Around Baseball 2015

[NotThatGuy]

He's intelligent, but mean, and his viewpoint is whatever viewpoint will get a rise out of someone else, the very definition of troll.

 

In one post on this thread he mentions that it is a serious problem that so many are being diagnosed and treated for ADD/ADHD and even speculates it may be a problem with the doctors/drugs (cough big pharm cough)

 

Yet in another thread he'll go on and on about how the biomed industry is pristine...

 

What? Again you're making up nonsense.

 

Are you trying to say that because I'm not convinced you were fired because your firm wanted to commit SERIOUS, SERIOUS securities fraud, among other company and life-crippling crimes, that I believe "the biomed industry is pristine"? Is that really your tragically flawed leap in logic?

 

And, I'd like to point out another flaw ... I tossed out possible explanations of what might be causing the increased incidences of diagnoses and utilization of drugs as treatment, but didn't say which was actually to blame, nor to what extent they might share blame. Nor did I ever draw a connection that if meds were being overprescribed that it was driven by a conspiracy between doctors and the pharmaceutical companies. THAT is entirely your own paranoia. Don't ascribe that thinking to others.

 

You write like a crazy person (rambling, horrible spelling and grammar, leaps in logic, off-topic comments and attributions that just don't follow from anything), and then you also tend to put forward "conspiracy" viewpoints. Do you really think it's trolling to question your sanity?

[MagicMike]

^This guy is seriously deranged. Like seriously. Who goes on like this? I'm afraid for him and anyone around him.

[Governator]

That is an excellent attitude to have. My point about the over-diagnosis of ADD/ADHD is that alot of parents hear that their child MIGHT have a problem, and they jump at the first chance to have their child on ADHD meds.

 

I believe that parents should have the same view as you do, but that is sadly not the case with the majority of ADHD cases.

 

 

Thanks. While that may be true that parents jump on getting their kids meds, keep in mind medication is often the only option both based on the severity of the case and a family's financial situation. Unfortunately, therapy is simply not cheap and for any minor ADHD diagnosis, it's often not covered by insurance or eligible for Government support. You apply for financial help but the CRA makes that decision based on your supported papers. So if you don't get financial help for therapy and a pill can help your son with his daily life, it could very much benefit him.

 

Consider summer camps even. If you sign your son up for a week summer camp, for the average kid there are tons of choices, just go to your community centre or look in a paper. There are programs that are free or at least good affordable options to keep them focused while out of school. Many kids with ADHD (or in our case Autism) may not be good fits for most of them. The 5 day special needs camps we put my son in costs $400-$500/week. Last month's program he cried and flipped out each day, he could hardly fall asleep at night because he was so afraid they might pressure him to try a cookie (yes a cookie). Anxiety can limit one's life if it's not treated one way or another, I certainly wouldn't judge someone or their parents because they are on medication for ADHD, that might be their only way to cope with life.

[Captain Adama]

back to baseball

 

entertaining read on the nastiness of Sale

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13476677/facing-chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-complete-nightmare

 

Dianna Russini is pretty smoking

[Olerud363]

typically interjecting these things as a dig on me, and often when he's not even invited to the conversation (he's simply an interloper, looking for a cheap dig).

 

Bow before Moogie!! Man of the people. Defender of the weak.

 

by the way, it is a message board, everyone is invited to the conversation for better or worse, you don't need an invitation. If you go over the line you can get uninvited (a.k.a. banned!), everyone is invited to the conversation as long as they follow a minimum set of rules.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I lived outside my entire childhood, I played baseball for 20+ years, I had severe asthma. Hospitalized 5 or 6 times when inhalers wouldn't stop the worst attacks. I don't see your point? Asthma is on the rise because doctors are too quick to make decisions? Okay doctor blue balls.

 

Boy did you miss the point, have a nice day!

[o2cui2i]

this is AROUND BASEBALL not the medical journal.

 

 

that's it. if you want to discuss ADHD, medicines and treatments, start a thread in the off topic section, but you are NOT allowed to continue hijacking this thread or any other for this discussion.

[o2cui2i]

Dianna Russini is pretty smoking

 

you'd need some climbing dear and would probably have time to learn how to yodel.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Wouldn't you rather over diagnose something like asthma instead of underdiagnosing it and them someone dies because they don't have access to meds?

 

I also have asthma and the thought of not having my own inhaler on me during an attack is a scary thought.

 

Real asthma sure but not all doctors are good! Some hand out s*** cause it's easier to medicate then really test or find out!

My point was a f***ing lazy ass kid 100 pounds overwieght and not active does not have more likely a result of being fat and lazy then asthma!

f***

[o2cui2i]

blah blah medical talk blah

 

dude... off topic

[Governator]

Trips off mound, throws 40mph pitch and gets the out.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/9/6/144368496/082015_hou_mchugh_pitch_med_ef9xkj7p.gif

[Captain Adama]

Real asthma sure but not all doctors are good! Some hand out s*** cause it's easier to medicate then really test or find out!

My point was a f***ing lazy ass kid 100 pounds overwieght and not active does not have more likely a result of being fat and lazy then asthma!

f***

 

My point still stands.

 

It's better than to be wrong and have the meds there than to be skeptical and blame the weight then the kid dies cause he actually does have asthma.

[NotThatGuy]

It's all good - I remind him how he cheats on his wife all the time. #ClassAct

 

Yeah, it's kind of like mocking Donaldson by reminding him how he's awesome at "the baseball." And it's cheats "with" his wife. Although, it's not cheating at all if it's purely sex, and all parties potentially affected are present, informed, consenting and participating.

[Captain Adama]

Trips off mound, throws 40mph pitch and gets the out.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/9/6/144368496/082015_hou_mchugh_pitch_med_ef9xkj7p.gif

 

Probably a more effective pitch than Diceky's knuckleball.

[o2cui2i]

Probably a more effective pitch than Diceky's knuckleball.

 

rocking the eephus pitch

[Followthelight]

The Phillies are hitting the ball well, don;t take away from them, they are not pushovers because of their record.

[NotThatGuy]

My point still stands.

 

It's better than to be wrong and have the meds there than to be skeptical and blame the weight then the kid dies cause he actually does have asthma.

 

 

Compare: I developed irregular heartbeats (felt like my heart was stopping, and then going to burst through my chest; or it was going so fast I thought was going to pass out) many years ago in college, that got more frequent and intense during law school. Saw a doctor a bunch of times about it. Couldn't find anything on an EKG during the visit, so they sent me on my way. As they got worse, with new doctors (different location), I'd end up taking trips to the ER. Often the irregular rhythm would have resolved itself before reaching the ER, and I was monitored and sent on my way. Regular follow-up visits had more EKGs with nothing found. So I was sent on my way. Eventually, they said "hey, if this is really getting in your way, maybe you have anxiety, and should see a psychiatrist." OK, so I did. We talked and I said "yes, I have anxiety every time this happens ... der ... but otherwise I'm quite chill." He prescribed me Ativan. So, now I feel completely sluggish and out of it AND I'm still getting the irregular heart beats. So this is fun. Finally I try another doctor. Shockingly, he suggests I wear a halter monitor for 24 hours. If I feel any episodes coming on, I just click a button, it records the event, and I then playback the event over the phone. I do that. I get 2 events during the 24 hours ... I record them, play them back, and I get a return phone call saying "you need to come in tomorrow, we're going to do an EP study, and possibly an ablation." I go in, they put me under, they do the study, find the causes (WPW and AFib - over 200 BPM), zap the holes in my heart shut, and I'm out and about the very next day. Take some beta blockers as a precaution for a couple months, ween myself off them, and I've been fine ever since.

 

The moral? The halter monitor? That's a very basic thing to recommend when someone is having these symptoms. Years of doctor's (multiple doctors) visits and ER trips could have been avoided just by getting this one test done in a timely fashion. Yet, instead, they went to meds before doing this simple step. The only "anxiety" I actually felt during this whole thing was the feeling when I was having an episode ... AND when I had to ween myself off the Ativan - now THAT created actual anxiety (and, after that, I was sure I hadn't been suffering from anxiety before, because ... well, that was not a good feeling, at all).

 

Yes, sometimes it's better to be cautious by overprescribing meds ... but other times it might be indicative of not investigating possibilities fully, and getting to the source of the problem (even if that source may end up being treated by medications). And this can be especially true when you're dealing with something as unsettled/uncertain as treating the noggin.

[Governator]

Compare: I developed irregular heartbeats (felt like my heart was stopping, and then going to burst through my chest; or it was going so fast I thought was going to pass out) many years ago in college, that got more frequent and intense during law school. Saw a doctor a bunch of times about it. Couldn't find anything on an EKG during the visit, so they sent me on my way. As they got worse, with new doctors (different location), I'd end up taking trips to the ER. Often the irregular rhythm would have resolved itself before reaching the ER, and I was monitored and sent on my way. Regular follow-up visits had more EKGs with nothing found. So I was sent on my way. Eventually, they said "hey, if this is really getting in your way, maybe you have anxiety, and should see a psychiatrist." OK, so I did. We talked and I said "yes, I have anxiety every time this happens ... der ... but otherwise I'm quite chill." He prescribed me Ativan. So, now I feel completely sluggish and out of it AND I'm still getting the irregular heart beats. So this is fun. Finally I try another doctor. Shockingly, he suggests I wear a halter monitor for 24 hours. If I feel any episodes coming on, I just click a button, it records the event, and I then playback the event over the phone. I do that. I get 2 events during the 24 hours ... I record them, play them back, and I get a return phone call saying "you need to come in tomorrow, we're going to do an EP study, and possibly an ablation." I go in, they put me under, they do the study, find the causes (WPW and AFib - over 200 BPM), zap the holes in my heart shut, and I'm out and about the very next day. Take some beta blockers as a precaution for a couple months, ween myself off them, and I've been fine ever since.

 

The moral? The halter monitor? That's a very basic thing to recommend when someone is having these symptoms. Years of doctor's (multiple doctors) visits and ER trips could have been avoided just by getting this one test done in a timely fashion. Yet, instead, they went to meds before doing this simple step. The only "anxiety" I actually felt during this whole thing was the feeling when I was having an episode ... AND when I had to ween myself off the Ativan - now THAT created actual anxiety (and, after that, I was sure I hadn't been suffering from anxiety before, because ... well, that was not a good feeling, at all).

 

Yes, sometimes it's better to be cautious by overprescribing meds ... but other times it might be indicative of not investigating possibilities fully, and getting to the source of the problem (even if that source may end up being treated by medications). And this can be especially true when you're dealing with something as unsettled/uncertain as treating the noggin.

 

Also, here's something about baseball:

http://www.amusingtime.com/images/01/chewbacca-playing-baseball-funny-picture.jpg

 

 

 

You can thank me later, I'm saving you from getting banned again.

[Captain Adama]

Yes, sometimes it's better to be cautious by overprescribing meds ... but other times it might be indicative of not investigating possibilities fully, and getting to the source of the problem (even if that source may end up being treated by medications). And this can be especially true when you're dealing with something as unsettled/uncertain as treating the noggin.

 

I agree completely, and it's pretty bad that you went through so many doctors until you found one that gave you a Halter. In the case of the fat kid with asthma, he should still get his inhaler, but your previous point is correct in that he should be put through a lifestyle intervention to try and control his weight.

[NotThatGuy]

This may have been discussed before, but the Dodgers are rocking a $300M payroll, and are 2.5 games away from not making the playoffs at all. And they're on a pace to have 4 less wins than last year.

 

Where be the Friedman Effect at, yo?

 

Apparently he went from running a club according to the bible of Fiscal Responsibility and Advanced Player Contribution Value Analysis, and burned it in favor of BOATS AND HOES!

[King_]

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/wfan-pranked-joe-benigno-hilarious-prank-sabermetrics.html?utm_content=buffer7e199&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Sabermetrics prank

[o2cui2i]

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/wfan-pranked-joe-benigno-hilarious-prank-sabermetrics.html?utm_content=buffer7e199&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Sabermetrics prank

 

why are you not using your original account?

[jays_fever]

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/wfan-pranked-joe-benigno-hilarious-prank-sabermetrics.html?utm_content=buffer7e199&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Sabermetrics prank

 

Prank or not, that guy is a complete tool

[43211234]

this is AROUND BASEBALL not the medical journal.

 

 

that's it. if you want to discuss ADHD, medicines and treatments, start a thread in the off topic section, but you are NOT allowed to continue hijacking this thread or any other for this discussion.

 

Who cares? One of the things I've always liked about this and the old forum was that threads often changed topics and the discussion might end far from where it began.

[Boxcar]

Who cares? One of the things I've always liked about this and the old forum was that threads often changed topics and the discussion might end far from where it began.

 

Watch out, talking back is a bannable offense.

[vdartanian]

An initial encounter occurred when I defended Wilner's writing style, but criticized his substance, whilst defending JFaS's substance, but criticizing his writing style (this was in a thread which was just an excuse for all to bash the hell out of Wilner for any and no reason at all - under the cover of a discussion of the Dickey Effect).

 

Down the rabbit hole we went ... although a lot of my posts were deleted when I was banned, I can tell/remember that within the thread GeorgiaPeach disparaged the casual fan (as in, completely attacked them in a ridiculous manner), I simply said they were necessary, and the source of eventual diehard fandom which all keeps the MLB motor running, and we should support casual fans, and educate them, as necessary. He wanted nothing to do with them, and I pointed out his past history of denying the Holocaust, wanting to gas the mentally retarded and other fun stuff he's said through the years, as evidence that maybe he's not the best judge of what we should and should not be doing/thinking. He responded by saying I care too much about the "weak and unfortunate." To help him see the errors of his crazy ways, I created a scenario where, as a security guard, he'd perhaps be considered "weak and unfortunate" in comparison to someone like me (a lawyer, an investments exec, etc.), and that I would care about him, as well, even though he was "weak and unfortunate." I was giving him context. Essentially, I was being the good guy, defending others ... and trying to convince a not so nice guy to change his views.

 

At that point Olerud stepped in and took my commentary re security guard and attorney/exec as an opportunity to make a stand about not liking "suits." He completely missed the point of what I was doing, and drove the discussion on yet another crazy tangent. He was rightfully mocked for bashing me, and suits, based off him not understanding what was happening, nor understanding an Anchorman reference (and thinking I was actually making a claim I wasn't making). Eventually, in one of his rambling hypothetical conversations for which he's infamous, he stated that I was making sexual comments to a young girl (about her mom). When I called him on that, because that's simply not acceptable to me ... I got banned.

 

No s***. That really happened. I stood up to a Holocaust-denier who belittled those who didn't think like him (e.g. a casual fan) and wanted to see the mentally-challenged being gassed, and was vilified for it. Then, a completely wrong-minded guy stepped in to fight (and he never even stopped after realizing he completely misunderstood what was going on), and I got banned for taking him to task for stating that I would make sexual comments to a little girl.

 

And everyone rejoiced. THAT was the start of my and Olerud's relationship.

 

See, Olerud brings up the fact that I took him to task over getting canned ... but that's not the whole story. I would never just go after someone for being fired, simply because they were fired. I don't remember the issue there, but he was using that claim (that he was wrongfully terminated from his employment), to support another dubious claim. I corrected him, and when he wouldn't relent, I used it for effect, but for a greater purpose. Not at all dissimilar for when I "mocked" GeorgiaPeach for his profession - not because I'm actually mocking his profession, but because I'm using that to provide context for that gentleman to understand a point - that being a small-minded, bigoted ahole isn't cool.

 

So, when Olerud wonders why someone like me could be so cold-hearted as to continually bring up this personal stuff, he needs to consider that it's almost always to make a larger point (like when he's in the middle of one of his rambling hypotheticals wherein he lies and exaggerates to support a dubious claim, and I want him to understand that we don't believe him), and that, perhaps, maybe it's also spurred on by the fact that in one of those rambling hypotheticals, he (inadvertently or not), painted me as someone who would make sexual comments about their mom to a little girl, and he never owned up to it, nor apologized ... but has continued, for quite some time, rambling on about his paranoid delusions about "suits," instead ... typically interjecting these things as a dig on me, and often when he's not even invited to the conversation (he's simply an interloper, looking for a cheap dig).

 

Olerud, unfortunately, it was YOU who got very personal with me. And when called on it, you actually are now playing the victim.

 

[NotThatGuy]

Watch out, talking back is a bannable offense.

 

 

http://fsa.zedge.net/content/1/3/2/3/2-606706-1323.jpg

 

Oh, bannable, not bananable.

[L54]

why are you not using your original account?

 

lol

 

To the principal's office, King!

[NotThatGuy]

 

Eh, bikers are pussies ... especially that guy.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

dude... off topic

 

How did you quote me, I never wrote or said this! Fram'd Mod for catcher, he's good ! Lol

 

 

Edit... I never said or wrote what you quoted by me!!! Wtf... Lol