Why does Kawasaki bat second?

[Mikeleelop]

Could someone please explain the logic of this?

 

Take a career .227 hitter and put him in the two hole. Move down melkey and Bautista to get them fewer at bats

 

Please don't quote his recent SSS which he will not maintain

[ElNik2013]

Because AA told Gibbons to bat him second.

[Candy Maldonado]

because we need someone to get on base before Melky and Bautista. Reyes should be batting 9th.

[intentional wok]

I have no idea why managers think the 2-hole scrub tactic works. Like it's not just going to result in automatic outs.

 

My only rationale is to spread out the scrubs a bit. The 6-9 blackhole that was going on for the WS and A's series was indefensible. At least this way the opposing pitchers don't get to turn on cruise control after they get the fifth hitter.

[pickoff22]

At least this way the opposing pitchers don't get to turn on cruise control after they get the fifth hitter.

 

Well actually they do.......

[Comx]

He gets on base and nobody else does right now.

[BTS]

There's no good reason for it.

[Nox]

He gets on base and nobody else does right now.

 

No.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

The Two Hole

 

The old-school book says to put a bat-control guy here. Not a great hitter, but someone who can move the lead-off hitter over for one of the next two hitters to drive in.

 

The Books says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall. And since he bats with the bases empty more often than the hitters behind him, he should be a high-OBP player. Doesn't sound like someone who should be sacrificing, does it?

 

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Gibby bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.

[Nox]

The Two Hole

 

The old-school book says to put a bat-control guy here. Not a great hitter, but someone who can move the lead-off hitter over for one of the next two hitters to drive in.

 

The Books says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall. And since he bats with the bases empty more often than the hitters behind him, he should be a high-OBP player. Doesn't sound like someone who should be sacrificing, does it?

 

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Gibby bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.

 

If only Tango's work was available in the public domain....

[Comx]

No.

 

Yes. 4th on team in OBP, next to Bautista, Edwin, Lind.

[Mikeleelop]

The Two Hole

 

The old-school book says to put a bat-control guy here. Not a great hitter, but someone who can move the lead-off hitter over for one of the next two hitters to drive in.

 

The Books says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall. And since he bats with the bases empty more often than the hitters behind him, he should be a high-OBP player. Doesn't sound like someone who should be sacrificing, does it?

 

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Gibby bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.

 

This is a good description. Also it is y gibbons tried to get Bautista to bat second last year

[Nox]

Yes. 4th on team in OBP, next to Bautista, Edwin, Lind.

 

Are you actually that f***ing dumb?

[jaysblue]

Could someone please explain the logic of this?

 

Take a career .227 hitter and put him in the two hole. Move down melkey and Bautista to get them fewer at bats

 

Please don't quote his recent SSS which he will not maintain

 

John Gibbons:

 

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/give-it-time.jpg?w=600&h=303

[Comx]

Are you actually that f***ing dumb?

 

You act like you know what you're talking about but you don't suggest a better line-up. Seems all you can do is disagree and insult with no supporting facts. Dipshit.

[NorthOf49]

Because he can handle a bat!

[Nox]

You act like you know what you're talking about but you don't suggest a better line-up. Seems all you can do is disagree and insult with no supporting facts. Dipshit.

 

Fact: True talent .280 wOBA.

 

Fact: that's the worst in our starting lineup.

 

Fact: One of your top 2 hitters should hit 2nd.

 

Fact: the relevant citation to the accepted piece of research on this matter was already posted in this thread.

[Convo]

Are you actually that f***ing dumb?

 

You seem pretty dim yourself. I guess you are right and the Major League manager is wrong. Why do you pick on a new poster, your life that bad?

[Comx]

Fact: True talent .280 wOBA.

 

Fact: that's the worst in our starting lineup.

 

Fact: One of your top 2 hitters should hit 2nd.

 

Fact: the relevant citation to the accepted piece of research on this matter was already posted in this thread.

 

Is your attitude acceptable around here? It's funny that you try to argue this when Kawasaki batting 2nd just lead to a run.

[Nox]

You seem pretty dim yourself. I guess you are right and the Major League manager is wrong. Why do you pick on a new poster, your life that bad?

 

The major league manager is most definitely wrong. Your blatantly fallacious appeal to authority does nothing to further whatever argument you think you have.

[Nox]

Is your attitude acceptable around here? It's funny that you try to argue this when Kawasaki batting 2nd just lead to a run.

 

What do you think Kawasaki's ability as a hitter is going forward? As, throw out a triple slash.

[Mikeleelop]

215/280/230

[SpeedyGose]

You seem pretty dim yourself. I guess you are right and the Major League manager is wrong. Why do you pick on a new poster, your life that bad?

 

Lol

[SpeedyGose]

Is your attitude acceptable around here? It's funny that you try to argue this when Kawasaki batting 2nd just lead to a run.

 

Wait...did you just use a 1 AB sample size?

[John_Havok]

Happ still a starter, Kawasaki batting second... Gibbons tired of pretending he has a lineup worth playing and is trolling AA

[Comx]

Lol, this guy's posts read like a non-stop temper tantrum, it's pretty funny s***.

 

Not really.

[SpeedyGose]

Lol, this guy's posts read like a non-stop temper tantrum, it's pretty funny s***.

 

Who are you referring to here? lol

[Comx]

What do you think Kawasaki's ability as a hitter is going forward? As, throw out a triple slash.

 

Not sure you even know what you're arguing about anymore.

 

I said he gets on-base. Which he does, and he has. You said no. I proved it by example. You resorted to posting a condescending remark. I appreciate the frustration being a Blue Jays fan right now but there's really no need for that.

 

Thanks.

[John_Havok]

Not sure you even know what you're arguing about anymore.

 

I said he gets on-base. Which he does, and he has. You said no. I proved it by example. You resorted to posting a condescending remark. I appreciate the frustration being a Blue Jays fan right now but there's really no need for that.

 

Thanks.

 

He gets on base? What is your baseline for having an acceptable OBP, without resorting to a borderline useless 80 PA sample size?

[Comx]

He gets on base? What is your baseline for having an acceptable OBP, without resorting to a borderline useless 80 PA sample size?

 

You may not like it but many managers go by recent season and handedness stats to build their line-ups. Kawsaki OBP last 2 years vs. RHP: .341, .368... 250 PA.