Jeff Blair - Signs from FO strongly suggest both Melky and Colby gone next year

[GeorgiaPeach]

Every prospect is Mike Trout... didn't you know?

 

Again, I never said that.

 

But I do know creating a tight little window of 2-3 years to win is pretty lame.

 

Why not create an environment where they try to make the best moves for the overall well-being of the organization going forward opposed to temporary windows of time?

 

Can you imagine if a company came out and said, we're gonna try and do our best over the next 3 years? My first question would be, what's gonna happen in year 4.

[Mikeleelop]

and it looks like the cubs are trying to stockpile assets in order to be successful in the long term. Let's see how successful they are

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'd prefer the window of winning be closer to 5 or 6 years opposed to 1 or 2.

 

You wouldn't?

 

Window being 5 or 6 years of mediocrity? Because we've had that for 20 years.

 

 

In all seriousness, I'd prefer the Jays to gut the farm and have a 250 million dollar payroll each year and try to buy championships. That's more fun than hoping some prospects pan out, but it won't happen.

[G-Snarls]

Again, I never said that.

 

But I do know creating a tight little window of 2-3 years to win is pretty lame.

 

Why not create an environment where they try to make the best moves for the overall well-being of the organization going forward opposed to temporary windows of time?

 

Can you imagine if a company came out and said, we're gonna try and do our best over the next 3 years? My first question would be, what's gonna happen in year 4.

 

Stockholder selloff and personnel layoffs, that's what

[G-Snarls]

and it looks like the cubs are trying to stockpile assets in order to be successful in the long term. Let's see how successful they are

 

Well, it's what they had to do with where Theo started from realistically

 

There are no guarantees with that approach of course

[GeorgiaPeach]

and it looks like the cubs are trying to stockpile assets in order to be successful in the long term. Let's see how successful they are

 

I'd much rather be in the Cubs position than the Jays are in theirs.

[Mikeleelop]

I'd much rather be in the Cubs position than the Jays are in theirs.

 

I agree 100%

 

While I'd like to compete and "go for it" this year, I don't want to give up assets which can make us competitive for years to come

[Mikeleelop]

You're getting greedy, I'd rather they spend up to the luxury tax threshold annually and build a farm...

 

that's what the Yankees did that made them so great in the past 15 years. Home grown players like Jeter, Posada and Rivera which they supplemented with FA signings

 

Rogers, however does not acknowledge they have the biggest market in MLB with the highest # of TV viewers. They should be spending up to $200million instead they chose to run small market and get the players to throw $ in a hat to sign a FA pitcher at the start of the year. that's just ********

[GeorgiaPeach]

Window being 5 or 6 years of mediocrity? Because we've had that for 20 years.

 

I was basing the window off the young players acquired (MLB control). In my ideal world, there wouldn't be a window. Moves would be made for the overall betterment of the franchise, for short and long term. Not a tidy little window of opportunity.

 

In all seriousness, I'd prefer the Jays to gut the farm and have a 250 million dollar payroll each year and try to buy championships. That's more fun than hoping some prospects pan out, but it won't happen.

 

What's fun about watching has-been players like you're saying above. Because teams aren't going to trade star players in their mid 20's for prospects. So you're essentially left fielding of team of players in their late 20's, early, mid & late 30's.....mostly beyond their prime, and paying a premium for what they did and not what they're doing.

 

And I guess the Jays FO and fans were wrong. The Yankees and Sox weren't ripe for the picking after the Marlins and Dickey trade, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting a similar idea to put the Jays were the Sox and Yankees were....ripe for the picking.

[Governator]

Hearing some people try to argue the Jays should be following the Yankees formula to win is rather revolting.

[GeorgiaPeach]

and it looks like the cubs are trying to stockpile assets in order to be successful in the long term. Let's see how successful they are

 

As it stands the Cubs have 5 spots on the diamond I'd prefer over what the Jays have or will going forward, all things considered commencing in 2015.

 

Wellington Castillo over any catcher in the Jays system.

Rizzo over Encarnacion @ 1B

(If Baez gets shifted to 2B) Baez over anything in the Jays system

Castro or Russell over Reyes @ SS

Almora over Gose or Pompey in CF

 

and maybe even Bryant over Lawrie @ 3B

[reedjohnsonfan]

What's fun about watching has-been players like you're saying above. Because teams aren't going to trade star players in their mid 20's for prospects. So you're essentially left fielding of team of players in their late 20's, early, mid & late 30's.....mostly beyond their prime, and paying a premium for what they did and not what they're doing.

 

And I guess the Jays FO and fans were wrong. The Yankees and Sox weren't ripe for the picking after the Marlins and Dickey trade, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting a similar idea to put the Jays were the Sox and Yankees were....ripe for the picking.

 

The easiest way to make you near certain to contend every year is to spend a ridiculous amount of money (if you have it). For me it would be more fun to see the Jays spend like the Dodgers and try to get the big free agents at all costs. Imagine if they had signed Cano and Tanaka this offseason? Even with Tanaka hurt that would've been awesome IMO. But to each his own you like seeing prospects and I like popular big name players.

[shortstop]

I'd much rather be in the Cubs position than the Jays are in theirs.

 

 

always found it interesting AA was going for re-build with young talent (before Marlins trade) then bam, the marlins/dickey trade & saying screw this to the slow re-build process...

 

as much as I like to blame AA, the part we don't know is the pressure he was getting from corporate (if any) to field a competitive team for ticket sales, merchandising, advertising, commercials, ie. to pitch Rogers content...

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

and it looks like the cubs are trying to stockpile assets in order to be successful in the long term. Let's see how successful they are

 

Cubs recent win totals : 83, 75, 71, 61, 66 . Rebuild was supposed to be over by now ( their management I believe said they'd contend by this year ). Their recent trade says they are still rebuilding, although one might call it a retool if one is optimistic. So for the Jays to follow the Cubs plan, we need to totally sacrifice the 2015-2020, and then some of you guys might say "I'd rather be the Jays moving forward then Team X ".

 

So the main point is not how the Cubs do moving forward. This is a tough guess ( they could be like the Rays were 7 years ago, or they might be the Twins/Royals ). The main point will be how will the Jays do from 2014-2021 given whatever strategy they choose.

[CJ-Freeway]

I would offer Melky an extension, he is a solid .300 hitter at the top of the lineup. I'd let Rasmus walk though.

[z3r0s]

Cubs recent win totals : 83, 75, 71, 61, 66 . Rebuild was supposed to be over by now ( their management I believe said they'd contend by this year ). Their recent trade says they are still rebuilding, although one might call it a retool if one is optimistic. So for the Jays to follow the Cubs plan, we need to totally sacrifice the 2015-2020, and then some of you guys might say "I'd rather be the Jays moving forward then Team X ".

 

So the main point is not how the Cubs do moving forward. This is a tough guess ( they could be like the Rays were 7 years ago, or they might be the Twins/Royals ). The main point will be how will the Jays do from 2014-2021 given whatever strategy they choose. If the Cubs fail to contend the next 3 years, their rebuild will have been a failure, a big market team giving up on good teams with no tangible payoff for doing so. But it's irrelevant to us anyways, the Jays need to act in accordance with what works in our market, with our current team, and theme based strategies are not practical, it's just internet chatter trying to simplify that which cannot be simplified.

 

The Cubs are going to be my favorite NL team very soon. Rebuild in the perfect way. Stockpile potential impact position players, fill in with the ability to have a big payroll.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Cubs recent win totals : 83, 75, 71, 61, 66 . Rebuild was supposed to be over by now ( their management I believe said they'd contend by this year ). Their recent trade says they are still rebuilding, although one might call it a retool if one is optimistic. So for the Jays to follow the Cubs plan, we need to totally sacrifice the 2015-2020, and then some of you guys might say "I'd rather be the Jays moving forward then Team X ".

 

So the main point is not how the Cubs do moving forward. This is a tough guess ( they could be like the Rays were 7 years ago, or they might be the Twins/Royals ). The main point will be how will the Jays do from 2014-2021 given whatever strategy they choose.

 

I guess if your plan is to gut the team down to nothing, which wouldn't make sense.

 

There would be absolutely no reason to move Lawrie, Stroman or Hutch, which is already further ahead of what the Cubs ground the rebuild down to on the MLB team.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

The Cubs are going to be my favorite NL team very soon. Rebuild in the perfect way. Stockpile potential impact position players, fill in with the ability to have a big payroll.

 

Objectively, the Cubs haven't been very efficient in this process, and it's taking a long time. Attendance for the Cubs used to be easy, they had some of the most loyal fans in baseball. Attendance dropped 500K last year and it's not getting better this year. It's all good that you like the team when they come out of a long, drawn out rebuild and finally win some games, but I'd note that they haven't had a winning team since 2009 and you are still not willing to take them on. And one might note that the Cubs, like the Rays, have yet to win a World Series, so even the most optimistic fan of these franchises has to temper their enthusiasm somewhat.

 

It is ironic that some of you think the Cubs are an example of a good rebuild, when I think the exact opposite, that they illustrate that a reputable GM and a strong commitment to rebuilding "the right way" can still be a huge failure in today's MLB.

[Nox]

Objectively, the Cubs haven't been very efficient in this process, and it's taking a long time. Attendance for the Cubs used to be easy, they had some of the most loyal fans in baseball. Attendance dropped 500K last year and it's not getting better this year. It's all good that you like the team when they come out of a long, drawn out rebuild and finally win some games, but I'd note that they haven't had a winning team since 2009 and you are still not willing to take them on. And one might note that the Cubs, like the Rays, have yet to win a World Series, so even the most optimistic fan of these franchises has to temper their enthusiasm somewhat.

 

It is ironic that some of you think the Cubs are an example of a good rebuild, when I think the exact opposite, that they illustrate that a reputable GM and a strong commitment to rebuilding "the right way" can still be a huge failure in today's MLB.

 

Exactly. Where are the baseball equivalents of David Clarkson, Dave Bolland and Dion Phaneuf when you need them? Those are the types of investments big markets should be making to continually strengthen their sporting juggernauts.

[z3r0s]

Objectively, the Cubs haven't been very efficient in this process, and it's taking a long time. Attendance for the Cubs used to be easy, they had some of the most loyal fans in baseball. Attendance dropped 500K last year and it's not getting better this year. It's all good that you like the team when they come out of a long, drawn out rebuild and finally win some games, but I'd note that they haven't had a winning team since 2009 and you are still not willing to take them on. And one might note that the Cubs, like the Rays, have yet to win a World Series, so even the most optimistic fan of these franchises has to temper their enthusiasm somewhat.

 

It is ironic that some of you think the Cubs are an example of a good rebuild, when I think the exact opposite, that they illustrate that a reputable GM and a strong commitment to rebuilding "the right way" can still be a huge failure in today's MLB.

 

If anyone thinks a real rebuild only takes a couple years, they are not talking about the same thing I am.

[Angrioter]

I would offer Melky an extension, he is a solid .300 hitter at the top of the lineup. I'd let Rasmus walk though.

 

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[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If anyone thinks a real rebuild only takes a couple years, they are not talking about the same thing I am.

 

2009-2014 is 6 years. Not sure if it's fair to count 2009, so let's say 5 years. So if you insist on using the Cubs as an example, they tore apart their team and 5 years later still no payoff. Even their GM readily admits he wasn't expecting to still be trading away core pitching assets in 2014.

[Nox]

2009-2014 is 6 years. Not sure if it's fair to count 2009, so let's say 5 years. So if you insist on using the Cubs as an example, they tore apart their team and 5 years later still no payoff. Even their GM readily admits he wasn't expecting to still be trading away core pitching assets in 2014.

 

Epstein and Hoyer took over in the 2011-2012 offseason. Not sure why you're even referencing 2009-2011.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Epstein and Hoyer took over in the 2011-2012 offseason. Not sure why you're even referencing 2009-2011.

 

He's one of those fans that would've abandoned the team. Just doesn't know what's going on beyond what he sees on the field.

[Nox]

He's one of those fans that would've abandoned the team. Just doesn't know what's going on beyond what he sees on the field.

 

He also thought ARod was traded to Texas from Seattle so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by his fuzzy baseball memory.

[GeorgiaPeach]

He also thought ARod was traded to Texas from Seattle so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by his fuzzy baseball memory.

 

Sometimes Cooler Heads don't prevail.

[jays_fever]

As long as we let them walk for nothing at the end of the year, Im happy.

[Nox]

Sometimes Cooler Heads don't prevail.

 

This one rarely does.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

This one rarely does.

 

You seem borderline retarded most of the time on here. Big talk hiding behind your keyboard dipshit.

[Nox]

You seem borderline retarded most of the time on here. Big talk hiding behind your keyboard dipshit.

 

I can only assume that this, like you screename, is some weird attempt at irony given your propensity to lose your s*** on here at semi-regular intervals.

 

And I don't know, I just don't think it's too much to ask to get even the most basic of facts right before you start attacking what a front office has done.