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[BTS]

#bringbackJP

 

What was the rumored Wells deal? I know it was Wells for Kemp+. Rios for Lincecum...

 

Halladay

Lincecum

Burnett

Lilly?

Whoever the f***?

 

What a top 3 right there.

 

Kemp and Billingsley IIRC

[Deadpool]

#bringbackJP

 

What was the rumored Wells deal? I know it was Wells for Kemp+. Rios for Lincecum...

 

Halladay

Lincecum

Burnett

Lilly?

Whoever the f***?

 

What a top 3 right there.

 

Yeah, Kershaw's name was bandied about, but I don't know if that was just wishful thinking. Kershaw + Kemp for Wells would have been such robbery.

 

Edit: Billingsley, that's right... My bad.

[BTS]

in: Kemp + Billingsley + Lincecum + payroll space

 

out: Wells and Rios

 

What could have been.

[GD]

I wish I had appreciated JPR more when he was here.

[BTS]

I wish I had appreciated JPR more when he was here.

 

Well you were like 3 when he was hired and 11 when he was fired, so nobody really blames you.

[burlingtonbandit]

in: Kemp + Billingsley + Lincecum + payroll space

 

out: Wells and Rios

 

What could have been.

 

I'm sure deals like this happen all the time and end up falling through. You can't really look at the what if scenarios because for all we know there could have been other that would of made the club a lot worse.

[GD]

Well you were like 3 when he was hired and 11 when he was fired, so nobody really blames you.

 

11 year old me was adamantly against batting average, RBIs and W's, and extremely in favor of OBP and ERA, which isn't bad for an 11 year old who had no idea what "statistical analysis" or "algebra" was.

[Boxcar]

I'm sure deals like this happen all the time and end up falling through. You can't really look at the what if scenarios because for all we know there could have been other that would of made the club a lot worse.

 

For the Lincecum deal, yeah sure, but JP wanted to trade Wells and was told he couldn't.

[KingKat]

I'm sure deals like this happen all the time and end up falling through. You can't really look at the what if scenarios because for all we know there could have been other that would of made the club a lot worse.

 

AA supporters do this all the time with Ervin Santana and Ian Kinsler.

[RealAccountant]

Meh, I still believe Beeston was in AA's ear.

 

I used to think this as well, however after hearing AA go on the radio and claim that the reason we are not playing in the game tonight is due to the bullpen's ERA,

 

I no longer have any faith in him

[Dick_Pole]

#bringbackJP

 

What was the rumored Wells deal? I know it was Wells for Kemp+. Rios for Lincecum...

 

Halladay

Lincecum

Burnett

Lilly?

Whoever the f***?

 

What a top 3 right there.

 

I have a different perspective on this. JPR thought of these trades, but for one reason or another couldn't get the job done. AA had that Kinsler rumour and for some reason or another couldn't get the job done. That doesn't excuse the fact that he failed to get a 2B thereafter. People say Godfrey stifled the Wells trade. I could flip that around and say that JPR didn't do a good enough job in convincing Godfrey this is the right move. After all, JPR just came off the Quantrill for Propopek, Stewart for Kielty, Mondesi for Wiggins and Gonzalez for Heredia trades. Dumping some of those guys ended up being the smart move but the return back to Toronto was terrible. In addition to Delgado and that Carpenter and Escobar were on their way out. So in that context we can see why a higher up suit would be keen on keeping Wells, because we have to keep SOMEONE from our homegrown talent. Part of that is Ricciardi being forced to cut salary, the other part of it is him digging his own grave because he didn't do a great job of it from a PR perspective and the crappy return back from the trades. Canadian baseball fans were sensitive to what was going on with the Expos, and what the Jays were doing in the first couple years under JPR's reign really looked like Expo policies of the mid-90's.

[GD]

JPR thought of these trades, but for one reason or another couldn't get the job done.

 

Sabean pulling the deal and ownership blocking a deal? Clearly JPR's fault.

[Boxcar]

I have a different perspective on this. JPR thought of these trades, but for one reason or another couldn't get the job done. AA had that Kinsler rumour and for some reason or another couldn't get the job done. That doesn't excuse the fact that he failed to get a 2B thereafter. People say Godfrey stifled the Wells trade. I could flip that around and say that JPR didn't do a good enough job in convincing Godfrey this is the right move. After all, JPR just came off the Quantrill for Propopek, Stewart for Kielty, Mondesi for Wiggins and Gonzalez for Heredia trades. Dumping some of those guys ended up being the smart move but the return back to Toronto was terrible. In addition to Delgado and that Carpenter and Escobar were on their way out. So in that context we can see why a higher up suit would be keen on keeping Wells, because we have to keep SOMEONE from our homegrown talent. Part of that is Ricciardi being forced to cut salary, the other part of it is him digging his own grave because he didn't do a great job of it from a PR perspective and the crappy return back from the trades. Canadian baseball fans were sensitive to what was going on with the Expos, and what the Jays were doing in the first couple years under JPR's reign really looked like Expo policies of the mid-90's.

 

I don't find your position unreasonable. I still disagree, though.

[ElNik2013]

So everything that Ricciardi did wrong was the President's doing, however, don't even suggest the change of direction in 2012 had anything to do with the current President 'cause you be dumb and an apologist...makes sense.

 

What you have here is a bunch of former AA-lovers who are butt-broken, I mean, heart broken.

 

Anyway, maybe they can explain why AA still has a job if he's such a failure....

[Boxcar]

So everything that Ricciardi did wrong was the President's doing, however, don't even suggest the change of direction in 2012 had anything to do with the current President 'cause you be dumb and an apologist...makes sense.

 

What you have here is a bunch of former AA-lovers who are butt-broken, I mean, heart broken.

 

Anyway, maybe they can explain why AA still has a job if he's such a failure....

 

Wells = everything.

 

You should mention your superb reading comprehension on your resume.

[ElNik2013]

Poor little JPR, he was forced to sign Wells and Rios. Not to mention a CLOSER!

[RealAccountant]

Jpr almost traded ted Lilly for Ryan Howard

[Smokey]

What you have here is a bunch of former AA-lovers who are butt-broken, I mean, heart broken.

 

Anyway, maybe they can explain why AA still has a job if he's such a failure....

 

Do you realize just how pathetic you sound? This was you yesterday...

 

Would I fire AA? Yes I would. However, he'd hardly as bad as some of his former dick-suckers make him out to be...

 

So you would fire him yourself but demand an explanation from his "former butt-broken dick-suckers" as to why he still has a job?? WOW

[Dick_Pole]

I think we can all agree that neither JPR nor AA have been up to the task (nor Ash). 21 years and counting.

[JaysFan4Ever]

I used to think this as well, however after hearing AA go on the radio and claim that the reason we are not playing in the game tonight is due to the bullpen's ERA,

 

I no longer have any faith in him

 

Wait? What? Seriously? He's blaming the BP's ERA for why this team isn't in the playoffs? Does he just reach into a hat and pull out something to blame? Yes, the pen let us down, especially earlier on, and fell apart in some games but that's only one problem compared to what happened this year. JFC

[JaysFan4Ever]

Jpr almost traded ted Lilly for Ryan Howard

 

I remember that rumour floating. Didn't JPR balk at it wanting a pitcher (Lilly, who he really never planned on resigning) over Howard? Or am I not remembering correctly?

 

Wasn't there something about the Mets offering David Wright (when he was in A ball) for Cruz Jr?

[ElNik2013]

Do you realize just how pathetic you sound? This was you yesterday...

 

 

 

So you would fire him yourself but demand an explanation from his "former butt-broken dick-suckers" as to why he still has a job?? WOW

 

 

 

The point is that the owners of the franchise think he's done a good enough job to keep him as GM so it doesn't matter what some GM wanna-be's on the internet have to say, whether it's you or me. And yes, he's had enough time to build a playoff team so I wouldn't bring him back, but again, my opinion doesn't matter and neither does yours, just pointing it out. And yes, some of you thought AA was great his first 2 plus years, just pointing that out also.

 

It really doesn't matter to me whether JPR was better than AA or vice-versa. If JPR needed more support from ownership and wasn't given it, then I blame ownership for not realizing they had a competent GM and for not providing the necessary funds to help him be successful.

 

If AA has had too much support from ownership, then I blame ownership for not realizing they should fire his ass and get someone better who could more efficiently spend their money and assemble a better team all while making more money for them.

 

 

And much to our chagrin, it's a fact that AA is coming back next year, at least according to the team President:

 

Alex, I can say for a fact is back". "He has done a very good job". "We were all in on the trades last year

 

 

Some of you take this s*** way too seriously, but to each his own.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's funny going to other parks and seeing them pay tribute to ex-players with statue's in and around the stadium. Then you come to Toronto and they have a lone statue of Ted Rogers outside.

[jayswin11]

Other than Alomar what Blue Jays would you say deserve statues

[jayswin11]

Joe Carter I think

[Jimcanuck]

Alomar, Stieb, Halladay, Delgado, possibly Key

[GeorgiaPeach]

Other than Alomar what Blue Jays would you say deserve statues

 

On merit Halladay & Stieb. (along with Alomar)

 

Even player recognition type things like plaques embedded in the concrete in CF just above where White made "the catch". Or where Carter's home run landed. Give the fans some focal points around the park appreciating the great players or moments in Jays history.

 

It's best also not to over do it, otherwise it becomes too much. St. Louis & Cleveland are examples of that.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Alomar, Stieb, Halladay, Delgado, possibly Key

 

I'd have Fernandez over Jimmy Key.

 

The Jays could also honour Tom Cheek with a statue, similar to what the Tigers did with Ernie Harwell.

[baseballsss]

I'd have Fernandez over Jimmy Key.

 

The Jays could also honour Tom Cheek with a statue, similar to what the Tigers did with Ernie Harwell.

 

Build a new stafium first.

[jayswin11]

Build a new stafium first.

 

Ya new stadium first. I think Joe Carter leaping in the air would be an iconic statue.