Aaron Sanchez stud thread

[saskjayfan]

No, he's logged many more innings than that.

 

 

 

It's only "easy to argue" if you're either being disingenuous, or you don't understand logic and argumentation. You haven't presented a valid point yet.

 

 

 

That's really sad.

 

 

 

This is a really stupid question, which is why I haven't bothered to answer it. It shouldn't need to be posed because the answer is obvious. Would he? Maybe. But we do know that this current motion is not optimal. It's akin to asking if a guy who is batting blindfolded would make better contact if he took his blindfold off. Maybe. Or maybe he's just really uncoordinated and it wouldn't make a difference. But we know that batting with a blindfold is bad. And even if someone was paid to suggest wearing a blindfold, that wouldn't make it legitimate. And I'd feel very comfortable criticizing the decision, even if I wasn't a batting coach.

 

So we've established that, in all future matters related to coaching, managing, personnel decisions and team finances, your position will be "whatever the Jays decide is best." That's your stance, and you have every right to believe it. It's just not worthwhile for me to entertain such silliness.

 

I'm sorry if you're sad that I don't think you know more than baseball professionals. Sanchez' stride length which is about 87.5% of his height is not optimal. Would he have less stress on his arm if he was closer to 100% or more? Would his velocity be better?

[saskjayfan]

How would I know? I'm not a "baseball professional." And it's 87.4%. Obviously. Oy. To answer your ridiculous questions ... Yes. And that's uncertain. At this point, you've moved beyond silly and into a farcical representation of an opposing viewpoint.

 

My point all along is that you're not a baseball expert and you're not as smart as you think you are. You've seen Sanchez pitch a handful of times on your computer and you're questioning what the baseball professionals who work for the Jays are doing with a pitcher. These professionals see him each and every day. They see every pitch. They talk to the pitcher.

 

You're an arrogant f***ing blowhard who talks a big game. I said all along that I wasn't an expert in pitching mechanics. That doesn't mean I've never heard of google. They Jays disagree with your ideas about pitching mechanics. Dr. Zig also disagrees with your ideas about pitching mechanics. Old Dr. Zig has done more than 50,000 3d motion analysis based assessments. I'm sure you know more than he does too though. He did a bio-mechanical assessment on Tiger Woods. Old Tiger could have probably saved some money and just asked for your opinion.

 

http://zigsports.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/why-stephen-strasburgs-future-has-another-date-with-injury-and-a-surgeon/

 

For the record, I think you're a very smart guy and clearly know the game of baseball. If I ever needed a lawyer, I'd seek you out. I just have no problem giving professionals working for the Jays the benefit of the doubt over fans posting on an internet board.

[JaysFan4Ever]

Bump bump bump Sanchez with that filthy movement and at that velocity. DAMN. I foresee many batters with headaches as his career gets going especially as a starter next year.

[saskjayfan]

Yes, but your point all along has been wrong. I've seen him pitch numerous times. In person. On TV. "On the computer." Before this year. This year. Minors. Majors. And, the term "expert" is silly. I'm very well versed in most things baseball related, and have no doubt that had I chosen a career in sports management, I'd be highly successful. But it really wasn't an intellectual pursuit, so it's one I didn't pursue after my playing days were over.

 

 

 

No they don't. Well, some do. But they're freaky people that have all sorts of crazed ideas, with all of their get rich quick "all you've been taught is wrong ... here's the new way to throw that won't cause any problems and will increase your velo by 10 mph in 10 months!".

 

 

 

HA! f***ing awesome! You know who this guy is, right? Let me help:

 

http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/4/12/2942283/investigation-the-curious-case-of-greg-oden-and-zig-ziegler

 

He's a quack and a criminal, you dumb s***.

 

Here's how stupid he is, even in that article. He quotes a specific percentage of stride length as optimal. No more, no less. No one with any common sense would state such a stupid thing. Because people's legs, relative to their bodies, are different lengths. There is no "one stride percentage fits all" number that COULD be had.

 

So, to recount, you had absolutely no f***ing clue what you were talking about when this started. You just hoped and "knew" Sanchez was super-awesome and the team had it under control. In debate, you quickly realized you were being schooled, so you retreated to google. You thought you had your "ah-hah" moment when you found something with numbers that you thought you could twist around to discredit me. At the time, beside yourself with excitement, you failed to conduct the necessary due diligence to confirm your findings. For a guy with an appeal to authority complex, this should be expected. Then, based on this premature egoogleation, you started making up percentages out of the clear blue ... false percentages, regarding Sanchez and Halladay, in order to try to set a trap. When called on it, you soldiered on anyway, as if your ploy was acceptable, despite reality. When I didn't give you an answer you could trap me with, you were stunned. So you closed the trap anyway, despite no prey in sight. And ended up taking your own leg off.

 

Gold star, old chap.

 

Oh, and although I'm still technically "active" in terms of my bar membership in one jurisdiction, I haven't been a "practicing" attorney for quite some time, though I do still oversee the "legal department" at my place of employ, as well as handling other oversight functions for other departments. My wife is still a practicing attorney however. She handles distressed companies and high net worth individuals with loan workouts and the such. So if your company ever makes the mistake of giving you decision-making power over anything meaningful (in certain jurisdictions, of course), I'm sure you'll need her services. Give us a ring. But don't take short strides to get to the phone.

 

criminal....you're talking about securities issues where criminal charges were dropped. He's still a professional who has worked with numerous professional athletes including many baseball players. Tiger Woods is the most serious professional athlete on the face of the earth and he worked with the guy so he's not a quack.

 

You know how I realize you're wrong about this s*** you are spewing.....Sanchez keeps pitching well bro....I guess he had another 3 lucky innings tonight...kid should buy a lottery ticket with the amount of luck he's having.

 

why aren't you working in professional baseball with all your knowledge....it's because you're not as smart as you think you are..lol

 

Another lawyer who knows everything..lol

[saskjayfan]

And, with that, you're done here.

 

And, yes, criminal. He took a guilty plea regarding two charges that would be considered misdemeanors if he made it through his probationary period without further transgressions, in order to have the other charges dropped ... and also agreed to restitution for some of the defrauded investors. On top of paying restitution in yet another matter (civil), with yet a third matter (civil) still outstanding.

 

Good times.

 

Yes, you are correct. all the really smart people, steer away from tax and M&A law and alt investment executive oversight career paths, and take occupations where you make minimum wage for years, and hope you catch a break (and someone's eye) and capture one of the very few positions in the world of baseball that make actual cash sometime down the road.

 

You got it all figured out. Like Sanchez's stride percentage.

 

I didn't even read the entire article..what exactly do his legal issues have to do with his ability to assess biomechanics..lol.

 

What we know....AA said prior to Sanchez even coming up that Sanchez had made some adjustments in AAA in late June. You indicated in these posts that he had made no adjustments or no discernible adjustments. Why would AA lie about something like this? You claim to be an expert in all things baseball related. You state certain things about pitching and an actual expert in bio mechanics says the exact opposite. Why would anyone in their right mind believe someone with a law degree vs someone with a science degree who had 2 decades practising in that said science field? 3 and most importantly...Sanchez is pitching f***ing awesome.

 

You've never been wrong in your life, but there is a first time for everything. Sanchez is a good pitcher. Deal with it...lol.

 

with that...we're done mon ami

[Angrioter]

Aaron Sanchez

(7.30 K, 1.46 BB, 0.73 HR)/9 #SSS

[HERPDERP]

I dunno why his K rate is so low, though.

 

I mean his fastball is hard with tons of movement, and his breaking pitch is outrageous. You'd think he'd be at 9 k/9

[Angrioter]

I dunno why his K rate is so low, though.

 

I mean his fastball is hard with tons of movement, and his breaking pitch is outrageous. You'd think he'd be at 9 k/9

 

Sanchez is a legit K/IP guy.

Hen-Alvarez can touch 98 but.............the stuff isn't similar.

[GD]

Aaron Sanchez hasn't struck out a batter per inning since Class A

[NorthOf49]

It seems like his movement is of the two-seam/sink type and not the late cutting type that gets swings and misses. Advanced hitters can track it and they can catch up to any velocity.

[burlingtonbandit]

I dunno why his K rate is so low, though.

 

I mean his fastball is hard with tons of movement, and his breaking pitch is outrageous. You'd think he'd be at 9 k/9

 

The velocity difference allows hitters to just look fastball and then react to the curveball. I think most hitters go up looking fastball and they just take the curveball hoping its out of the zone. I think his curveball doesn't have that late hard break that a swing and miss pitch has. It has great movement but it already is moving when it comes out of his hand and kind of just floats in there. Swing and miss curveballs have that late hard break which Sanchez doesn't have.

[SpeedyGose]

Sanchez is a legit K/IP guy.

Hen-Alvarez can touch 98 but.............the stuff isn't similar.

 

He has good stuff but I don't think you're going to see abig K/9, if he's successful I think it will actually be along the Henderson avenue (heavy GB% with mediocre Ks).

 

He's throwing everything he has right now out of the BP (no pacing like he would as a starter as well as no third pitch out of the pen) and his swstrk% is under 6

[Orgfiller]

Much like Henderson, he really needs to add that third pitch. He has nasty stuff but good hitters will just sit on one of his pitches (usually the fastball) and then go from there.

[Iluvbjs]

Sanchez is a legit K/IP guy.

Hen-Alvarez can touch 98 but.............the stuff isn't similar.

 

Actually their stuff is very similar, as far as their fastballs go anyways. They both have that diving fastball that they can throw at 96-99mph. Both throw changeups that are something to be desired, both with little movements and only accomplish speeding up the opposing hitters bat. The big difference is Sanchez has a blow you away curve and Alvarez throws a slider.

 

Henderson has learned that he is better served to get ground balls off his sinker instead of trying to strike people out with it. Aaron will be best served to do the same thing. His fastball moves so much that it's no wonder he's having command issues with it. He doesn't need to strike guys out with it and when he learns that, his command will be easier for him to attain. I know it's only one year, but look at Alvarez right now. He is a bona fide ACE, allowing 2 ER or less in 12 of his last 13 starts last time I looked. His walk rate is way down and so is his ERA. I screamed out loud when they trade him, it was a huge mistake for this organization. I know they were "going for it" and all, but I knew that kid was going to be a star. A prime example of why you don't trade away your young talent.

 

Can you imagine a rotation next year of Alvarez, Stroman, Sanchez, Norris and Hutch? Just let them pitch and watch where this team would be with all five of those guys having a few years experience. That starting five right there rivals Tampas young starting five in Archer, Moore, Cobb, Smyly and Hellickson/Ordozzi.

 

This team needs to exercise patience right now. Sanchez, Stroman, Norris and Hutch going forward. Start trading guys with some value still to repenish the farm system some and maybe bolster the bullpen some with a few good young arms.

 

I've been watching and playing this game for a long f***ing time. IMO, Sanchez definately has ACE potential. He is still very young and simply needs to be told to use his fastball to get ground balls. Take a little bit off to help him gain command. It isn't that hard to do, especially for a young kid who is easy to teach. When you have a kid with 95 plus fastball, with wicked movement, of course command is going to take time. Jumping all over him for his walk rate at this point in his career is utterly ridiculous. He's still learning. His stuff alone is more than enough reason to believe that with the right coaching, this kid is going to be a dominant, front of the rotation starter for years to come. You look at a guy like Alvarez, and he doesn't have that secondary wipout pitch like Aaron and Marcus have. But he's learned already that his fastball is enough to get guys out on a consistent basis and his numbers tell the entire story. I think Aaron has better stuff than Henderson does overall. Time will tell I guess.

[Orgfiller]

Holy f***, Henderson Alvarez just got called a bonafide ace.

[Iluvbjs]

Holy f***, Henderson Alvarez just got called a bonafide ace.

 

He is the ACE of that staff right now and with better win totals to reflect his numbers, could easily be in line for Cy Young consideration. He probably will still get some consideration. Besides Kershaw, his numbers are arguably the best in the NL and rival those of anybody else in baseball really.

[Vincent]

Holy f***, Henderson Alvarez just got called a bonafide ace.

 

Why wouldn't be be? He's twice as good as anyone we have on our rotation.

[BTS]

He is the ACE of that staff right now and with better win totals to reflect his numbers' date=' could easily be in line for Cy Young consideration. He probably will still get some consideration. Besides Kershaw, his numbers are arguably the best in the NL and rival those of anybody else in baseball really.[/quote']

 

lol wut

[thatoneguy]

He is the ACE of that staff right now and with better win totals to reflect his numbers' date=' could easily be in line for Cy Young consideration. He probably will still get some consideration. Besides Kershaw, his numbers are arguably the best in the NL and rival those of anybody else in baseball really.[/quote']

 

Take your blinders off please.

[Orgfiller]

He is the ACE of that staff

 

right now and with better win totals to reflect his numbers' date=' could easily be in line for Cy Young consideration.[/quote']

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He probably will still get some consideration. Besides Kershaw' date=' his numbers are arguably the best in the NL[/quote']

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and rival those of anybody else in baseball really.

[Iluvbjs]

LOL, you people make me laugh out loud. Is mommy still changing your underwear for you?

[Chappy]

Why wouldn't be be? He's twice as good as anyone we have on our rotation.

 

He has the same WAR as Stroman while pitching about 60 innings more.

[Chappy]

LOL' date=' you people make me laugh out loud. Is mommy still changing your underwear for you?[/quote']

 

You embarrassed yourself beyond words and are now resorting to insults as a defence tactic. Good for you.

[MrMariusz]

Yesssssssssssssss

Sanchez looking very good lately.

[Chappy]

And you actually believe they have had equal value this season?

 

I don't need to believe anything. I'm not going to pretend like I have watched all of his starts like I have for Stroman. I will say this though, if Alvarez is an ace after pitching 150 innings, he should have twice the WAR he does. He is a good pitcher who pitches in a very pitcher friendly ball park, but let's not kid ourselves.

[Chappy]

Take a look at the home/road splits. Case closed.

[Orgfiller]

And you actually believe they have had equal value this season?

 

Henderson Alvarez this season: 150.2 IP, 5.62 K/9, 1.67 BB/9, 54.9 GB%, 3.40/3.49 FIP/xFIP, 3.61 SIERA, 2.1 WAR

 

Marcus Stroman: 92.0 IP, 7.73 K/9, 2.35 BB/9, 50.4% GB%, 3.14/3.46 FIP/xFIP, 2.1 WAR

 

What do you think?

[Orgfiller]

Case closed? Have you seen Stromans home/road splits?

 

Alvarez has been the better pitcher this season. It's not close.

 

Did you even look at the post above yours? Please tell me you're not basing your argument off of ERA, or worse, W-L record.

[43211234]

I think if Sanchez could add a cutter it would help him immensely. Though probably not realistic because of the huge natural run on his fastball? I don't know much about those things.

 

That 93 mph changeup that he's thrown just a couple of times has ridiculous movement but probably has to be altered to be an effective pitch. He definitely needs something to succeed as a starter, though.

[ElNik2013]

I think if Sanchez could add a cutter it would help him immensely. Though probably not realistic because of the huge natural run on his fastball? I don't know much about those things.

 

That 93 mph changeup that he's thrown just a couple of times has ridiculous movement but probably has to be altered to be an effective pitch. He definitely needs something to succeed as a starter, though.

 

 

For sure, he's not a finished product by any means. He should start next year at AA.