Possible Bullpen Moves

[BlueJaysCC]

Shields would also be another clubhouse leader which would be good for the Jays younger pitchers however, the Redsox or Yankees might chase Shields if they miss out on Scherzer.

[BlueJaysCC]

Dickey's like 200 IP of guaranteed average ball + Dickey effect on a low AAV. No idea why people want to move him. If Martin can catch the knuckler, we can get a better backup and Dickey will be even more valuable now that he's only taking up one spot

I agree there is absolutely no reason to move Dickey unless the Jays can get an upgrade on Dickey. The most logical thing to do is have Martin catch Dickey and get rid of Thole

[GreekFatAss]

I think we still need a LOOGY for late inning match ups because I don't really view Loup as a traditional "lefty" in that he will come out to face one guy, he can get both lefties and rights out and can handle a full inning but lacks the stuff to shutdown a game in the late innings so would slide in as a mid relief.

 

One really good "stuff" righty for the 8th or 9th inning would really give the pen to go with Cecil *cough Clippard*.

 

Then we can survive with a mix of guys from the farm and guys like Jenkins for mid relief where hopefully 1-2 of the young guys can establish themselves enough that we can let the free agent Clippard's of the world go and just bump everyone else up a spot next year.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think we still need a LOOGY for late inning match ups because I don't really view Loup as a traditional "lefty" in that he will come out to face one guy, he can get both lefties and rights out and can handle a full inning but lacks the stuff to shutdown a game in the late innings so would slide in as a mid relief.

 

One really good "stuff" righty for the 8th or 9th inning would really give the pen to go with Cecil *cough Clippard*.

 

Then we can survive with a mix of guys from the farm and guys like Jenkins for mid relief where hopefully 1-2 of the young guys can establish themselves enough that we can let the free agent Clippard's of the world go and just bump everyone else up a spot next year.

 

You basically just said Loup can get both LH and RH hitters out but we need a guy for that role who can only get LH hitters out.

[GreekFatAss]

You basically just said Loup can get both LH and RH hitters out but we need a guy for that role who can only get LH hitters out.

 

No, I am saying that Loup is better then a LOOGY and with Cecil slated to be an 8th or 9th inning guy we would still need someone to come into Jams on the way to Cecil to strikeout the Ortiz' of the world.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

That's what a Shanchez Norris Castro etc etc etc can do! Plus we already own them!

 

Get Shields already!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Besides once you sign Shields nobody would even give a s*** about the pen and if you sign Janssen back!

 

Smoke n Mirrors effect! Lol

[King]

Janssen is seriously perfect for this team, and frankly, the general opinion towards him around these parts has gotten way overboard. Three straight seasons of brilliant work out of the pen from 2011-2013 (top 15 in the majors kind of brilliant), never posted negative value at any point in his career, and he entered the All Star break in 2014 with a 2.00 FIP and a 1.23 ERA. People have really been s***ing on him because of 23 bad innings in the second half of the season, after he got ludicrously sick and lost 8 pounds in 10 hours over the break.

 

If we're looking at bounce-back candidates like Romo, Ogando and Grilli, Janssen should be first on that list. And what blows is that I really don't think the Jays are looking at bringing him back. Whoever does give him a chance is probably going to get a steal.

 

Bring back Janssen, pick up Crain, trade Navarro for a third arm, and the bullpen is probably set.

 

Janssen had a ~3.5 xFIP entering the 2014 allstar break and his fastball velocity had already declined to ~88 MPH at that point. Strikeouts were way down (although the walks were too), it was only a matter time before he was blowing up in games for us. Which... he did, as he was utter s*** in the second half. Sickness or not.

 

He's not a good reliever anymore, it's time to cut bait and move on.

[burlingtonbandit]

Janssen had a ~3.5 xFIP entering the 2014 allstar break and his fastball velocity had already declined to ~88 MPH at that point. Strikeouts were way down (although the walks were too), it was only a matter time before he was blowing up in games for us. Which... he did, as he was utter s*** in the second half. Sickness or not.

 

He's not a good reliever anymore, it's time to cut bait and move on.

 

I was going to post this but glad you did the work for me. Everything before the ASB pointed to him declining anyways.

[ElNik2013]

Remember, Osuna, Castro and possibly Hoffman could move quickly and end up in the MLB bullpen in the 2nd half ala Sanchez this past season.

[glory]

Janssen's arm is held together with glue. The Jays got his best years. I don't want the Jays to be the team that is paying him $4M when his arm gives out.

[burlingtonbandit]

Remember, Osuna, Castro and possibly Hoffman could move quickly and end up in the MLB bullpen in the 2nd half ala Sanchez this past season.

 

I don't think there is any chance Hoffman comes up. They are going to want to monitor his progress in the minors after coming back from TJS.

[Spanky99]

I don't think there is any chance Hoffman comes up. They are going to want to monitor his progress in the minors after coming back from TJS.

 

This.

[ElNik2013]

I don't think there is any chance Hoffman comes up. They are going to want to monitor his progress in the minors after coming back from TJS.

 

 

I agree, but he could end up as high as AA if he pitches well. Regardless, 2 of 3 ain't bad.

[Spanky99]

I wonder, if the Jays are looking at recent DFA's in Germen and Varvaro, especially the latter, PTBNL, cash, C-spect, via trade. I can't see them making it out of the NL, nevermind making it to us. C'mon...Ogando/Crain and Varvaro, Alex...

[Key22]

Jays signed Wilton Lopez. Didn't you guys get the memo - AA landed his set-up/closer already.

 

Rob Rasmussan and Jeff Francis will be the LOOGYs

 

And we got Liam Hendriks and Estrada for the right side

 

AA said we were getting two relievers - And man he got us FOUR - count them FOUR. SO what is everyone worried about? Remember "Volatile Pens" The guy with the 2.50 ERA for 6 years in a row is volatile - so we can safely ignore Francis and his 9.00+ ERA last year - it's all just fluke with bull pens.

 

Beeston said the payroll will go up - but you guys forgot to ask an important question - "Does payroll mean Canadian or US dollars?" Payroll will go way up in CAD.

[saskjayfan]

Cecil

Loup

Sanchez

Estrada

Redmond

Jenkins

Delabar

Drabek

Romero

Rasmussen

 

I'm probably not going to get a lot of support for this but I could see an above average pen being made out of that group. It would probably depend on Drabek,Delabar and Romero pulling their collective heads out of their asses.All three are at a point in their careers where it's time to put up or shut up so there's definitely incentive.

 

Sanchez is going to be a starter next year.

[TDotttt2005]

Jays signed Wilton Lopez. Didn't you guys get the memo - AA landed his set-up/closer already.

 

Rob Rasmussan and Jeff Francis will be the LOOGYs

 

And we got Liam Hendriks and Estrada for the right side

 

AA said we were getting two relievers - And man he got us FOUR - count them FOUR. SO what is everyone worried about? Remember "Volatile Pens" The guy with the 2.50 ERA for 6 years in a row is volatile - so we can safely ignore Francis and his 9.00+ ERA last year - it's all just fluke with bull pens.

 

Beeston said the payroll will go up - but you guys forgot to ask an important question - "Does payroll mean Canadian or US dollars?" Payroll will go way up in CAD.

 

in CAD to Rubles, its gone way up. Joke is on the rest of the majors.

[TDotttt2005]

What a joke Wilner is. All offseason he's been mentioning Motte, but when the Cubs sign him, and Jays fans question it, he takes a swig of that rogers kool-aid, and come up with this gem. Basically everything the Jays do is right, everything they don't do is right.

 

 

Mike Wilner @Wilnerness590 · 12h 12 hours ago

 

I did want #Bluejays to sign Jason Motte, it's true. But I wanted them to sign him for about 1/3 of what #Cubs gave him. #NoLongerLowRisk

[LGBJ29]

Closer/set up.

 

and a 4 man rotation?

[KingKat]

What a joke Wilner is. All offseason he's been mentioning Motte, but when the Cubs sign him, and Jays fans question it, he takes a swig of that rogers kool-aid, and come up with this gem. Basically everything the Jays do is right, everything they don't do is right.

 

 

Mike Wilner @Wilnerness590 · 12h 12 hours ago

 

I did want #Bluejays to sign Jason Motte, it's true. But I wanted them to sign him for about 1/3 of what #Cubs gave him. #NoLongerLowRisk

 

What Wilner is saying isn't really different from what a lot of people on this board said. I don't think it's so obvious that he's being insincere here. Hard to tell because he's such a tool but he's not the only one calling it an overpay so meh.

[saskjayfan]

Norris is more of a finished product at this point. He'd be my pick to make the rotation this spring.

 

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of a revolving door approach to the fifth starter spot. They have a few pitchers that they'll want to monitor innings with. They should be looking at both getting Sanchez and Norris more innings than they got last year but not so many that they need to be shut down before year end.

 

Norris has pitched quite a few less innings than Sanchez. Sanchez will be the number 5 starter at the beginning of next year. I highly doubt out of Sanchez, hutch and Stroman that at least one of these guys won't have some injury issues even if they aren't that serious at some point during the season.

[LongTimeReader]

Sanchez is going to be a starter next year.

 

If he is I doubt it lasts

[TDotttt2005]

What Wilner is saying isn't really different from what a lot of people on this board said. I don't think it's so obvious that he's being insincere here. Hard to tell because he's such a tool but he's not the only one calling it an overpay so meh.

 

The difference is that people on this board would remain consistent, and call it an overpay if the Jays had signed him to an identical deal. Wilner, on the other hand, would be saying that its still a great low risk deal, no such thing as a bad 1-year deal, this is the price you have to pay in this market, etc. etc. etc.

[Olerud363]

What a joke Wilner is. All offseason he's been mentioning Motte, but when the Cubs sign him, and Jays fans question it, he takes a swig of that rogers kool-aid, and come up with this gem. Basically everything the Jays do is right, everything they don't do is right.

 

 

Mike Wilner @Wilnerness590 · 12h 12 hours ago

 

I did want #Bluejays to sign Jason Motte, it's true. But I wanted them to sign him for about 1/3 of what #Cubs gave him. #NoLongerLowRisk

 

Wilner = Grant??

 

No. Grant loves Cito. Wilner hates Cito.

 

When did Grant appear?? Maybe as part of keeping his job Rogers forced Wilner to create a fake identity and post love for Cito. I think Grant goes back farther then that though.

[JaysRap]

I was hoping for Jason Motte too. Yah well.... at this rate though hopefully AA has some mega deal in the works.

[Spanky99]

So no one has an opinion on Varvaro or Germen? Hmmm.....

[GD]

So no one has an opinion on Varvaro or Germen? Hmmm.....

 

I said Varvaro might be a nice pickup.

[TDotttt2005]

Wow, Rays just traded Matt Joyce to the Angels for Jepsen, who has closer stuff. Looks like going the trade route is going to be just as expensive in terms of talent, as the free agent market is in terms of dollars.

[Lawrie22]

Dodgers just designated brian Wilson. Would love the beard on the jays!!