20 players the Blue Jays could go after

[jays4life19]

It just boggles the mind why such a good fit isn't here already

 

Asking price. They don't want to sell low on Franklin.

[Dylan]

I'd say asking price is probably really high. Or maybe the jury is still out on Brad Miller (who I also think is a FA)?

[jays4life19]

I'd say asking price is probably really high. Or maybe the jury is still out on Brad Miller (who I also think is a FA)?

 

They also would probably want pieces that can help them this year - specifically a right hand bat.

 

Not sure if we really match up well.

[Dylan]

They also would probably want pieces that can help them this year - specifically a right hand bat.

 

Not sure if we really match up well.

 

Yup, Seattle is in compete now mode. Would be great trade partners if we decided to rebuild, not that were going to.

[G-Snarls]

Yup, Seattle is in compete now mode. Would be great trade partners if we decided to rebuild, not that were going to.

 

They'd probably give us anything we wanted from their farm for Bautista and Buerhle

[BigCecil]

I agree, once they made the two trades and increased spending that FO would never trade Bautista or Edwin. But the difference between me and many others is, I'm willing to acknowledge a mistake early on and change direction. So many people are on here saying we're already waste deep in this pile of s***, but let's keep going until this thing blows up.

 

I don't understand why a move like the Rays made in the Shields deal where they got back an absolute haul with an almost immediate impact with Myers and then the other pieces in Odorizzi, providing now couldn't be looked at? IMO a move like that could be made where the team essentially loses very little right off the hop and has other solid pieces coming very soon.

 

Intelligent moves can be made without further burying the team.

 

We are 4 gms out at the AS Break. Hardly waste deep in a pile of s***. That's after a horrendous month.

 

We have one awful contract of any length...Reyes and AA managed to get rid of the last boat anchor we had with Vernon Wells. Mark B only has one more yr left and if he is close to 2015 that's not a horrendous overpay in this market.

 

You want to move two of the best contracts in all of baseball in Edwin and Jose to emulate TB(who has a worse record) because they got Myers who has a negative WAR in his 2nd season. Odorizzi will be a 2-4 SP if he stays healthy. TB gave up Wade Davis too in that deal too and he has been very effective for KC. He is only 28 and making less than 5mm this year.

 

I think there is merit to look at the option of declaring failure on the Marlins/RA deal and a revert back to rebuilding for 2015/16. Buts its no slam dunk we are out of this, nor are the moves you are suggesting without very significant risk. Which is why probably no GM would do it.

 

I take your point that getting nothing for aging Jose and / or Edwin when their undermarket deals run out end of 2016 would be a shame, but there is a lot of ball between now and then to make those moves - and replacing that OPS would likely be impossible at any reasonable price.

 

(Im not a fan of Cliff Lee acquisition either - great pitcher with injury risk now and the contract is just too brutal).

[dineke]

All in for cliff Lee.

[saskjayfan]

All in for cliff Lee.

 

let's flip a small piece for jon lester instead. We pay the last 5 mil of lester's contract. They can add that money to his extension in the offseason, since they seem to cheaping out on lester right now. The Jays get to stick it to the Yankees. The owner surely could get on board with that. They can get a lower level prospect and a kevin pillar type. We get 13 or 14 starts from lester.

[jays4life19]

let's flip a small piece for jon lester instead. We pay the last 5 mil of lester's contract. They can add that money to his extension in the offseason, since they seem to cheaping out on lester right now. The Jays get to stick it to the Yankees. The owner surely could get on board with that. They can get a lower level prospect and a kevin pillar type. We get 13 or 14 starts from lester.

 

If the Sox decide to move Lester their going to get a lot more then a small piece and salary relief.

[sh3156]

let's flip a small piece for jon lester instead. We pay the last 5 mil of lester's contract. They can add that money to his extension in the offseason, since they seem to cheaping out on lester right now. The Jays get to stick it to the Yankees. The owner surely could get on board with that. They can get a lower level prospect and a kevin pillar type. We get 13 or 14 starts from lester.

 

Small piece for Jon Lester. A low A prospect and Kevin Pillar

[jays4life19]

Look what the Rangers had to give up to get Garza last year.

 

Lester who's having a fantastic year would generate huge trade interest. The Sox could get a real nice haul if they wanted to move him. Doubt they will though.

[sh3156]

If the jays were to acquire price and zobrist they could easily flip them both next year for a similar return

 

Its win win

[Dylan]

Uh, Brad Miller was drafted in 2011, and had virtually no MLB service time prior to this year. About as far from FA as an MLB player could be.

My mistake, just looked up current seattle salaries and it showed just the one year remaining. Still doesn't change that they are not 100% sure what he's capable of yet.

[TheHurl]

If the jays were to acquire price and zobrist they could easily flip them both next year for a similar return

 

Its win win

Yet somehow the Rays should be in a rush to get a deal done.

[sh3156]

Yet somehow the Rays should be in a rush to get a deal done.

 

No one said the Rays should be in a rush. Just pointing out that there is residual value

[sh3156]

Are you serious? This team has no chance whatsoever. I'm not joking, I'm being totally realistic.

 

Your right you should stop following this team

[BTS]

let's flip a small piece for jon lester instead. We pay the last 5 mil of lester's contract. They can add that money to his extension in the offseason, since they seem to cheaping out on lester right now. The Jays get to stick it to the Yankees. The owner surely could get on board with that. They can get a lower level prospect and a kevin pillar type. We get 13 or 14 starts from lester.

 

Lester is in the middle of a 5-6 win season. Acquiring him would cost at least 2 of our top 3 prospects.

[dineke]

How does Cliff Lee make our offense hit better? How can Cliff Lee help us win ball games if we can't score any runs?

 

Who cares? It's Cliff Lee.

[GeorgiaPeach]

We are 4 gms out at the AS Break. Hardly waste deep in a pile of s***. That's after a horrendous month.

 

My view of the team and when I speak is of the now and future years, not just the now. My view for the now, we're fielding a AAA lineup for atleast the next 3 weeks. And the rotation with Stroman & Hutch is now a respectable rotation, but not even close to the best. I'll give you the fact that the Jays are still close, which means something. But you're putting a lot of hope in a AAA lineup, or the full healthy lineup in coming back over the course of the final month & a half.

 

We have one awful contract of any length...Reyes and AA managed to get rid of the last boat anchor we had with Vernon Wells. Mark B only has one more yr left and if he is close to 2015 that's not a horrendous overpay in this market.

 

We have an old team, so in a couple years when Reyes, Rasmus, Buehrle, Melky should be gone we have Lawrie who's good, Bautista pushing mid-late 30's and Edwin. The FO will have to go out and trade more of the farm to bring in the rest of the lineup and be left again with no farm and my guess is the players traded for will all be old and expensive again, because that appears to be the cool thing nowadays.

 

You want to move two of the best contracts in all of baseball in Edwin and Jose to emulate TB(who has a worse record) because they got Myers who has a negative WAR in his 2nd season. Odorizzi will be a 2-4 SP if he stays healthy. TB gave up Wade Davis too in that deal too and he has been very effective for KC. He is only 28 and making less than 5mm this year.

 

I don't like talking about individual seasons, otherwise we might have to talk about Jesse Chavez like he's some sort of stud, meanwhile it's his first year he's ever been a productive starter at like 30.

 

I think there is merit to look at the option of declaring failure on the Marlins/RA deal and a revert back to rebuilding for 2015/16. Buts its no slam dunk we are out of this, nor are the moves you are suggesting without very significant risk. Which is why probably no GM would do it.

 

I understand very few GM's would put their star players on the block. I just don't wanna hear the FO yammer on about failing and the fan base crying, because it's sickening. If you have a good team, then yeah get excited and be joyous about wanting to make the playoffs, but for godsakes be realistic sometimes. A AAA lineup through July and into August is nothing to be excited about or even hope for. And then to expect injured players to come back and rake and carry the Jays into the playoffs is really pushing the limits of hope.

 

I take your point that getting nothing for aging Jose and / or Edwin when their undermarket deals run out end of 2016 would be a shame, but there is a lot of ball between now and then to make those moves - and replacing that OPS would likely be impossible at any reasonable price.

 

I know one of two things will happen.

 

1. The Jays extend Bautista and Edwin to ridiculously expensive, but fair market contracts, thus further tying the hands financially of the team to do anything.

2. Play Jose & Edwin until their contracts run out for fear of trading face of the franchise players with little time left on their deals and upsetting the fans.

[GeorgiaPeach]

All in for cliff Lee.

 

If that happens, I want Alex to be in place of the girl in your profile pic.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Your right you should stop following this team

 

Why do you believe that people who follow the MLB team the most and don't have a chance to go to the playoffs and express their opinion on how they perceive the rest of the season playing out, should all of a sudden stop following the team?

 

To me that's the mindset of a non-baseball fan and at that point their opinion means f*** all.

[Nox]

Sean Rod a month ago + an arm upgrade of some description was probably the best course of action. Now, it might be too late (or maybe not. Playoff odds are still a workable 34% though I don't think these account for the Lawrie or Edwin injuries).

 

Lets all cross our fingers and hope Dombrowski/Ilitch thinks Reyes is still a star or something and volunteers to take on the contract.

[sh3156]

Why do you believe that people who follow the MLB team the most and don't have a chance to go to the playoffs and express their opinion on how they perceive the rest of the season playing out, should all of a sudden stop following the team?

 

To me that's the mindset of a non-baseball fan and at that point their opinion means f*** all.

 

You are right I am.not a baseball fan. I'm a jays fan. I couldn't care less about the rest of baseball

 

Thats what a fan is. Short for fanatic. You aren't actually a fan unless. A person filled with excessive and single minded zeal

 

By definition there is no such thing as a baseball fan unless you are a fanatic for a particular team

 

Thus you can either be a jays fan or a baseball observer

[G-Snarls]

Angels after Arizona pitching

 

Will AA do anything??

[jb22]

And billions of brain cells die as we get into a "you're not a fan" battle, in which everyone loses.

 

If you have reached puberty, and are seriously telling people they are not "real fans" or the right type of fans, or you look down on others for their form of support, you should not be allowed to interact with the rest of society without supervision.

 

you realize the guy he's saying that to does that exact thing, right?

[Angrioter]

Angels after Arizona pitching

 

Will AA do anything??

 

'cause our team suck and AA don't want to lose prospects to lose anyway?

[Angrioter]

Go for the gusto!

 

Kennedy+Street+Headley+S.Smith.

 

Sanchez+Gose+Nolin+Nay+D.S.jr+??

 

 

Headley and S.Smith?

Why?

[GeorgiaPeach]

You are right I am.not a baseball fan. I'm a jays fan. I couldn't care less about the rest of baseball

 

Thats what a fan is. Short for fanatic. You aren't actually a fan unless. A person filled with excessive and single minded zeal

 

By definition there is no such thing as a baseball fan unless you are a fanatic for a particular team

 

Thus you can either be a jays fan or a baseball observer

 

Nope

[GeorgiaPeach]

you realize the guy he's saying that to does that exact thing, right?

 

Of course I do.

 

And I have every right to despise people for the way they act at a ball game, or in general. And they deserve to get called out.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You have every right ... well, not really, but generally you do have the right to do so, depending on manner, content and context ... but it still holds true that ...

"And billions of brain cells die as we get into a "you're not a fan" battle, in which everyone loses.

 

If you have reached puberty, and are seriously telling people they are not "real fans" or the right type of fans, or you look down on others for their form of support, you should not be allowed to interact with the rest of society without supervision."

 

You can poop on your hand and smear it on your walls, too ... but it's an action that is looked down upon by normal society.

 

If you like conversing with retarded fans good for you. A couple years ago I sat near a group of late teens, early 20's who started out ridiculing the Yanks BP, which turned into threatening and throwing stuff at Graeme Lloyd. They must be good fans and no one should say anything about them.