Offseason roster thread 2014

[BTS]

No I'm saying this because I want them to be the Dodgers, much like you do.

 

Sure, in a world where payroll can go to $190 million Robertson would be awesome. Is that the discussion we're having? I think the assumption of a $140 ceiling is a lot more interesting/realistic, and Robertson really doesn't make any sense in that situation.

[RealAccountant]

Mayberry is a replacement-level hack who probably isn't even average offensively. Lind is comfortably above average as a hitter. You lose 1-2 wins in that exchange.

 

I was being sarcastic. There is no replacement of Lind's numbers

 

The situation is a sad one. Nothing short of a miracle is required this off season

[BTS]

I was being sarcastic. There is no replacement of Lind's numbers

 

The situation is a sad one. Nothing short of a miracle is required this off season

 

Ah. I think there is some merit to the idea of rotating guys through the DH spot and trading Lind. BUT, you still have to replace the 1-2 wins that Lind provides. If you're trading Lind for, say, Tony Watson and then using the $6 million savings on Chase Headley, the team is a lot better.

[BTS]

If you're going with a pre arb reliever you could probably do just as good in house. Sanchez,Norris,Graveman,Nolin,Stilson,Tepera,Rasmussen,Jenkins,Romero,Delabar,Infante,McFarland,Sikula.

 

Unlike most I wouldn't have any problem with them using those first four as relievers next year. There really isn't anything left for them in the minors nor are they stretched enough for 200 big league innings so it's actually quite logical.

 

I'd rather go that route than devote a significant portion of the team's resources to a free agent reliever. A lot of those guys are going to be replacement-level though. I think there is value in getting a guy you can reasonably expect to give you a win or better.

[kgm1]

If you're going with a pre arb reliever you could probably do just as good in house. Sanchez,Norris,Graveman,Nolin,Stilson,Tepera,Rasmussen,Jenkins,Romero,Delabar,Infante,McFarland,Sikula.

 

Unlike most I wouldn't have any problem with them using those first four as relievers next year. There really isn't anything left for them in the minors nor are they stretched enough for 200 big league innings so it's actually quite logical.

 

Well if they resign Melky that is the bull pen your likely to get unless he deals someone . There will be no money left unless Rogers is going to the 150/160 range

[Laika]

True enough, but giving up a 2-3 win DH to "maybe" get an extra win out of the bullpen seems counter productive to me. Not that a platoon DH on a one year contract would get you a 1 win reliever with 3+ years of control anyway.

 

Lind isn't that good though. In the last 5 seasons he's been worth 2.4 wins total.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Lind has an option for 2016, that seems to be missed by some people here.

[jays4life19]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cafardo-on-shields-buehrle-zobrist-danks.html

 

- Blue Jays left-hander Mark Buehrle will be made available in a trade, though his $19MM contract will be a deterrent unless the Jays are willing to assume part of it. Still, he seems more tradable than knuckleballer R.A. Dickey.

[TheHurl]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cafardo-on-shields-buehrle-zobrist-danks.html

 

- Blue Jays left-hander Mark Buehrle will be made available in a trade, though his $19MM contract will be a deterrent unless the Jays are willing to assume part of it. Still, he seems more tradable than knuckleballer R.A. Dickey.

 

The article it came from, much more like a list of things that teams should do rather than insider info that they are shopping him

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/10/25/jon-hart-andrew-friedman-have-new-challenges-new-jobs/VDdE9s6NjqhKZkq61e3r1L/story.html

[kgm1]

The article it came from, much more like a list of things that teams should do rather than insider info that they are shopping him

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/10/25/jon-hart-andrew-friedman-have-new-challenges-new-jobs/VDdE9s6NjqhKZkq61e3r1L/story.html

 

Yea this is just Caffardo speculating what the Jays will do.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The article it came from, much more like a list of things that teams should do rather than insider info that they are shopping him

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/10/25/jon-hart-andrew-friedman-have-new-challenges-new-jobs/VDdE9s6NjqhKZkq61e3r1L/story.html

 

I hate this idea! Rather move dickey and his platoon partner first! I Hate Dickey fan club line starts here! Lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Then move friggin Reyes and eat money on that trade if you need too!

 

I still think a trade along the lines of Reyes and izturis plus 8-10 mill to San Fran

For Scutaro and one of Crick or Blackburn might work!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Then just sign Martin and Navarro becomes a backup and bench bat as well!

[GD]

I still think a trade along the lines of Reyes and izturis plus 8-10 mill to San Fran

For Scutaro and one of Crick or Blackburn might work!

 

WE KNOW

 

Alcoholics Anonymous Cap Filler

[glory]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/al-east-notes-rays-lind-robertson-ichiro.html

 

Joel Sherman of the New York Post adds to the recent Adam Lind trade speculation by writing that those looking to guess the first significant trade of the offseason would be wise to bet on the Blue Jays moving Lind. There are “strong indicators” that the Jays would like to reallocate the funds that are dedicated to Lind, so the team could very well exercise his $7.5MM club option and deal him. Sherman lists the Mariners and Athletics as potential fits, noting how well his platoon role fits the A’s model.

 

Meanwhile, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet tweets that he doesn’t see the Mariners as a fit for Lind given the team’s bulk of left-handed bats. While I agree that it’s an imperfect fit, Lind strikes me as a reasonable fit there if the club can find a right-handed bat to pair with him at DH.

 

-MLBTR

 

We all know it will be for a reliever. Which team and which reliever are the questions.

[Frenchsoup]

I'm not sure on the validity of this report. The Jays won't move Lind unless there is another plan in place for DH.

 

I disagree, I think they didn't like when Lind called out there team doctors. This teams front office seems to hold grudges against players if they say something that makes them look bad, not realizing they make themselves look bad every day with there constant waiver wireing and demotions of there own players for scrubs like brad mills.

[Chappy]

I'm not sure on the validity of this report. The Jays won't move Lind unless there is another plan in place for DH.

 

Perhaps they want to allocate those funds to make Melky an offer. Really who knows though, most speculation turns out to be nothing anyways.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Perhaps they want to allocate those funds to make Melky an offer. Really who knows though, most speculation turns out to be nothing anyways.

 

Might be done with Smoak n Mirrors! Lol

[BTS]

The offseason is here! It feels like just yesterday we were posting endlessly about Santana, Jimenez and Infante. The best time of on these boards IMO.

[BTS]

C – Navarro (5)

1B – Encarnacion (10)

2B –

3B – Lawrie (arb1)

SS – Reyes (22)

RF – Bautista (14)

CF – Gose (nm)

LF –

DH – Lind (7.5)

 

2B/3B – Maicer Izturis (3)

OF - John Mayberry Jr. (arb2)

3B - Valencia (arb1)

 

SP – Dickey (12)

SP – Buehrle (19)

SP –Romero (7.5)

SP - Happ (6.7)

SP – Hutchison (arb1)

SP – Stroman (nm)

 

RP – Brett Cecil (arb2)

RP – Aaron Loup (nm)

RP – Todd Redmond (nm)

RP - Liam Hendriks (nm)

 

Total = $103.7 million + nm(6) + arb (Lawrie, Mayberry Jr., Valencia, Hutchison, Cecil)

= approx. $106.7 million + arb (Lawrie, Mayberry Jr., Valencia,Hutchison, Cecil)

 

Free Agents

Melky Cabrera

Colby Rasmus

Casey Janssen

 

Team Options

Brandon Morrow (10 + 1 buyout)

Dustin McGowan (4 + 0.5 buyout)

Justin Smoak (3.65 + 0.15 buyout)

Josh Thole (1.75)

 

Other Arb-Eligible

Dan Johnson (arb3)

Munenori Kawasaki (arb1)

Juan Francisco (arb2)

Andy Dirks (arb3)

Edited November 1, 2014 by BTS

[BTS]

Updated to reflect the current situation. Things are going to become a not more clear when decisions are made on options and non-tenders for arb guys.

[Atothe]

Updated to reflect the current situation. Things are going to become a not more clear when decisions are made on options and non-tenders for arb guys.

 

Lawrie is not getting that big bump in salary

[GD]

Aren't arb projections out?

[BTS]

Aren't arb projections out?

 

i dunno

[flafson]

Blue Jays Decline Option On Sergio Santos

By Charlie Wilmoth [November 1, 2014 at 10:48am CDT]

The Blue Jays have declined their 2015 option on reliever Sergio Santos, Ben Nicholson-Smith of SportsNet.ca reports.

 

Can take Santos off the books.

[Chappy]

Can take Santos off the books.

 

Good.

[BTS]

Can take Santos off the books.

 

Nice.

[saskjayfan]

Nice.

 

I thought this was a pretty good trade when it first happened...Santos has been a massive disappointment....oh well

[Abomination]

I thought this was a pretty good trade when it first happened...Santos has been a massive disappointment....oh well

 

I'd imagine the White Sox weren't exactly thrilled about Molina either. This was a trade where both sides lost

[BTS]

C – Navarro (5)

1B – Encarnacion (10)

2B –

3B – Lawrie (arb1)

SS – Reyes (22)

RF – Bautista (14)

CF – Gose (nm)

LF –

DH –

 

2B/3B – Maicer Izturis (3)

OF - John Mayberry Jr. (arb2)

3B - Valencia (arb1)

 

SP – Dickey (12)

SP – Buehrle (19)

SP –Romero (7.5)

SP - Happ (6.7)

SP - Estrada (arb3)

SP – Hutchison (arb1)

SP – Stroman (nm)

 

RP – Brett Cecil (arb2)

RP – Aaron Loup (nm)

RP – Todd Redmond (nm)

RP - Liam Hendriks (nm)

 

Total = $96.2 million + nm(6) + arb (Lawrie, Mayberry Jr., Valencia, Hutchison, Cecil, Estrada)

= approx. $99.2 million + arb (Lawrie, Mayberry Jr., Valencia, Hutchison, Cecil, Estrada)

 

Free Agents

Melky Cabrera

Colby Rasmus

Casey Janssen

 

Team Options

Brandon Morrow (10 + 1 buyout)

Dustin McGowan (4 + 0.5 buyout)

Justin Smoak (3.65 + 0.15 buyout)

Josh Thole (1.75)

 

Other Arb-Eligible

Dan Johnson (arb3)

Munenori Kawasaki (arb1)

Juan Francisco (arb2)

Andy Dirks (arb3)