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Was play .500 ball in August and we'd all be able to look forward to a contending team in September. Instead they totally crap the bed. What a colossal failure of a team.

 

The Blue Jays offense wasted quality start after quality start.

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This team was only projected to be a 81-83 win team at best earlier in the season. Regression to the mean, I guess.. but this has been a terrible month! Injuries and fatigue with the pitching has hurt.
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This team was only projected to be a 81-83 win team at best earlier in the season. Regression to the mean, I guess.. but this has been a terrible month! Injuries and fatigue with the pitching has hurt.

 

With all due respect, injuries had little to do with it. They were falling off before injuries, during injuries, and after injuries.

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38-24

 

Epic collapse

 

But but but STILL IN FIRST PLACE!!!

 

Maybe next year people will learn to wait for this team to show and prove over a sustained period of time before being blind homers. Hell, maybe you all (and you know who you are) can hold off until this pathetic franchise finally fields a playoff team for the first time in 21+ years before jumping down the throats of anyone who criticizes or questions the team and its management.

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Actually since the trades AA has been back to his pre-trade senses. After the trades and the Jays had an ATROCIOUS year last year - he did not compound the issue by spending more or making big trades. Nope. The Jays crapped the bed and in the offseason he dumped JPA and signed Navarro. No assets traded and no long term contracts added. Which makes me wonder how much Beeston was involved. Beeston to AA "Make trades - I'm retiring soon and want a winner - do it!" Umm it's not a good idea becau..." - "No we need to fill seats - make a blockbuster - Get Dickey - he won the Cy Young - get Reyes he has an MVP." AA "umm but..."

 

Then the Jays stunk out the joint.

 

Let's not pick up JJ (fans complain that they should have signed him). JJ is out for the year with his new team (arm trouble). AA = looking good on that one.

 

This year trade deadline. Jays are in it. But AA knows the reality - sees through the numbers and says to himself - the club isn't a contender. Need at least 5 players of star caliber ability to make a serious run. A Bad GM would trade Sanchez, Stroman, Norris and 5 other top 10 Jays prospects and get a couple of guys (an Ace and a bat) and we'd still suck. And then we'd suck going into the offseason with no prospects in the system. AA did a Pat Gillick - Stand Pat Gillick as he was called.

 

We have Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in the front office. All is not lost in the land of AA. Skip the trade and before and after he was on track to build a system. The farm looks to be quite respectable again and some shrewd trades for younger up and comers would be my choice.

 

See Cherington. Guy goes out and gets a Cuban bat knowing that the FA hitting market is going to be thin and costly. Sign a guy who could be a stud for $10m per. Then use the money to land some pitching. Thinking ahead a year down the line. This offseason - the Jays should make some major trades. Build the team around Sanchez, Norris, Stroman, Hutchison and everyone over the age of 30 except Navarro and MB should be dealt. MB can eat innings and mentor and probably won't net as much given his salary but if you can get one top 50 prospect for him - you do it. Bautista and EE can net you large returns - big right handed power bats on reasonable contracts is difficult to find.

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Olerud troll account?

 

AA has Johnson medicals, knows he isn't healthy and gets a gold star? Anthopoulos doesn't make a reasonably priced upgrade a la Headley at the deadline and gets a gold star?Doesn't "compound the issue" ie improve the team and gets a gold star?

 

wat

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Olerud troll account?

 

AA has Johnson medicals, knows he isn't healthy and gets a gold star? Anthopoulos doesn't make a reasonably priced upgrade a la Headley at the deadline and gets a gold star?Doesn't "compound the issue" ie improve the team and gets a gold star?

 

wat

 

There is only one Olerud363. I'm not sure I have any reason to post under a troll account... never been banned or anything. But I sort of agree with the guy... Obviously I see Beeston as the problem... not so much AA. Just how my world view has been shaped I guess. I mean AA has no testicles.. so I guess in the end he deserves to be gone for that crime.

 

I had a situation with some business "associates" recently where some information was given that was flat out deceptive. It crossed the line past "marketing" to flat out lying. There was a "Beeston" type behind the situation. The type with that rare combination of incompetence and lack of ethics.

 

I talked to 3 guys about it, all competent and good guys at heart. They all refused to go on record. They all conceded (very carefully) that the guy was a lying snake and the situation was bad. But mortgages to pay, kids to feed, blah, blah, blah. Sell out for a minivan basically. I always see AA through this lens.

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Actually since the trades AA has been back to his pre-trade senses. After the trades and the Jays had an ATROCIOUS year last year - he did not compound the issue by spending more or making big trades. Nope. The Jays crapped the bed and in the offseason he dumped JPA and signed Navarro. No assets traded and no long term contracts added. Which makes me wonder how much Beeston was involved. Beeston to AA "Make trades - I'm retiring soon and want a winner - do it!" Umm it's not a good idea becau..." - "No we need to fill seats - make a blockbuster - Get Dickey - he won the Cy Young - get Reyes he has an MVP." AA "umm but..."

 

Then the Jays stunk out the joint.

 

Let's not pick up JJ (fans complain that they should have signed him). JJ is out for the year with his new team (arm trouble). AA = looking good on that one.

 

This year trade deadline. Jays are in it. But AA knows the reality - sees through the numbers and says to himself - the club isn't a contender. Need at least 5 players of star caliber ability to make a serious run. A Bad GM would trade Sanchez, Stroman, Norris and 5 other top 10 Jays prospects and get a couple of guys (an Ace and a bat) and we'd still suck. And then we'd suck going into the offseason with no prospects in the system. AA did a Pat Gillick - Stand Pat Gillick as he was called.

 

We have Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in the front office. All is not lost in the land of AA. Skip the trade and before and after he was on track to build a system. The farm looks to be quite respectable again and some shrewd trades for younger up and comers would be my choice.

 

See Cherington. Guy goes out and gets a Cuban bat knowing that the FA hitting market is going to be thin and costly. Sign a guy who could be a stud for $10m per. Then use the money to land some pitching. Thinking ahead a year down the line. This offseason - the Jays should make some major trades. Build the team around Sanchez, Norris, Stroman, Hutchison and everyone over the age of 30 except Navarro and MB should be dealt. MB can eat innings and mentor and probably won't net as much given his salary but if you can get one top 50 prospect for him - you do it. Bautista and EE can net you large returns - big right handed power bats on reasonable contracts is difficult to find.

 

Regarding Cherington, he only took the risk on the Castillo signing because there are no decent options on the free agent market that Boston would want. And it's not a slam dunk he will be able to acquire a starter.. the poor negotiations with Jon Lester are going to tick off free agent pitchers, feeling Boston won't give a 6-7 year deal to anybody because of risk. It's possible he may have to use some of their farm to acquire a starter.

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This team was only projected to be a 81-83 win team at best earlier in the season. Regression to the mean, I guess.. but this has been a terrible month! Injuries and fatigue with the pitching has hurt.

 

Wow, raysjays right on the mark.

 

This is what the majority of fans expected for this year. As usual there was a chance the team would contend if some things broke right (which they were, for a short while, getting everyone's hopes up) but really it was most likely going to be a middle of the pack team. The season was essentially decided by management's refusal to make improvements in the offseason, and then again at the trade deadline. For me, the way this season has played has been far less disappointing than last year.

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Protected picks really mean f*** all when your management team can't get any free agents to come here.

 

But its a top 10 pick

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Well, it's unclear if 9 or 10 teams will get protected picks this year, based off 2014 W/L records. It hinges on the Astros and Aiken. If they come to terms with him, they lose their "compensatory" #2 overall in the 2015 draft and 10 teams, including the Astros, will get protected picks. If they don't come to terms, then only the "worst" 9 get protected picks.

 

Right now the Phillies hold the 9th worst record, at 60-72. At 66-66, the Jays have some serious losing to do. But if they really try, they can make it. They'd have to duckfrog (get it?) under 6 total teams, including the Rayspists. San Diego has the 10th worst record, at 61-70.

 

I thought the Aiken deadline was passed?

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I thought the Aiken deadline was passed?

It did, the signing deadline was in July!

 

The Blue Jays must be in the bottom nine to get a protected pick.

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[h=3]Goodnight Jays[/h]

By Ian Hunter

 

Under the big concrete dome,

There was a telephone,

And a 21 year old picture of Joe Carter jumping over the moon.

 

 

And there were four coaches sitting in the dugout,

And many frustrated players,

And a team in need of a prayer.

 

 

And many tired relievers,

And some absent believers.

 

 

And a Mune a Colby a Dickey and Buehrle,

And a fan base that was beginning to worry.

 

 

Goodnight June,

Goodnight moon,

Goodnight Joe Carter jumping over the moon.

Goodnight May,

And the pre All-Star break swoon.

 

 

Goodnight runs,

Goodnight fun,

Goodnight hits,

Goodnight wits.

 

 

Goodnight Jays,

Goodnight plays,

Goodnight reason,

And goodnight season.

 

 

Goodnight Melky,

And goodnight brush,

Goodnight nobody,

Goodnight postseason push,

And goodnight to the season that's gone to mush.

 

 

Goodnight stars,

Goodnight air,

And goodbye playoff chances, everywhere.

 

Adapted from Margaret Wise Brown's "Goodnight Moon".

 

http://www.bluejayhunter.com/2014/08/goodnight-jays.html

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