Blue Jays pitching staff - 2nd most walks, 5th worst FIP and ERA in MLB

[G-Snarls]

And that was before today

 

I can't find a site that shows FIP by team

 

In any case. this team is being KILLED by giving up walks. We stand no chance of doing anything at this rate.

[ElNik2013]

And that was before today

 

I can't find a site that shows FIP by team

 

In any case. this team is being KILLED by giving up walks. We stand no chance of doing anything at this rate.

 

 

So the eye-test and stats agree for once, yeah baby!

[Orgfiller]

And that was before today

 

I can't find a site that shows FIP by team

 

In any case. this team is being KILLED by giving up walks. We stand no chance of doing anything at this rate.

 

Fangraphs? http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

 

This shows that they have the 5th highest xFIP (therefore 5th worst), so ironically it matches ERA, though that doesn't count this game.

[G-Snarls]

Dec. 5, 2013:

 

http://assets1.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/anthopoulos_alex640.jpg

 

Anthopoulos entered this offseason with the main goal of adding at least one significant piece to his starting group, and while that still remains the case, he also talked at length about depth the organization already has in its system.

 

"We're always looking to add," Anthopoulos said Wednesday. "Anyone wants to add a frontline starter each year. We just want to improve the rotation. Clearly the results were what they were last year. Part of that improvement will come internally.

 

"Any way we can improve the rotation, we would do that. A clean fit is adding one [starter] if we could, and if two become available, three become available and they're better than what we have, then we would look to do it."

 

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20131205&content_id=64418446&notebook_id=64418796&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

[Orgfiller]

Live stats too: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=33&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Jumped to 3rd highest xFIP, 2nd highest BB/9.

[G-Snarls]

Fangraphs? http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

 

This shows that they have the 5th highest xFIP (therefore 5th worst), so ironically it matches ERA, though that doesn't count this game.

 

Well over a huge sample size (we're talking almost a month of an entire team here) FIP and ERA should be reasonably close I would think?

[G-Snarls]

Not really, it's only 200 IP. You need around 1200.

 

Gotcha - so a full season for a whole team essentially

[xposbrad]

Live stats too: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=33&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Can you please tell everyone that the Jays staff projects to have 4/5 starters with ERAs under 4. People are over reacting here when the projections are going to balance out by the end of the year and the Jays will finish ahead of the Yankees. Or have the projections changed yet?

[G-Snarls]

Can you please tell everyone that the Jays staff projects to have 4/5 starters with ERAs under 4. People are over reacting here when the projections are going to balance out by the end of the year and the Jays will finish ahead of the Yankees. Or have the projections changed yet?

 

I would think any projection on Morrow should be changed drastically

[Daniel Labude]

Time to fire the pitching coach!

[glory]

It seems like every starter except Buehrle's walk rate went way above normal the moment they breathed the same air as Walker.

 

I'm still surprised he kept his job after 2013.

[leaffie]

I have never been one to fire the coach right away, but there is something drastically wrong. Where are the stats guys? Have our pitchers given up WAY more walks this year than last at this time?

[G-Snarls]

It seems like every starter except Buehrle's walk rate went way above normal the moment they breathed the same air as Walker.

 

I'm still surprised he kept his job after 2013.

 

Me too. I generally hate scapegoating, but Mottola always seemed like the wrong firing if you were going to fire somebody.

[ElNik2013]

Me too. I generally hate scapegoating, but Mottola always seemed like the wrong firing if you were going to fire somebody.

 

 

It did seem odd, but some pointed out how Gibby didn't get a chance to hire his own guys when he was hired. This one could be on Gibby as well as the bullpen management this year.

 

I just don't get why managers think that it's ok to bring in your high leverage relievers to keep the other team from adding to their lead and not ok to bring them in early in games to prevent the other team from tying the score or taking the lead.

[G-Snarls]

Reading that BS, really hurts.

 

I know. Did he mean it? If so, why the f*** did he let every single FA starting pitcher go elsewhere? If he didn't mean it, why did he say anything? Every single person in the game and every fan knew he needed to improve the rotation and he didn't. Massive stupid fail.

[jaysfan2014]

We had Ervin Santana within our grasp.. if it weren't for the Braves suffering so many injuries, Santana would be a Jay right now. Rogers didn't pull the plug. And really, there weren't a lot of good options. And we weren't blowing money on Cano, who is struggling in Seattle BTW.

 

Some of this problem could be fixed by getting Stroman and maybe Nolin up here, DLing Morrow and moving McGowan to the pen.