Davidi on Juan Francisco

[G-Snarls]

I like everything I read in here

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-francisco-converts-power-to-results/

[Sammy225]

I like everything I read in here

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-francisco-converts-power-to-results/

 

I just read that. I like what is said as well. He really has not been too much of a defensive liability yet anyway. If he can adopt the approach at the plate that edwin and jose have going for them then maybe he can be the next big Jays slugger but i am not going to hold my breath.

[G-Snarls]

I just read that. I like what is said as well. He really has not been too much of a defensive liability yet anyway. If he can adopt the approach at the plate that edwin and jose have going for them then maybe he can be the next big Jays slugger but i am not going to hold my breath.

 

My gut feeling plus looking at his stats suggest to me he could be 70-80% of a Bautista or EE. Can't hit lefties. still strikes out too much. But great contact and power and not a major liability on defense. He's a keeper for the 1.35M we're paying him.

[baubau]

Everyone knows how bad Francisco is against LHP. He is far below league average. He is closer to the next Adam Lind than EE and Bautista and for a free pickup that isn't something to complain about. I was more surprised how close he was to EE and how big he's been for Francisco.

[NorthOf49]

Francisco's obviously not the player he's been so far. 30% HR/FB, too many strikeouts to keep the average afloat. But he can be a very useful piece (above-average bat vs. righties) even after regressing.

[fireballW]

My gut feeling plus looking at his stats suggest to me he could be 70-80% of a Bautista or EE. Can't hit lefties. still strikes out too much. But great contact and power and not a major liability on defense. He's a keeper for the 1.35M we're paying him.

 

What did I just read? It is incredible that time after time of seeing players with ridiculously bad k/bb rates, or super high strikeout rates, that people still want to pin some dreams on these guys.

 

Francisco has struck out 44 times in 112 at bats. That would equal about 200 strikeouts in just 500 ABs. How did I just read he has GREAT contact skills but strikes out too much.

 

Francisco is useful. I'm glad we have him. But getting any more excited than that would be a bit ridiculous. His OBP will float down towards .300 pretty quickly.

[Captain Adama]

My gut feeling plus looking at his stats suggest to me he could be 70-80% of a Bautista or EE. Can't hit lefties. still strikes out too much. But great contact and power and not a major liability on defense. He's a keeper for the 1.35M we're paying him.

 

Lol, do you see it?

[G-Snarls]

What did I just read? It is incredible that time after time of seeing players with ridiculously bad k/bb rates, or super high strikeout rates, that people still want to pin some dreams on these guys.

 

Francisco has struck out 44 times in 112 at bats. That would equal about 200 strikeouts in just 500 ABs. How did I just read he has GREAT contact skills but strikes out too much.

 

Francisco is useful. I'm glad we have him. But getting any more excited than that would be a bit ridiculous. His OBP will float down towards .300 pretty quickly.

 

I said he strikes out too much

 

I mean he has a good line drive rate when he hits the ball. He makes good contact.

[G-Snarls]

Lol, do you see it?

 

I'm not expressing myself very well obviously. He swings and misses too much. He makes good solid contact when he hits the ball, producing lots of line drives, resulting in tons of extra base power.

 

Colby is much the same. I am on record as saying I don't want Rasmus and Francisco hitting near each other in the lineup due to their ugly K rates.

[G-Snarls]

Is this REALLY that far off?

 

His batted ball distance is the highest in the ML-f***ing-B, 2 feet further than Abreu at 326.40.

 

He hits balls 440 feet in BP all the time aparently

[NorthOf49]

I said he strikes out too much

 

I mean he has a good line drive rate when he hits the ball. He makes good contact.

Line drive rate doesn't really tell you much. It doesn't correlate well with meaningful offensive statistics and it takes a while to stabilize. Francisco does tend to make hard contact, but I'd characterize that as power. His contact rate of 68.2% is pretty low.

[Sammy225]

He is a Platoon player no more no less IMO. He is worth every bit of the 1.3 we are paying him but if people are expecting more from him they shall be disappointed because I can not see him ever being able to hit Lefties with any consistency

[G-Snarls]

You may be right. His career is 22.7%, maybe he can be a 25% guy. I guess that doesn't detract from his stat-line much.

 

The walks are really the important thing here. He'll need to keep walking at a 10% clip to stay productive as the average dips to ~.250.

 

Sounds right. And from the article it sounds like he has learned to be more selective after working with EE, Cano and Mercedes in the off season. Hopefully Seitzer keeps him from falling back to bad habits.

[Caper]

What did I just read? It is incredible that time after time of seeing players with ridiculously bad k/bb rates, or super high strikeout rates, that people still want to pin some dreams on these guys.

 

Francisco has struck out 44 times in 112 at bats. That would equal about 200 strikeouts in just 500 ABs. How did I just read he has GREAT contact skills but strikes out too much.

 

Francisco is useful. I'm glad we have him. But getting any more excited than that would be a bit ridiculous. His OBP will float down towards .300 pretty quickly.

 

 

Will Edwin's? Will Jose?

[G-Snarls]

Will Edwin's? Will Jose?

 

Bautista is an on base MACHINE

[NorthOf49]

Will Edwin's? Will Jose?

Jose became a pronounced fly-ball hitter with a good HR/FB, Edwin started walking a lot more, striking out slightly less and hitting for an above-average HR/FB.

 

Neither has ever struck out at the rate that Francisco does. Francisco may be experiencing a plate discipline transformation like that of Edwin, but his swing has too many holes in it for him to transform into a true Jose/Edwin type stud.

[Angrioter]

Francisco: “As soon as I was put on waivers, I got in contact with Edwin, talked to him about my situation, Edwin called Alex (Anthopoulos), they were in communication and figured out a way to bring me into the organization. So Edwin is the main reason I came here.”

[HERPDERP]

I know it's unlikely, but..

 

Having not one, but two, and quite possibly three breakout Dominican stars will surely arouse suspicion among fans in the league.

 

I remember reading a reddit thread that was speculating once again that the Jays Dominican stars are quietly juicing, as if it's near impossible to have three nobodies suddenly produce MVP quality seasons. Although, E5 is the exception to that - he did well with Cinci before.

[NorthOf49]

I know it's unlikely, but..

 

Having not one, but two, and quite possibly three breakout Dominican stars will surely arouse suspicion among fans in the league.

 

I remember reading a reddit thread that was speculating once again that the Jays Dominican stars are quietly juicing, as if it's near impossible to have three nobodies suddenly produce MVP quality seasons. Although, E5 is the exception to that - he did well with Cinci before.

You really care what a few people on reddit think? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence won't make the Dominicans = steroids connection.

[G-Snarls]

I know it's unlikely, but..

 

Having not one, but two, and quite possibly three breakout Dominican stars will surely arouse suspicion among fans in the league.

 

I remember reading a reddit thread that was speculating once again that the Jays Dominican stars are quietly juicing, as if it's near impossible to have three nobodies suddenly produce MVP quality seasons. Although, E5 is the exception to that - he did well with Cinci before.

 

Jose Bautista - most tested player in MLB for 2 full seasons. I believe he's clean.

[HERPDERP]

You really care what a few people on reddit think? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence won't make the Dominicans = steroids connection.

 

It's certainly not limited to reddit. All other message boards have that type of speculation, especially AL East opponents.

 

And then when you factor in the casual fans who do not have any sense of reason and you get a bunch of people crying to sportswriters asking for articles to be written about them.

[NorthOf49]

It's certainly not limited to reddit. All other message boards have that type of speculation, especially AL East opponents.

 

And then when you factor in the casual fans who do not have any sense of reason and you get a bunch of people crying to sportswriters asking for articles to be written about them.

They're just jealous! If the Jays win the World Series, the euphoria won't be dampened by people on message boards thinking they won because of drugs. I wouldn't worry about that.

[HERPDERP]

They're just jealous! If the Jays win the World Series, the euphoria won't be dampened by people on message boards thinking they won because of drugs. I wouldn't worry about that.

 

but aren't we guilty of that too? ;p

[Spoonovic]

1.4 WAR so far. I'll take it.

[jays_fever]

Jose Bautista - most tested player in MLB for 2 full seasons. I believe he's clean.

 

Not sure why he didn't sue the MLB over that.

[G-Snarls]

Not sure why he didn't sue the MLB over that.

 

Would be too Braun-ish

[8D]

I'm not expressing myself very well obviously. He swings and misses too much. He makes good solid contact when he hits the ball, producing lots of line drives, resulting in tons of extra base power.

 

Yup. Love his ISO @ .321. Can he maintain that though? We'll see, but not likely. But regardless, dude's got pop.

I've always liked Francisco since he's been up. He likely won't maintain this pace, but I could see potential from Day 1.

Let's see if he can transform himself from a five o'clock hitter to a prime time player.

It gets interesting because now is sorta the fringe time where he has a big enough "small" sample to make a quick assessment of, and great time to see how he adapts while opposing scouts draw up scouting reports on him.

 

EE is the gift that keeps on giving!

 

That extension just keeps looking better and better.

But f*** me. That's two lottery tickets AA has won and still isn't rich yet :/

[flafson]

It's interesting, i didn't know he was training with Edwin and Cano in the offseason along with their personal coach that made Edwin what he is today... Plenty of reasons to be hopeful. Not sure why Brewers missed that part.

[G-Snarls]

It's interesting, i didn't know he was training with Edwin and Cano in the offseason along with their personal coach that made Edwin what he is today... Plenty of reasons to be hopeful. Not sure why Brewers missed that part.

 

I would concede that he's probably harder to keep around on a National League team. We're playing him at third base but let's be honest - he should be a primary 1B/DH.

[G-Snarls]

Hah, makes you giddy inside, how does Mercedez not have a job in the MLB?

 

Maybe he doesn't want one?

 

Maybe KC should hire him for hitting coach. LOL

 

Also, maybe Cano pays him more than a team would. I'm not even joking. Angrioter might know.