobrist and Kazmir for a total amount less than what either Votto or Price will be making.

[GD]

Votto's contract is ridiculous. I'd rather sign Zobrist and Kazmir for a total amount less than what either Votto or Price will be making.

 

You'd have to imagine you'd get assets back for taking it on, though.

[HERPDERP]

You think? I dunno the yanks pitching is good imo.

 

thats what I meant, Yankees rotation is real good

[TwistedLogic]

You'd have to imagine you'd get assets back for taking it on, though.

 

I don't think the Reds want to get rid of Votto that badly. If that time comes, I'd imagine that they'd be eating salary so they can receive better assets as opposed to dropping additional assets just to cut him.

 

I think it's kind of a moot point though. I don't see Rogers agreeing to take on that big of a contract, and if they ever could be convinced to make that commitment, the front office would probably prefer to spend those funds elsewhere.

 

Four of the five pitchers in the starting rotation right now are free agents at the end of the year. Even if you pick up Dickey's option, even if Stroman comes back strong, and even if you feel for whatever reason that you can rely on Hutch, there is literally nobody in the system who can reliably slot in behind them. Not a single valuable depth piece at Buffalo, and not a single major-league ready prospect.

 

You end up with a very shoddy rotation going into 2016, and if Rogers is suddenly feeling generous enough to make another 200M available for spending, you better be getting yourself some pretty good arms.

[GD]

I don't think the Reds want to get rid of Votto that badly. If that time comes, I'd imagine that they'd be eating salary so they can receive better assets as opposed to dropping additional assets just to cut him.

 

I think it's kind of a moot point though. I don't see Rogers agreeing to take on that big of a contract, and if they ever could be convinced to make that commitment, the front office would probably prefer to spend those funds elsewhere.

 

Four of the five pitchers in the starting rotation right now are free agents at the end of the year. Even if you pick up Dickey's option, even if Stroman comes back strong, and even if you feel for whatever reason that you can rely on Hutch, there is literally nobody in the system who can reliably slot in behind them. Not a single valuable depth piece at Buffalo, and not a single major-league ready prospect.

 

You end up with a very shoddy rotation going into 2016, and if Rogers is suddenly feeling generous enough to make another 200M available for spending, you better be getting yourself some pretty good arms.

 

It's definitely a moot point, but it's always fun to think about.

 

I think Votto's contract is probably past the point of salvageable value where you can get some good specs like the Phillies got with Hamels. They're going to rebuild, the Reds, and I can't imagine they'd want to have that hamstringing them through a rebuild when they're already cheap.

 

Of course, the Jays are a pretty terrible fit. You'd probably have to trade one of our big money players to make room and our future would get REALLY murky.

[saskjayfan]

Votto's contract is ridiculous. I'd rather sign Zobrist and Kazmir for a total amount less than what either Votto or Price will be making.

 

everyone assumed Joey wouldnt get 200 plate appearances this year. He earned his money this year. Who knows if he stays healthy....if he does, I like him giving you solid production well into his late 30s.

[TwistedLogic]

It's definitely a moot point, but it's always fun to think about.

 

I think Votto's contract is probably past the point of salvageable value where you can get some good specs like the Phillies got with Hamels. They're going to rebuild, the Reds, and I can't imagine they'd want to have that hamstringing them through a rebuild when they're already cheap.

 

Of course, the Jays are a pretty terrible fit. You'd probably have to trade one of our big money players to make room and our future would get REALLY murky.

 

I think one very interesting question going into the offseason is how much Zack Greinke is going to make. I don't expect him to get as little as Shields did, but I also don't expect him to get anywhere near as much as Price will. If you can get him for somewhere around or even below the Lester contract, he would be my #1 priority going into the winter.

 

everyone assumed Joey wouldnt get 200 plate appearances this year. He earned his money this year. Who knows if he stays healthy....if he does, I like him giving you solid production well into his late 30s.

 

What he's doing now is a far cry from what you can expect him to do 4 years from now. Votto is on a contract that you'd give to a 28 year old premium free agent on the 2016 market. Unless he has another gear in him that will bring him back to his prime and keep him there for another 4 or 5 seasons, there is no way that contract is anything but a bad investment.

 

Votto's contract banks on him becoming a hall of famer.

[GD]

I think one very interesting question going into the offseason is how much Zack Greinke is going to make. I don't expect him to get as little as Shields did, but I also don't expect him to get anywhere near as much as Price will. If you can get him for somewhere around or even below the Lester contract, he would be my #1 priority going into the winter.

 

I think Greinke gets a lot of money, honestly, he had that earned run streak. He's better than Lester was going into his FA by a good deal. 6/180?

[Atothe]

I think one very interesting question going into the offseason is how much Zack Greinke is going to make. I don't expect him to get as little as Shields did, but I also don't expect him to get anywhere near as much as Price will. If you can get him for somewhere around or even below the Lester contract, he would be my #1 priority going into the winter.

 

 

 

What he's doing now is a far cry from what you can expect him to do 4 years from now. Votto is on a contract that you'd give to a 28 year old premium free agent on the 2016 market. Unless he has another gear in him that will bring him back to his prime and keep him there for another 4 or 5 seasons, there is no way you can emerge from that contract with success.

 

I would give Grienke a 3 year deal with an opt out after the first.