Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 the Beest would have move Norris, Sanchez, Pompey by now
READERsince2006 Verified Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Speaking of 2B, why has Rickie Weeks gotten essentially 0 mention or speculation so far? I feel like he could be a great fallback option to consider. Fangraphs crowd projected him for a 2/12 deal and he seems to have rebounded pretty well with the bat this past season. His defense is still pretty bad and he's always K'd a lot, but hell, at that price tag, if you can throw down a 120 wRC+, I'll take it. Edit: Though he's right-handed; I don't think that should be a deterrent, but I get that the Jays FO is looking for lefties. Ive mentioned him as an option but as mentioned the defence is pretty bad and there are better stop gap options on the board, maybe weeks cant find a suiter and becomes a blue jay but wont be until the middle infield market becomes more barron
Laika Community Moderator Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Is UZR of any real utility for first basemen? EE: -11.6 runs per 150 games, career. Smoak: 0 runs per 150 games, career. Jays would benefit by roughly 1 full win by playing Smoak @ first everyday and keeping Edwin off the field. That extra 2%!
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 When you factor in positional adjustment, it's closer to half a win, I think. Which is still very important.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 One million dollars 1B is pretty sexy deal http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/1m.gif
reedjohnsonfan Verified Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Overall the news is disappointing. After non-tendering him there was hope they'd get a more capable 1B/DH. Maybe there is still some hope, at 1 million some team (Twins? Marlins if they can't sign anyone?) could pick up his contract.
Laika Community Moderator Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 When you factor in positional adjustment, it's closer to half a win, I think. Which is still very important. nu-uh. In runs per 600 PA, the positional adjustments add up to -30 either way (-12.5 1B and -17.5 DH). Doesn't matter who is playing where. You can put Smoak at first and have a neutral 1B, or you can bleed 11 runs with Edwin. Smoak @ 1B = -12.5 defensive value + Edwin @ DH = -17.5 defensive value = -30 for the team. Edwin @ 1B = -23.5 defensive value + Smoak @ DH = -17.5 defensive value = -41 for the team /MATH
Laika Community Moderator Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Overall the news is disappointing. After non-tendering him there was hope they'd get a more capable 1B/DH. Maybe there is still some hope, at 1 million some team (Twins? Marlins if they can't sign anyone?) could pick up his contract. Part of me just wants to see a more talented player at first base, but if they make upgrades at a couple of the 2B/LF/RP holes then I'd be fine with Smoak and honestly, I'm kind of intrigued about how he would do in a full season at the Rogers Centre. Also, it'll be nice to have a decent defensive 1B with the way Reyes' throws are spraying around at this point in his career. I think Donaldson is a bit of a loose cannon as well. With Smoak's tiny salary, he's still highly mobile and even viable as a bench player.
reedjohnsonfan Verified Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Part of me just wants to see a more talented player at first base, but if they make upgrades at a couple of the 2B/LF/RP holes then I'd be fine with Smoak and honestly, I'm kind of intrigued about how he would do in a full season at the Rogers Centre. Also, it'll be nice to have a decent defensive 1B with the way Reyes' throws are spraying around at this point in his career. I think Donaldson is a bit of a loose cannon as well. With Smoak's tiny salary, he's still highly mobile and even viable as a bench player. Some posters and fangraphs are telling me he's not very good defensively. He passes my eye test, granted only during Felix's starts. Plus he is 6'4, so should be passable at the very worst.
Laika Community Moderator Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Some posters and fangraphs are telling me he's not very good defensively. He passes my eye test, granted only during Felix's starts. Plus he is 6'4, so should be passable at the very worst. The defensive value that you see on Fangraphs includes the positional adjustment, which is -12.5 runs per 600PA for 1B. His UZR/150 games is pretty much zero - which means he's an average first baseman. I don't know why Fangraphs changed their default defensive display. It made more sense IMO to just show UZR so you could see defensive skill at their given position in any one year. Scouts like Smoak even more than that though I think. He had/has a rep as a very good defensive 1B.
reedjohnsonfan Verified Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 The defensive value that you see on Fangraphs includes the positional adjustment, which is -12.5 runs per 600PA for 1B. His UZR/150 games is pretty much zero - which means he's an average first baseman. I don't know why Fangraphs changed their default defensive display. It made more sense IMO to just show UZR so you could see defensive skill at their given position in any one year. Scouts like Smoak even more than that though I think. He had/has a rep as a very good defensive 1B. Thanks yes I had no clue wtf that was lol. Makes much more sense now.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 AA getting rid of all the pouty, snarky players - Lind, Janssen, Lawrie, Gose, Happ Who's next
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Bautista What? one of the best players in baseball just traded because he complains about umpire's strikezone?
Ziggyy108 Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 AA getting rid of all the pouty, snarky players - Lind, Janssen, Lawrie, Gose, Happ Who's next Most definitely Dickey
Ziggyy108 Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Bautista Everything AA has done the last 4 years has been building around Joey Bats. I don't think he'll wear another uniform.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Everything AA has done the last 4 years has been building around Joey Bats. I don't think he'll wear another uniform. Bats for Tulo, Reyes to LF, Saunders to RF. Bingo.
Statman Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 AA getting rid of all the pouty, snarky players - Lind, Janssen, Lawrie, Gose, Happ Who's next ...and everyone of those players was overvalued by the casual fan... f***ing AA is a f***ing genius this offseason
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 ...and everyone of those players was overvalued by the casual fan... f***ing AA is a f***ing genius this offseason Lind wasn't
Statman Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Lind wasn't Dat a fridge against RHP in between platoons and DL stints.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 I don't mind giving Smoak a chance at 1B/DH, especially after the Jays additions of Donaldson, Martin and Saunders. I think the lineup will be fine.
Dr Negative Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Low risk but the most likely scenario is that by May 2015 this board will be full of threads proposing trades for 1B/DH types.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Smoak isn't stupid. He knows he can hit and hit well at the Rogers Centre He is going to use it as a launching pad for his career, and become one of the biggest power hitters in the game
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Shhiiit, so FA will now give discounts to play in Canada!!!
READERsince2006 Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 not sure if this split is out there does anyone know smoaks numbers as a lefty vs rhp on the road those numbers over 400+ at bats would be very nice from a 7 hitter
wardhenke1 Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Shhiiit, so FA will now give discounts to play in Canada!!! But, the turf......
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 not sure if this split is out there does anyone know smoaks numbers as a lefty vs rhp on the road those numbers over 400+ at bats would be very nice from a 7 hitter G AB PA H 1B 2B 3B HR R RBI BB IBB SO HBP SF SH GDP SB CS AVG Away vs L 177 330 366 84 53 17 0 14 34 43 33 1 68 1 2 0 4 0 1 .255 Away vs R 247 682 765 159 107 23 0 29 79 84 77 1 193 3 3 0 16 0 0 .233 Away vs L wRC+ 111 Away vs R wRC+ 99
READERsince2006 Verified Member Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 not a great average but still good production overall he doesn't need to be exclusive to rhp as his numbers vs lhp aren't outstanding either, but valencias bat needs to be in vs lhp maybe smoak vs rhp exclusively will bring up his average but the power is there for sure could knock in a lot of runs with all the high OBP guys in front of him
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