Chris Davis tests positive for stimulants, suspended 25 games

[DuckDuckGose]

Nothing you're saying makes any sense, so I can't tell you anything, because you won't understand it. What I told you is correct.

 

And I will reference you back to this statement, by you, which started it all:

 

Red bull actually decreases concentration but it is a stimulant.

 

But, you have apparently bested medical science by determining the exact period of time over which caffeine increases the ability to concentrate (even though you said it decreases your ability to concentrate). And then you went on to say something about increases are from negating withdrawal, which makes absolutely no sense ... as a sentence, or as a point of fact. And then somehow that means you didn't increase over those first 10 minutes in which you decreased, because the overall result is zero.

 

And you are utterly wrong about all of this, pulling it out of your ass, and you still said, originally, that it decreases your concentration.

 

So ... yeah ... we're going off the rails of this crazy train ...

 

Or I have a basic understanding of wtf I'm talking about. I haven't bested anything. I've actually read scientific literature on it. I actually have an education in it. Funny how that works.

[DuckDuckGose]

Right. And that education told you that it decreases concentration. Even though it increases concentration. And then somehow nets the concentration out to zero. But it's decreased.

 

And stuff.

 

No one is buying what you're selling.

 

You don't even understand basic scientific premises like, negative feedback loops. I'm not going to give you a HS science lesson. Figure s*** out. Stop talking out of your ass about s*** you clearly don't understand.

[comeon sense]

Go Orioles ,sweep the Yankees.

Put them out of their misery.

[Ehh]

LMFAO!! That s*** ain't PED's, homie. I popped 3-4 of those already today, ja feel?

[DuckDuckGose]

Spanky, anyone reading our exchange can clearly see you're contradicting yourself, and then flailing wildly, and pretty much nonsensically, whilst I'm providing basic truths that you can verify in a 10 second google search. You quickly scrambled for such a search, but didn't even understand it when reading it ...

 

Let's start from the beginning ...

 

True or false ... you stated that caffeine decreases concentration?

True or false ... your next contribution to the topic was to said that it increases concentration in short spurts?

 

False: I said caffeine wont help concentration over the course of a baseball game

False: My contribution to the conversation is to say that you should stop pretending that you know what you are talking about cause you clearly don't

 

Lastly if you knew about negative feedback loops (and it this point it's fairly evident you don't as you are only as well versed in the topic as a 10 sec google search will allow) you would know that I haven't contradicted myself once.

[DuckDuckGose]

essentially, you admit that caffeine increases your ability to concentrate for some period of time. So do these guys ... http://udel.edu/~danikoll/effects.html mental/cognitive improvement: The cerebral blood flow is proportional to the amount of caffeine consumed [4]. As a result, there is an increase in efficiency with neurotransmissions involved in the cerebral cortex. This results in improvements with alertness, concentration, decision-making, problem solving, and neuromuscular coordination. [5] and these guys http://www.livestrong.com/article/331507-the-effects-of-caffeine-on-concentration/ in a 2005 study by florian koppelstätter and colleagues at the medical university at innsbruck, austria, fmri scans determined that caffeine promoted increased activity of the anterior cingulate and the anterior cingulate gyrus in the prefrontal lobe of the brain. These specific areas are involved in planning, attention, monitoring and concentration, according to this study which was presented at the 2005 meeting of the radiological society of north america.

 

for some reason, despite medical science not being able to nail it down, you got it at 10 minutes. Unlike these guys http://www.livestrong.com/article/331507-the-effects-of-caffeine-on-concentration/ although caffeine has been shown to stimulate concentration, there is inconclusive evidence of how long this effect lasts or precisely how it varies in individuals. so, ok ... Let's run with that. It increases ability to concentrate for 10 minutes. Cool. Not knowing the exact absorption rate of caffeine, these guys didn't seem that concerned about waiting 20 minutes to start testing their subject for the effects of caffeine (which proved out positive effects) ... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8401-coffees-effects-revealed-in-brain-scans.html#.vbni7anhlqm

 

now, after that, you seem confused. I think you read something on withdrawal reversal, and muddied it all up because you don't really understand what you read, so you can't convey it to us properly. Basically, there's an actual (debated, to some degree, and with respect to certain substances) phenomenon, of suffering withdrawal symptoms after the "positive" effects wear off, and then, when re-administering said drug, you basically don't really get that "high" again, but, instead, you go back to where you were before ever taking the drug.

 

So, getting back to "normal" by taking the drug after feeling withdrawal symptoms, makes you feel like you're actually positively benefiting from them. Now, that's not at all what you actually said. What you said was crazy, garbled cuckooness. But i think that's what you're trying to say. These guys aren't really all that concerned about caffeine withdrawal at all, let alone withdrawal reversal. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1182710-overview whereas moderate consumption rarely leads to health risks, higher doses induce negative effects such as anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, and tachycardia. After sudden caffeine cessation, withdrawal symptoms develop in a modest number of cases but are typically moderate and transient.

 

unfortunately, you missed something in that, you have to actually go through the withdrawal, and then re-administer. You don't ingest caffeine, increase your concentration, then, if you don't take more, you still go through withdrawal and then bounce back ... But anywho ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21531247 "the claim that stimulant effects of caffeine are related to withdrawal or withdrawal reversal seems to be untenable."

 

but, anyway ... Let's assume that actual science type person, who actually had an educated in this stuff and actually read literature on this stuff (just like you!) ... And actually wrote literature on this stuff is mistaken.

 

What is this time in which you suffer from withdrawal symptoms, and at which point can you actually achieve a positive effect from a mild to medium dose of caffeine? Inquiring non-reading-of-scientific-literature want to know. Certainly there must be a point at which your body returns to a point of stasis ... Or is it that a person only gets one true "high" from caffeine in their lifetime, and thereafter they're left chasing the dream? And what result when dosage is increased (in amount and/or frequency)?

 

you don't know what you are talking about. Nothing you posted proves you're right. The worst part is you think listing the top 3 google results, which you can't even understand, makes you right. Stop. Just stop.

[jaysblue]

Wow Chris Davis having an awful year. A .196/.300/.404 line just absurd. Hilarious how he was going in first round of drafts this year and how people threw the "elite" label on him. He'll never reach those 2013 levels again.

[DuckDuckGose]

So then, we are to understand that your statement that "Red Bull actually decreases concentration" was not a statement that caffeine decreases concentration. Is that correct? Because, apparently, whilst caffeine actually increases concentration, there is something else in Red Bull that not only negates that effect entirely, but actually has a large enough opposing effect to make the entire experience one of decreased concentration?

 

 

 

 

So, then, the post following the Red Bull comment, which started with the following sentence: "It increases it in short spurts." does not actually state that it increases in short spurts?

 

Unfortunately, nothing about negative feedback loops does anything to negate conveying incorrect information, directly contradicting yourself and then subsequently lying about it thereafter. If you understood negative feedback loops, you'd understand this.

 

You have serious issues. Go seek help.

[KingKat]

Wow Chris Davis having an awful year. A .196/.300/.404 line just absurd. Hilarious how he was going in first round of drafts this year and how people threw the "elite" label on him. He'll never reach those 2013 levels again.

 

His 3B defense was also pretty brutal. Kelly Johnson is probably an upgrade.

[DuckDuckGose]

Caffeine withdrawal.

 

Is this part of the negative feedback loop?

 

Withdrawal is a series of feedback loops, many of which are of the negative variety. You need to go get help, you've got big time mental health issues.

[Governator]

Where can I buy these egocentric PEDs you guys are on?

[Governator]

http://i.imgur.com/VT7LUK2.gif

[G-Snarls]

The blonde is in to it. The brunette is reluctant. Both girls v pretty.

 

#analysis

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[Candy Maldonado]

f***ing juicehead

[closetjaysfan]

I mean if it is in the rules then it is obviously is a suspension..... The question i have is should it be in the rule book? I do not see the advantages.

 

The guy hit over 50 HR on it last year. Struggled at the beginning of this year (presumably without it) then rips it up in the second half when he gets caught using it again.... and you don't see an advantage?

[DuckDuckGose]

 

Sure.

 

And then you can explain why these feedback loops, which are quite basic and known to all, have anything to do with you contradicting yourself, speaking unintelligibly, and being factually incorrect on a topic about which you profess to possess knowledge which exceeds someone who has laid out a very straightforward and correct position.

 

I didn't contradict myself.

 

All this, because caffeine improves concentration. Seriously.

 

All this b/c you can't admit to being wrong about anything, ever. Give it a rest. We all already know you're a moron. At this point the only person you are trying to prove you are intelligent to is yourself and you don't even buy it. Which is why you spend your day arguin withs trangers on the internet. Get a life.

[GD]

this thread lmao

[walkoff93]

Apparently 108 MLB players were granted an exemption in 2009, for stimulants.

 

That seems pretty high. (very suspicious)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-exemptions-stimulants-gain-attention-061900024--mlb.html

[RealAccountant]

Apparently 108 MLB players were granted an exemption in 2009, for stimulants.

 

That seems pretty high. (very suspicious)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-exemptions-stimulants-gain-attention-061900024--mlb.html

 

ofcourse, these guys have a huge advantage with stimulants,

[GD]

I'm not saying all of them have it, but ADD isn't all that uncommon. 1 in 10 is the figure I saw and that'd be 75 MLB players, so it isn't that far off. 33 fakers seems reasonable

[G-Snarls]

this thread lmao

 

It's a beauty! LOL

[Sammy225]

Apparently 108 MLB players were granted an exemption in 2009, for stimulants.

 

That seems pretty high. (very suspicious)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-exemptions-stimulants-gain-attention-061900024--mlb.html

 

Would be interested to see the numbers they put if it turns you into superman as most people here are saying.

[G-Snarls]

We need to get Juan Franciso on some Adderall ASAP

 

If it works, he's 2013 Chris Davis

 

If he gets busted, who gives a s***

[jays4life19]

Yeah. I would bet Emilio bonifacio is on that list. He has ADD written all over him

[G-Snarls]

Yeah. I would bet Emilio bonifacio is on that list. He has ADD written all over him

 

http://rantsports.media.s3.amazonaws.com/mlb/files/2013/01/uspw_6617818blawrie.jpg

[Governator]

Red Bull gives you wings

[DuckDuckGose]

No, all this because you said caffeine decreases concentration, when every medical resource known to man agrees that it improves it, as I originally stated. From there, you just screamed that you knew stuff cause you read a book, but showed nothing but insanity. You've literally done nothing to prove your point, except say that you know you're right ... and lie when taken to task.

 

I never said caffeine decreases concentration. You said

 

And in some ways, amphetamines are worse than roids, because they provide an immediate and direct benefit in the form of energy and focus. But, in another way, you can get similar (sort of) effects by Red Bulling it.

 

And Is aid Red Bulling it wouldn't increase concentration. And it wont. Nothing youc an say will make yourself magically right.

 

Really though I just hope you can find happiness cause it's pretty evident you're miserable IRL and need a way to boost your ego.

[G-Snarls]

He has DICKHEAD written all over him.

 

Oh yeah. I love watching Lawrie play baseball. In real life I'm fairly certain he's a complete idiot.

[DuckDuckGose]

Red Bulling it = taking in caffeine to increase concentration (and energy ... and other things).

 

Red Bull increases concentration.

 

In the context of a baseball game Red Bulld oes not increase concentration. It's ok to be wrong.

[DuckDuckGose]

Quick. I just had my afternoon coffee. I only have 10 minutes of lucidity before I slip back into a ADHD coma. Ask me something! I'm focused!

 

Given this is your afternoon coffee and it is routine then the reason why you feel more alert right now is b/c your body is addicted to caffeine. And yes it has to do with feedback loops. Again go ahead and prove me wrong. I'm still waiting