Esmil Rogers has been DFA'd

[Smedley Butler]

I never understood the concept of days off in baseball for anything other than psychological reasons. I mean, FFS this is pretty much the only sport where obese lardasses can succeed without their fatness being an attribute, such as a lineman in the NFL. Baseball isn't exactly intense cardio-wise, they spend 90% of their time standing around or sitting down.

[Deadpool]

I don't know, I see Gose as a good 2014 Rajai Davis with better defense.

 

Great pinch runner, great defensive replacement late in game, etc.

 

Bautista and Melky have not taken a lot of days off. They'll need breaks if we want them firing on all cylinders for the entire season, especially given their injury history. Plus, Rasmus appears poised to be on the DL longer than 15 days. Reports aren't great.

 

IMO, Gose is one of those guys that will go to the next level in the bigs. He'll be stunted with more AAA playing time. Pillar could use another season. Again, just my opinions.

 

Well, this whole discussion was based on "when Rasmus returns", I am quite fine with Gose being here until Rasmus is better...

 

Rajai was more useful because he was a RH bat (and actually was really, really good against lefties...) so he could give guys like Rasmus and Lind breaks. With Gose being left handed, he doesn't really have a bat to displace in the line-up. Bautista isn't going to sit very often, Melky is a switch hitter and Rasmus is a lefty, so there just aren't any ABs for him when everyone is healthy on this roster.

 

Pinch runners aren't used particularly often, and late inning defensive replacements are, by their very nature, 1-2 innings, 3 MAX. I'd rather he got regular playing time at AAA than incredibly sporadic playing time @ the MLB level. (I don't believe it would stunt his growth...)

[IBTrini]

Thus ends one of the worst trades in franchise history.

 

Jays traded manager john farrell and young prospect Yan Gomes for Esmil Rodgers

Some trades work out and others don't. Now, if the Jays gave up a great player that would hurt a bit but they didn't.

[IBTrini]

So now, in terms of roster management when Colby comes of the DL, will it be Gose or Pillar kept as 4th outfielder?

 

For me Gose > Pillar atm.

I would prefer to have Gose however he needs continuous playing time and being on the bench won't allow that to happen. I would be surprised if he is kept over Pillar.

[BarkatToronto]

Some trades work out and others don't. Now, if the Jays gave up a great player that would hurt a bit but they didn't.

 

Managers are paid for their ability to assess future conditions such as which player will develop into a star and which player won't

 

In that regard not only did Alex fail he handed a rival exactly what they wanted eventually leading to that rival winning a world series

 

The idea that it's okay to make moves as long as the player currently traded is not expected to evolve into a superior player us absurd. AA is paid above all to judge talent and he failed to for see Gomes's success

 

If AAs job was just to make moves based on how players are currently performing then we wouldn't need him. Anyone with fangraphs can run a baseball team

[Olerud363]

Thus ends one of the worst trades in franchise history.

 

Jays traded manager john farrell and young prospect Yan Gomes for Esmil Rodgers

 

I haven't read through the entire thread so I suspect someone else suggested this because it is the obvious conclusion.

 

Red Sox pick up Esmil. Red Sox turn it around and win 88 to squeak into playoffs. Blue Jays 82-80.

 

Esmil - 9-5 3.88 for sox.

 

Esmil credits Farrell with his new success. Farrell proclaimed the ultimate genius, the ultimate man.

 

That would make us all a little un-calm.

[The_DH]

Still a surprise but people have had enough of him. Given that he has a 1.8 million contract I don't think anyone will claim him.

[IBTrini]

Pillar has no use. He can't hit well in the bigs and takes horrible swings.

 

At least Gose has great D and speed, which is more important as a platoon/4th outfielder.

Gose is still developing and as such is better off taking what he has learned here and applying that in AAA. This should not be seen as a put-down but more as another chance to refine the little things he is still missing. I believe his days in AAA are numbered since I feel next year he will be at the major league level either with the Jays or elsewhere.

[kgm1]

here is MLB Trade rumers take. Funny I would have sworn Hendriks was already on the 40 man roster.

 

Blue Jays Designate Esmil Rogers For Assignment

By Steve Adams [May 23, 2014 at 11:04am CDT]

 

The Blue Jays have designated right-hander Esmil Rogers for assignment, manager John Gibbons announced in a radio appearance on The Fan 590 (via Sportsnet’s Jeff Simmons on Twitter). The move clears room on the 40-man roster for tonight’s starter, Liam Hendriks, whose contract has been selected from Triple-A Buffalo.

[Deadpool]

Managers are paid for their ability to assess future conditions such as which player will develop into a star and which player won't

 

In that regard not only did Alex fail he handed a rival exactly what they wanted eventually leading to that rival winning a world series

 

Farrell isn't exactly tearing up the world this season, it's almost as though managers don't have some sort of magical ability to win just by being crafty...

[IBTrini]

He'd be a pinch runner and late inning defensive replacement for Melky. He'd get 0 at bats if he stayed up with the roster as is.

I see it the same way. Gose presence brings some excitement so maybe this is why some fans would rationalize for him to stay and Pillar sent down.

[Bunchedundies]

With Rogers performance they had no choice, it is a results driven league.

[Caper]

I hope he's not picked up and goes to Buffalo. He is better then he showed.

[Bunchedundies]

I never understood the concept of days off in baseball for anything other than psychological reasons. I mean, FFS this is pretty much the only sport where obese lardasses can succeed without their fatness being an attribute, such as a lineman in the NFL. Baseball isn't exactly intense cardio-wise, they spend 90% of their time standing around or sitting down.

 

 

They play 162 games with not many days off, games take 3 + hours, and they have short bursts of explosive use of their muscles.......you obviously never played baseball, there are already a lot of injuries. It makes total sense, they are human not robots.

[IBTrini]

I don't know, I see Gose as a good 2014 Rajai Davis with better defense.

 

Great pinch runner, great defensive replacement late in game, etc.

 

Bautista and Melky have not taken a lot of days off. They'll need breaks if we want them firing on all cylinders for the entire season, especially given their injury history. Plus, Rasmus appears poised to be on the DL longer than 15 days. Reports aren't great.

 

IMO, Gose is one of those guys that will go to the next level in the bigs. He'll be stunted with more AAA playing time. Pillar could use another season. Again, just my opinions.

Really? I must have missed that cuz I only saw a report where he was rearing to go. If the Jays roster was set-up differently then I most probably would be supportive of having him stay - any OFer sent to the DL or traded - but as it currently stands, he needs to be playing full time.

[G-Snarls]

With Rogers performance they had no choice, it is a results driven league.

 

Absolutely right. They just couldn't hang on to him any more. Gibbons was scared to use him and understandably so.

[Frag]

Thus ends one of the worst trades in franchise history.

 

Jays traded manager john farrell and young prospect Yan Gomes for Esmil Rodgers

 

If only we kept the Brazilian Bambino! Some person must have known he was going to break out like he has, right? Anybody?

 

*crickets*

 

Oh...

[G-Snarls]

[kgm1]

 

So I suspect he has been sent down and not placed on irrevocable waivers. MLB trade rumors have it wrong as Hendriks was on the 40 man roster before the call up. He is in limbo for 10 days I think. If he is claimed they can pull him back.

 

I still think the fake injury sent for rehab was the best move. just get Bautista and Edwin to go to him and explain the deal. Go down and pitch and get the command and the slider working. make a deal where if he isn't back up in 30 days they would release him. I think He will be claimed, teams like AZ and Texas are desperate for pitching.

[G-Snarls]

So I suspect he has been sent down and not placed on irrevocable waivers. MLB trade rumors have it wrong as Hendriks was on the 40 man roster before the call up. He is in limbo for 10 days I think. If he is claimed they can pull him back.

 

He had to be put on waivers, he had no options left

[IBTrini]

Managers are paid for their ability to assess future conditions such as which player will develop into a star and which player won't

 

In that regard not only did Alex fail he handed a rival exactly what they wanted eventually leading to that rival winning a world series

 

The idea that it's okay to make moves as long as the player currently traded is not expected to evolve into a superior player us absurd. AA is paid above all to judge talent and he failed to for see Gomes's success

 

If AAs job was just to make moves based on how players are currently performing then we wouldn't need him. Anyone with fangraphs can run a baseball team

I am not sure just how to respond to your comments. I am assuming you meant the GM in the first sentence because the term "manager" used without qualification almost always refers to the field manager as in Gibbons.

 

With this in mind, there are some who will take a stand that you never trade within your division however I am not one of those. It depends on being able to get the most value out of your asset while balancing the negative aspect of having that asset in a rivals camp.

 

By the way, who did Anthopoulos trade to a rival that lead to this WS? I don't think you could be referring to Farrell cuz he not only failed as a manager while with the Jays but he was also not a loyal person AND he did not want to be here. If you keep someone like that on a team then their performance most likely will become more of a disservice to the club while creating a lot of discord within the club. Also, the manager, by himself, does not contribute to more than a couple of wins over a season and it was not as if there were other clubs to trade him to so that point is really moot.

 

A lot of people rag on Anthopoulos but that job is not an easy one. There are 29 other GMs all hoping to build the best team possible while dealing with multiple variables which has a direct impact on the make-up of the team. Anyone can sit back and crap all over the GM with respect to what move should have been made without having insider knowledge surrounding the possible trade elements - the fit (need/talent/health/personality of the player) for both teams, the value attached by each GM to the assets on both sides, the asking price (most probably based on talent evaluation), the resources (other players/budget) available etc. to name a few of the variables. It is not an easy task lining up those unknowns especially without knowledge of what's being offered so it is easier just to say he is not doing his job well cuz we do not like what we are currently seeing.

 

Anyway, we do seem to have different views on this subject.

[guylaroche5]

i'm shocked rasmussen wasn't optioned, anyway i don't mind this move all. i've always liked redmond over esmil anyway

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Case of addition by subtraction! I approve of this.

[G-Snarls]

He doesn't have to be put on waivers yet.

 

Oh, I see what he means, of course. DFA. 10 days before judgement day.

 

I was thinking "he has to clear waivers in order to be optioned" but yeah - he may not have been put on waivers yet

[Atothe]

They're both poo but I can tolerate Redmond slightly better.

 

Troll

[wilko]

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[fatcowxlive]

fatcow aren't you in school right now? lol

 

I skipped lol

[GD]

I skipped lol

 

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[closetjaysfan]

Managers are paid for their ability to assess future conditions such as which player will develop into a star and which player won't

 

In that regard not only did Alex fail he handed a rival exactly what they wanted eventually leading to that rival winning a world series

 

The idea that it's okay to make moves as long as the player currently traded is not expected to evolve into a superior player us absurd. AA is paid above all to judge talent and he failed to for see Gomes's success

 

If AAs job was just to make moves based on how players are currently performing then we wouldn't need him. Anyone with fangraphs can run a baseball team

 

Heavy reliance on stats is exactly the problem. Ricciardi fired way too many scouts, preferring to rely on stats based assessment of players. The Jays scouting has yet to be rebuilt, which is a huge problem imo. Ricciardi wanted to play moneyball, meanwhile teams like the Braves with heavy reliance on traditional scouting systems are scooping up all the talent.

 

Id also like to point out that Gomes is the WORST fielding catcher in the majors, given that we dumped Farell in the deal the trade was a bit of a wash.

[Dylan]

I skipped lol

 

How do you expect to keep your free res at guelph if you keep skipping???