Blue Jays to Teams: "We can't take on any extra money."

[Deadpool]

At some point though you end up having too high a payroll to be profitable. The Blue Jays may be at that point.

 

Yeah... but given the situation, the Jays could likely spend over $300M and still be profitable for Rogers... Giant billboard downtown, content for, what, 6 different cable channels? Whatever walks through the door 81 times a year... Merchandising, word of mouth etc, etc, etc.... The Jays are a HUUUUUUUGE cash cow for Rogers almost regardless of payroll... Make the Jays a winner and that cash cow gets SO FAT...

 

I'm not saying they're going to throw whatever money at it, but they definitely could and still turn a substantial profit.

[o2cui2i]

Unable to sell

Unable to buy

Unable to develop players

Unable to sign free agent

Unable to remove the turf

Unable to fire Alex

 

But they have the "fan zone" in center field!!

 

Lol

[ElNik2013]

Glad we can't take on salary, it means Sanchez, Norris, Pompey, osuna are safe.

 

 

 

Actually, it may mean they're more likely to be traded in a deal to get the other team to eat salary.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I don't know why I still have this overwhelming instinctual feeling that this team is winning the AL east

 

I can't explain it but its there.

LOL! Have you watched this team at all since June 1st?

[sh3156]

 

Grow up

[sh3156]

LOL! Have you watched this team at all since June 1st?

 

Thats why I said I don't know why

[BigCecil]

Well we're f***ed

 

Ive been quite optimistic even after this death spiral started...it didn't wane too much with the injuries but now the consistency and depth of the losses are making me feel as if we are truly f***ed. We don't just lose...we seem to be inept.

 

Remember the good ol days when mostly we thought of who to add as a SP? Now its SP, line up glaring holes and pen....and while we are at it we have no ability to take on salary and we aren't moving prospects.

 

I am calling it - we are toast 2014 even at 4 gms out. Sounds crazy but its true. The org has to make some hard decisions about what direction they are going. Buy, Sell or hold. That has yet to be done. Hold hasn't worked.

 

The biggest shames are the 2013 off season we had a chance to make moves required and we didn't as well as I don't think this opp in the weaker AL East is there 2015 and 2016. They will replenish with propects, trades and FAs.

[KingKat]

Jack Z was telling teams they couldn't add payroll in trades. Finally, the M's president spoke out saying he spoke with Jack about that, asked him why he's telling teams that, when they have the ability to add to payroll, and Jack Z responded that he knew that, it was just posturing as a part of negotiations.

 

Not saying this is the same scenario ... just saying we shouldn't all go bananas because of one report.

 

 

Perfectly sensible.

 

Remember, this is the board that killed off, buried, and came up with all sorts of stories about the untimely death of a poster during their eulogies because someone hadn't posted in the last 5 minutes ... and the guyhad just stepped out to go to the bathroom and wondered why he'd been killed off while reading Penthouse.

 

REMAIN CALM (and the payroll is large enough already)!

 

Disgusting cheap shot. It wasn't just someone off the board for 5 minutes as you well know. It was a legit case of mistaken identity that just happened to coincide with an absence from the board. You really are a miserable piece of s*** to be so ghoulish about something like that. Lots of people were concerned and sadenned. You have no soul.

[G-Snarls]

Fixed

[G-Snarls]

Ive been quite optimistic even after this death spiral started...it didn't wane too much with the injuries but now the consistency and depth of the losses are making me feel as if we are truly f***ed. We don't just lose...we seem to be inept.

 

Remember the good ol days when mostly we thought of who to add as a SP? Now its SP, line up glaring holes and pen....and while we are at it we have no ability to take on salary and we aren't moving prospects.

 

I am calling it - we are toast 2014 even at 4 gms out. Sounds crazy but its true. The org has to make some hard decisions about what direction they are going. Buy, Sell or hold. That has yet to be done. Hold hasn't worked.

 

The biggest shames are the 2013 off season we had a chance to make moves required and we didn't as well as I don't think this opp in the weaker AL East is there 2015 and 2016. They will replenish with propects, trades and FAs.

 

^

 

Agree wholeheartedly with all of this

 

If we finish the season 2nd or 3rd in the AL East and miss the playoffs (seems quite likely at this point) something huge has to happen. Standing pat is not an option.

 

If we let Rasmus and Cabrera walk this off season, plan to replace them from within, and yet keep guys like Reyes and Buerhle, I will lose my s*** and have finally completely given up on the organization as it stands.

 

Tough decisions guys. (Pelley, Beeston +/- AA) Gotta make them.

[GD]

^

 

Agree wholeheartedly with all of this

 

Think you mean heartedly lol

[eastcoastjaysfan]

AA was given a massive budget and he failed to do anything productive with it.

 

Rogers is just being prudent here. Uncle Ted didn't grow his company into the giant that it is by being a f***ing moron with his money. They're a public company who need to justify everything to their shareholders as well. Completely agree with Rogers' stance here. There is no reason to believe that AA would efficiently use the additional 10-15M that could be allocated to him.

[jb22]

In the off-season everyone was all for adding salary via SP (ervin santana, mostly). Now everyones stance is 140m is enough and we shouldn't spend any more nor should Rogers have to. Why was it OK to spend it then but not now? Because some injuries have cost us some games that could have us in 1st in the division right now? How much more reactional can some of you get?

[oakville69]

Do you really think that one player is going to fix this mess?

 

Adding a impact player would help. It would also improve morale of the rest of the team.

 

If Bautista gets frustrated & demands a trade , then AA will be in trouble.

[sh3156]

Adding a impact player would help. It would also improve morale of the rest of the team.

 

If Bautista gets frustrated & demands a trade , then AA will be in trouble.

 

I think AA is finished if this team doesn't pick it up. Years ago, I would have agreed with Rogers being a passive owners

 

However recent placements in the Leafs and Raptors, have shown that Rogers at least as a part owner, has hired evaluators. I suspect that AA is under evaluation.

[Angrioter]

AA was given a massive budget and he failed to do anything productive with it.

 

Rogers is just being prudent here. Uncle Ted didn't grow his company into the giant that it is by being a f***ing moron with his money. They're a public company who need to justify everything to their shareholders as well. Completely agree with Rogers' stance here. There is no reason to believe that AA would efficiently use the additional 10-15M that could be allocated to him.

 

Toronto Blue Jays $132,628,700

Arizona Diamondbacks $112,688,666

Cincinnati Reds $112,390,772

St. Louis Cardinals $111,020,360

Atlanta Braves $110,897,341

Baltimore Orioles $107,406,623

Milwaukee Brewers $103,844,806

Colorado Rockies $95,832,071

Seattle Mariners $92,081,943

Kansas City Royals $92,034,345

Chicago White Sox $91,159,254

San Diego Padres $90,094,196

NY Mets $89,051,758

Chicago Cubs $89,007,857

Minnesota Twins $85,776,500

Oakland A's $83,401,400 <------Best team at MLB (Zaidi)

Cleveland Indians $82,534,800

Pittsburgh Pirates $78,111,667

Tampa Bay Rays $77,062,891

Miami Marlins $47,565,400

Houston Astros $44,544,174

[Jimcanuck]

Adding a impact player would help. It would also improve morale of the rest of the team.

 

If Bautista gets frustrated & demands a trade , then AA will be in trouble.

 

AA would by happy if Bautista asks for trade, he can plug a few holes without the appearance of giving up on the season..... Seattle can have him for the haul Jays would get

[CHRIS]

This trade deadline is a microcosm of the last 20 years. Can't decide what to do; buy or sell?

 

The problem is that there's no plan, they just seem to switch gears on a whim.

 

Unless this "can't take on money" thing is just posturing, this is going to be an ugly, ugly end to the season.

[shortstop]

It's possible as Moog suggested this is about, in my words, cloak & dagger...

 

That's why this trade deadline will be interesting & may shed colour on whether Rogers has in fact turned off the taps...

 

Which is stupid if the case...u cannot look at payroll in a vacuum - yes $140m is pretty good (I wonder how much the tv deal would bring the jays & thus what payroll would be if Rogers did not own the team) but when the team is close to a playoff spot & the fan base has suffered Long enough (what did I hear, been about 14 years since the jays were this close to a playoff spot at the all-star break), and on top of that the team desperately needs a reinforcement, adding payroll is a no brainer. A free agent after this season, $3-$6M left in a players salary...I mean, this is sad if this is even an issue for AA, trusted or not by Rogers.

[sh3156]

This trade deadline is a microcosm of the last 20 years. Can't decide what to do; buy or sell?

 

The problem is that there's no plan, they just seem to switch gears on a whim.

 

Unless this "can't take on money" thing is just posturing, this is going to be an ugly, ugly end to the season.

 

Some one earlier mentioned this season is far worse then 2013. I dont agree

 

It was nice seeing them lead the division if only for a month. At least for a moment it seemed possible, and allowed us to imagine what it would be like. We may never get there

[eastcoastjaysfan]

This trade deadline is a microcosm of the last 20 years. Can't decide what to do; buy or sell?

 

The problem is that there's no plan, they just seem to switch gears on a whim.

 

Unless this "can't take on money" thing is just posturing, this is going to be an ugly, ugly end to the season.

 

Baseball purgatory at its very worst.

[Angrioter]

AA will trade for Ackley, Quentin, Headley and "ACE RILIVA", and anyway we'll end 4th or 5th place.

[ElNik2013]

I think AA is finished if this team doesn't pick it up. Years ago, I would have agreed with Rogers being a passive owners

 

However recent placements in the Leafs and Raptors, have shown that Rogers at least as a part owner, has hired evaluators. I suspect that AA is under evaluation.

 

 

How much time does one need to evaluate AA's tenure? It's obvious he overpaid for aging and expensive players, this is all the evaluation you need. If this franchise's owners do in fact want it to be run efficiently, a new FO should already be in place. Time is very important and wasting a whole year "evaluating" doesn't bode well.

 

I suspect ownership is as clueless as the people they put in charge and even worse, I dread Beeston is their main man.

[ElNik2013]

AA will trade for Ackley, Quentin, Headley and "ACE RILIVA", and anyway we'll end 4th or 5th place.

 

 

Your trollish predictions keep being wrong, maybe it's time to give up?

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

This trade deadline is a microcosm of the last 20 years. Can't decide what to do; buy or sell?

 

The problem is that there's no plan, they just seem to switch gears on a whim.

 

Unless this "can't take on money" thing is just posturing, this is going to be an ugly, ugly end to the season.

It's eerily similar to the last few years of the Expos, except at least the Expos had the excuses of a penny-pinching business community, Loria, and Selig to point to for their lack of a direction and inability to consistently spend. This mess is all on Beeston and AA, period.

[ElNik2013]

It's eerily similar to the last few years of the Expos, except at least the Expos had the excuses of a penny-pinching business community, Loria, and Selig to point to for their lack of a direction and inability to consistently spend. This mess is all on Beeston and AA, period.

 

 

So when will the owners smell the coffee and clean house?

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

So when will the owners smell the coffee and clean house?

Hopefully soon. I actually think shutting off the funds to AA is a good sign, as it shows that they don't trust him to use that money responsibly and not f*** up the team even further. Can't imagine Rogers wants to keep morons they don't trust anymore in charge of their investment.

 

I know I get a bad rap as being a pessimist, but if Rogers does the right thing and fires Beeston/AA and hires Zaidi, I'll be the biggest sunshine-pumping homer on the planet.

[JFD]

“If we don't win this year, we win next year”

[ElNik2013]

Hopefully soon. I actually think shutting off the funds to AA is a good sign, as it shows that they don't trust him to use that money responsibly and not f*** up the team even further. Can't imagine Rogers wants to keep morons they don't trust anymore in charge of their investment.

 

I know I get a bad rap as being a pessimist, but if Rogers does the right thing and fires Beeston/AA and hires Zaidi, I'll be the biggest sunshine-pumping homer on the planet.

 

 

I said all off season that I thought AA had no $ to spend unless he cleared payroll room first. I also pointed out that there was a new Rogers boss taking over for Mohammed and that it probably meant any payroll promises made by the retiring C.E.O. were out the window with the new guy.

 

What I don't get is why it would take this long to make a change. Time is being wasted. A new FO could be evaluating the entire organization and looking to decide whether to recommend a full rebuild or a retool to the owners.

 

Anyway...

[CJ-Freeway]

Guys, how come the game isn't on sportsnet now?