Blue Jays had interest in...but was outbid for...

[TDotttt2005]

...AKA the Annual Offseason Carousel of Disappointment (OCOD)

 

Since this is the mantra of the current management, contact everyone, get outbid on everyone, lets discuss here.

 

VMart got 68 for 4 years. MVP type bat, but given this idea of 'streaming vets through the DH spot', didn't make much sense for him in Toronto. At least he wouldve fit in the 5-year policy.

 

Next Up on the OCOD

 

Russell Martin. Will the Jays pony up the $16mil per to bring Russell home? Lets see.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/cubs-appear-to-be-front-runners-for-russell-martin.html

[saskjayfan]

I think VMART would have been a terrible signing. I'm glad the Jays still have the money to attempt to buy Martin...which has a 99.4% chance of ending up came close but no cigar scenario as well.

[RealAccountant]

It is what it is

[Sammy225]

The v-mart deal was absolutely terrible there is no way that he should have been signed for more than 2 years. It was the right call not to make push on him if it was the case...... Anyone with half a brain could tell you that.

[RealAccountant]

^ vmart was not the answer. Melky and Martin are the answers we need

[TDotttt2005]

The v-mart deal was absolutely terrible there is no way that he should have been signed for more than 2 years. It was the right call not to make push on him if it was the case...... Anyone with half a brain could tell you that.

 

Its concerning that there are so many brainwashed Jays fans who, because of AA's over obsession with individual players' value in a vaccuum, have been bamboozled by the Rogers Media and Wilner-ilk into thinking every free agent signing is stupid, and are glad that their blue jays are smart enough not to get involved in such a thing.

 

Were you around in 93? Was Molitor a terrible signing signing then? Its a pretty similar situation, all else being equal. I feel that Jays fans back then had the winners mentality and applauded when their team made moves like this aimed at winning it all, just like the Tigers and Illitch are doing now. That was before the apologists and defenders in the media took over.

[Sammy225]

Its concerning that there are so many brainwashed Jays fans who, because of AA's over obsession with individual players' value in a vaccuum, have been bamboozled by the Rogers Media and Wilner-ilk into thinking every free agent signing is stupid, and are glad that their blue jays are smart enough not to get involved in such a thing.

 

Were you around in 93? Was Molitor a terrible signing signing then? Its a pretty similar situation, all else being equal. I feel that Jays fans back then had the winners mentality and applauded when their team made moves like this aimed at winning it all, just like the Tigers and Illitch are doing now. That was before the apologists and defenders in the media took over.

 

The big difference between 93 and now is that even signing V-mart it still is likely the only thing we are battling for is a wild card spot if that. Not to mention the last season of Molitors contract (95) he had a big drop off in his numbers(except OBP).... So ya i am not willing to give any 36 year old a contract that is longer than 2-3 years.

 

I am a firm believer that you do not over look the later years of a contract to help you now because those are always the contract that hurt you in the long run.

[LongTimeReader]

Don't care.

 

There's 30 MLB teams. I realize fans want to pretend like they're the only team but really you have to compete with up to 29 other teams. Usually there's half a dozen or more in on any given player so the odds are always going to be stacked against you.

[TDotttt2005]

 

I am a firm believer that you do not over look the later years of a contract to help you now because those are always the contract that hurt you in the long run.

 

This is my point about obsessing over individual player value in a vaccuum, which is what AA does, and its what the apologist sect of the Toronto media has accustomed Jays fans to do as well.

 

Would you give up the '93 world series to get back the money the team overpaid for the 1.3 WAR season in '95? Today's Blue Jays fan would've scoffed at giving Winfield 2 years in the 1992 offseason, Laughed at any team that gave Molitor 3-years, and wouldve been content with going into the '93 season with Darnell Coles and Turner Ward as their DH.

Edited November 17, 2014 by TDotttt2005

[Sammy225]

This is my point about obsessing over individual player value in a vaccuum, which is what AA does, and its what the apologist sect of the Toronto media has accustomed Jays fans to do as well.

 

Would you give up the '93 world series to get back the money the team overpaid for the 1.3 WAR season in '95?

 

When you are paying him to be a 3-5WAR type player yes i do have an issue with it. However like i said before however. The Jays had a way better core and were in position to make a run for another year or 2 (never know what happens in 94). This year V-Mart does not put you over the top. You likely have to had 1-2 more other solid signings to put them over and i don't think the money is there to get 2-3 solid players. I think you have to address your primary need which is 2nd or OF and be smart about your other additions whether that is trades or low risk signings (Chris Denorfia).

[Caper]

Everytime I think of AA negotiating for free agents... I think of this old Kids In The Hall skit.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBcPx8RvHR8

[TDotttt2005]

When you are paying him to be a 3-5WAR type player yes i do have an issue with it. However like i said before however. The Jays had a way better core and were in position to make a run for another year or 2 (never know what happens in 94). This year V-Mart does not put you over the top. You likely have to had 1-2 more other solid signings to put them over and i don't think the money is there to get 2-3 solid players. I think you have to address your primary need which is 2nd or OF and be smart about your other additions whether that is trades or low risk signings (Chris Denorfia).

 

Its fair if your argument is not to spend so much on Vmart, because him alone doesnt get us over the top. I can see that line of thinking, as you'd like to spread your finite resources out more. But if your argument is, as you originally said, that any contract thats over 2-years for Vmart is a bad contract, then youre looking at this through the too-narrow value obsessed prism which is the cause of the Blue Jays' mediocrity throughout the AA/Beeston era.

[TDotttt2005]

Everytime I think of AA negotiating for free agents... I think of this old Kids In The Hall skit.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBcPx8RvHR8

 

Every time AA gets outbid on a free agent and the apologists laud him for it...I think of North Korea

 

[sdyment]

Time to throw AA some props in this thread for landing Martin.

 

(It's only fair)

[King]

Ban the OP.

[TDotttt2005]

I will go ahead and apologize here. I'm glad that the Jays made this signing. Its the going rate if you want to use the free agent market to acquire talent and hold on to your own assets. As I was saying, you can only go so long seeing other teams sign guys to these contracts and compete, only to see the Jays not be willing to and not.

 

I'm very happy about this signing.

[TwistedLogic]

How can anyone paint the Victor Martinez signing, of all things, as a point of disappointment. Only a moron would pay that guy that much money (especially with a draft pick attached), and only morons would be disappointed that their team wasn't the one to do it.

[Angrioter]

Baneable thread

[RealAccountant]

I wish we could neg on this forum, or unlike

[Deadpool]

Baneable thread

 

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/128549/2659689-bane-1506714.jpg

[TwistedLogic]

Bane him.

[Chappy]

So needless to say, I think this thread should be closed and deserves its own place as one of the worst threads of al time.