OF Situation with Gose

[tercet]

Why does Gose get to play everyday? At this point we pretty much know what he is going to be, someone who will hit probably something like 250/300/350 with some SB, and good defense.

 

Kevin Pillar has been a good hitter in the minors that never walks, I can understand giving him an extended look now to see if he can make proper adjustments to MLB pitching(which he hasn't been able to do so far).

 

Is Pompey really that bad of a hitter that Gose gets more abs then him? Most of us would like to think that Pompey right now is a better hitter then Gose.

 

Call me crazy, but id just platoon Mayberry and Rasmus rather then give Gose all these ABs

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Why does Gose get to play everyday? At this point we pretty much know what he is going to be, someone who will hit probably something like 250/300/350 with some SB, and good defense.

 

Kevin Pillar has been a good hitter in the minors that never walks, I can understand giving him an extended look now to see if he can make proper adjustments to MLB pitching(which he hasn't been able to do so far).

 

Is Pompey really that bad of a hitter that Gose gets more abs then him? Most of us would like to think that Pompey right now is a better hitter then Gose.

 

Call me crazy, but id just platoon Mayberry and Rasmus rather then give Gose all these ABs

 

We're not mathematically eliminated and he's our best overall CFer.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah the handling of Pompey and Rasmus seem odd at first glance. They only called Pompey and put him on the 40 up to protect him from the rule 5 draft and obviously have decided to use him as pinch runner only for now. He will likely get a few games after we are mathematically eliminated from the post season.

[G-Snarls]

We're not mathematically eliminated and he's our best overall CFer.

 

No one disputes using Gose regularly I don't think

 

It's more playing Pillar over Rasmus, especially against RH pitchers, and yet still giving Pompey no time.

[tercet]

I'd rather see Pompey over Gose now, and rather have a Rasmus/Mayberry platoon over Gose as well.

[tercet]

Why does everyone hate pillar so much? If he could manage to hit 270/330/420(which isn't crazy to think) he would be much more valuable then Gose.

[G-Snarls]

I'd rather see Pompey over Gose now, and rather have a Rasmus/Mayberry platoon over Gose as well.

 

Obv not a Gose fan

[G-Snarls]

Why does everyone hate pillar so much? If he could manage to hit 270/330/420(which isn't crazy to think) he would be much more valuable then Gose.

 

He may turn out to be a perfectly decent 4th OF/platoon option

 

I can see a. 270 BA but not that OBP. K/BB won't allow him to do that.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Gose's bat kinda sucks but he's shown an improved walk rate this year and just turned 24. His power fell off a cliff which sucks but it's too early to write him off.

[tercet]

I've always thought Gose would be Carlos Gomez(before he learned how to hit), still valuable somewhat, but I don't think Gose will magically learn to hit like Gomez did at 27/28...

 

Pillar has quietly hit 325/341/425 since his callup..

[glory]

Gose has a 1 WAR in 227 plate appearances and .345 OBP against RHP. His defense and speed alone should make him a valuable player, maybe a 2 win player over a full season if he maintains his walk rate. That's valuable.

 

Pillar is more questionable. He seems like he might be an overachiever type, but starting him in left when his best role is probably at CF against LHP only is questionable.

 

The defense is way better with Gose, Pillar, and Goins starting. That's really the only positive I can think of.

[G-Snarls]

His bunting has gone to s*** though

 

What the Hell??

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Gose has a 1 WAR in 227 plate appearances and .345 OBP against RHP. His defense and speed alone should make him a valuable player, maybe a 2 win player over a full season if he maintains his walk rate. That's valuable.

 

Pillar is more questionable. He seems like he might be an overachiever type, but starting him in left when his best role is probably at CF against LHP only is questionable.

 

The defense is way better with Gose, Pillar, and Goins starting. That's really the only positive I can think of.

 

Would be nice to see Pillar draw a walk. Not multiple walks. Just one.

[Caper]

You know Pillar has it the ball at every level he has ever been in. Lately I have noticed he no longer has those horrible abs he was having earlier this year and last. He must be confident now. I think he will be ok.

[burlingtonbandit]

You know Pillar has it the ball at every level he has ever been in. Lately I have noticed he no longer has those horrible abs he was having earlier this year and last. He must be confident now. I think he will be ok.

 

H can probably hit .270 maybe .280 in big leagues but his OBP is going to be hard to get over .300 and that is a major concern when you don't hit for any power. I think he doesn't become much more than a 4th OF and the Blue Jays should know this.

[Angrioter]

Pompey isn't ready to the bigs.

Pillar will be a useful OF in the near future

[G-Snarls]

H can probably hit .270 maybe .280 in big leagues but his OBP is going to be hard to get over .300 and that is a major concern when you don't hit for any power. I think he doesn't become much more than a 4th OF and the Blue Jays should know this.

 

Exactly. I just hope they realize it. He looks like a perfectly decent 4th OF at league minimum salary. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just a tiny bit scared though that he has a good September and they decide to let Melky walk and pencil Pillar in for the starting job in left next year. That would be beyond foolish.

 

All that said, I still think realistically AA extends Melky, and I think he should.

[glory]

According to BBRef, the Jays are 39-21 when Gose starts and 47-30 in all games he has appeared in. I think he was around for the hot May period so that may have helped but that's still pretty crazy. They have a .650 WP when he has started this season. Wow.

[Angrioter]

According to BBRef, the Jays are 39-21 when Gose starts and 47-30 in all games he has appeared in. I think he was around for the hot May period so that may have helped but that's still pretty crazy. They have a .650 WP when he has started this season. Wow.

 

******** stats bro!!

[G-Snarls]

According to BBRef, the Jays are 39-21 when Gose starts and 47-30 in all games he has appeared in. I think he was around for the hot May period so that may have helped but that's still pretty crazy. They have a .650 WP when he has started this season. Wow.

 

>99% of that is coincidence. No one player has that much impact ever.

[glory]

I'm not saying he is responsible for that record. Just didn't realize they've been that good when he starts.

 

Calm down fellas.

[TheHurl]

Pillar is a max effort guy that in over 500 PA's in the minors destroyed lefties and has improved his contact on righties and could BABIP his way to an acceptable numbers. I just don't think having an average runner with no power that needs balls to find holes to get his singles is worth playing full time but as I've always said he's a great 4th OF or platoon guy. What I don't think he'll do is get much better. I don't think he's going to develop power, nor is he suddenly going to increase his walk rate.

 

Gose is also what I've always said he was (recurring theme...I'm seldom wrong) a really athletic guy that has never ever shown an ability to hit a lefty (striking out 29% of the time in the minors) and even his ability to draw a walk he's not going to instantly improve enough against them to justify him playing everyday against LHP for me. Positive base-running numbers, good D and his conscious effort to lower his K's against RHP and he will do just fine as the CF for this team. I, just think if the power does develop a little he's the kind of guy (very Colby'esk) that will forget all the stuff he's improved in and start looking for the bomb. Jarrod Dyson has become a 3 win player who couldn't hit lefties. Gose should be looking for a similar type development. Keep working on the D and the baserunning and let the Jays put you in situations where you can succeed.

 

Pompey is the wildcard, cause i didn't get to watch minor league games this year, there is less I can tell you about him, outside of what is written. He probably is best spending the year starting in Buffalo next year regardless but I think they are better off getting him some starts this year. His D is supposedly solid so it's not like you are losing much by putting him out there. I really thought they were wating for the team to come home to get him a start...but that hasn't happened yet. They are probably too damn worried about how it will look putting him in.

 

PS. Tercet TdA vs. JPA in 2014. How's that one going? I'll give you credit they do have almost exactly the same fWAR...just one is negative

[G-Snarls]

No doubt Pompey starts in Buffalo next year

 

He'll have to play his way up

[glory]

Exactly. I just hope they realize it. He looks like a perfectly decent 4th OF at league minimum salary. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just a tiny bit scared though that he has a good September and they decide to let Melky walk and pencil Pillar in for the starting job in left next year. That would be beyond foolish.

 

All that said, I still think realistically AA extends Melky, and I think he should.

 

Alex started Goins at 2B. I don't think he is beyond starting Pillar in LF, unfortunately. If they could re-sign Melky and use Pillar as the 4th OF, that would be the best case.

[burlingtonbandit]

If the Blue Jays start Pillar in LF full time next year you may as well tell fans to cancel buying season tickets because that is the message you are sending. We all think Pillar could be a good platoon guy but we haven't even seen that yet. He's got a .338 BABIP and a 74wRC+ with not one walk in 82 PA. The guy will be 26 by the time next season starts.

 

There is no way you can justify having this guy start. His numbers in the minors suggest maybe he can be a .285/.315/.420 vs LHP which is just fine in CF but by no way can this guy be a LF..

[tercet]

PS. Tercet TdA vs. JPA in 2014. How's that one going? I'll give you credit they do have almost exactly the same fWAR...just one is negative

 

Hes been alot better since his callup, but I still think TDA isnt that much better then JPA in his good seasons..

[Mikeleelop]

Why does everyone hate pillar so much? If he could manage to hit 270/330/420(which isn't crazy to think) he would be much more valuable then Gose.

 

pillar has not walked in 82 plate appearances this year. So a more attainable line would be 270/280/375. an ops of 655. That won't cut it in LF. He is a 0 WAR guy, Replacement level player who can go between AAA and MLB multiple times a season.

[G-Snarls]

pillar has not walked in 82 plate appearances this year. So a more attainable line would be 270/280/375. an ops of 655. That won't cut it in LF. He is a 0 WAR guy, Replacement level player who can go between AAA and MLB multiple times a season.

 

Yep. Use him up like that until his options run out. If he hasn't become an above replacement level player by then let him go.

[HERPDERP]

I think they're approaching the OF this September as a showcase.

 

Colby is as good as gone. Melky is not coming back.

 

They are seeing if Gose/Pillar have enough to be MLB regulars for LF/CF. I don't think they are. I really wished that they would platoon Gose/Pillar for CF and give Pompey a chance at LF. It really works perfectly.

[KingKat]

I believe in Gose. His defense in Center is a major plus. He doesn't make any flashy plays because he doesn't need to. He floats under balls other guys dive for.

 

I don't think his bat is hopeless either. Hes shown hes willing to take pitches and walk. I've already seen more line drives off his bat as well.

 

For the Jays to win, they need to have people like Gose who can fill a job for very little money. That's how you balance out the other financial commitments.