Everyone Calm Down

[Olerud363]

Keep calm and cheer against the Yanks

 

Have been put of country for the week. Headed back and thought I'd check in and make sure every one is still calm...

 

Apparently not but I'm calm still...

 

1. I like that everybody is mostly healthy and Brett Lawrie has been played at 2nd. Gives more options down the road.

 

2. Cecil Delawar can't be as bad as santos who must be injured.

 

3. Stroman ready??

 

Keep calm if you can. If not it is ok too. Go on a crazy rant if you have to.

[G-Snarls]

Have been put of country for the week. Headed back and thought I'd check in and make sure every one is still calm...

 

Apparently not but I'm calm still...

 

1. I like that everybody is mostly healthy and Brett Lawrie has been played at 2nd. Gives more options down the road.

 

2. Cecil Delawar can't be as bad as santos who must be injured.

 

3. Stroman ready??

 

Keep calm if you can. If not it is ok too. Go on a crazy rant if you have to.

 

OTOH:

 

1. We keep rolling out one replacement level 2B after the next

 

2. Navarro is starting to show all his ugly spots

 

3. FO is too obsessed with hanging on to fringe guys, even at the expense of current team results

 

4. Stroman is totally ready, but they're trying to squeeze blood from a stone in Happ and McGowan before they call him up

 

5. Janssen is taking forever to get back and Santos is dangerous right now

 

6. Morrow has no staying power

 

6. Gibby doesn't have enough quality players to work with

[G-Snarls]

Which stinks because the division actually seems MUCH more there for the taking this year than it was last year

 

Last year everybody thought it was but it wasn't, obviously

[ElNik2013]

OTOH:

 

1. We keep rolling out one replacement level 2B after the next

 

2. Navarro is starting to show all his ugly spots

 

3. FO is too obsessed with hanging on to fringe guys, even at the expense of current results

 

4. Stroman is totally ready, but they're trying to squeeze blood from a stone in Happ and McGowan before they call him up

 

5. Janssen is taking forever to get back

 

6. Gibby doesn't have enough quality players to work with

 

 

 

The team has roster issues, we all know it, but the bullpen has blown like 5 games and it's not because they're tired. And Gibby has f***ed up several times already, not giving him a pass.

[G-Snarls]

The team has roster issues, we all know it, but the bullpen has blown like 5 games and it's not because they're tired. And Gibby has f***ed up several times already, not giving him a pass.

 

Bullpen is the biggest problem right now for sure

[Olerud363]

Bullpen is the biggest problem right now for sure

 

17-17 on the way to 82-80... nothing to get excited about.

 

s*** ballers - 3.5 era... not bad.

 

Diabetic brothers - one on D.L. one not.

 

Melky and Reyes - one hot, one not.

 

EE and Bautista - exactly as expected, Bautista a bit hotter then EE.

 

2b - throwing various s*** out there is any of it going to stick?? Might as well keep giving Lawrie reps at second cause finding a second basemen OR a third basemen is easier then finding a second basemen.

 

What else?? Yeah bullpen sucks.

 

It's all just flipping coins. Sometimes it's heads, sometimes it's tails.

 

82-80 my friends. Could end up 87-75 and sneak into 2nd wild card... just kind of luck at this point.

[Convo]

Bullpen is the biggest problem right now for sure

 

Is it actually a problem or was it just a string of bad luck / bad weather / misfortune.

[Smedley Butler]

The need to remain calm is just as important whether the team is on a high note or not. Remaining calm during a win streak is next to godliness/cleanliness etc.

 

Still, though, we're .500, can a WS win be that far off? Methinks this is our year to finally win it all and stuff. I'm trying to remain calm, but the fact that we're not only a lock to make the playoffs, but win the WS, just has me so damn.........excited and un-calm.

 

Extend AA and Beeston for life. We're going streaking, boys.

[Olerud363]

Is it actually a problem or was it just a string of bad luck / bad weather / misfortune.

 

I tend to agree that it is just luck.

[Olerud363]

The need to remain calm is just as important whether the team is on a high note or not. Remaining calm during a win streak is next to godliness/cleanliness etc.

 

Still, though, we're .500, can a WS win be that far off? Methinks this is our year to finally win it all and stuff. I'm trying to remain calm, but the fact that we're not only a lock to make the playoffs, but win the WS, just has me so damn.........excited and un-calm.

 

Extend AA and Beeston for life. We're going streaking, boys.

 

I first started following in 88 and 89. In those days .500 was a significant step to greater glory.

 

In 1988 once they hit .500 in July or August they went streaking all the way to 87 or 88 wins. The only thing that stopped them was time itself as they ran out of it.

 

In 1989 once they hit .500 in July or August they went streaking all the to 89 wins. This time not time and certainly not the Baltimore Orioles could stop them. On the last Friday of the season they beat Baltimore on a Loyld Moseby single of the wall. Fergie Oliver pissed himself with excitement.

 

The point is .500 wasn't just .500. It was a step to glory, once they hit it there was no stopping the team.

 

However since 1994 we probably hit .500 100 times on a small winnning streak... like last year they hit .500 on that 11 game streak... but nothing ever came of it.

 

Is this the spectacular road to glory .500 of the late 80s?? Or the insignificant .500 of the last 20 years??

[Atothe]

I first started following in 88 and 89. In those days .500 was a significant step to greater glory.

 

In 1988 once they hit .500 in July or August they went streaking all the way to 87 or 88 wins. The only thing that stopped them was time itself as they ran out of it.

 

In 1989 once they hit .500 in July or August they went streaking all the to 89 wins. This time not time and certainly not the Baltimore Orioles could stop them. On the last Friday of the season they beat Baltimore on a Loyld Moseby single of the wall. Fergie Oliver pissed himself with excitement.

 

The point is .500 wasn't just .500. It was a step to glory, once they hit it there was no stopping the team.

 

However since 1994 we probably hit .500 100 times on a small winnning streak... like last year they hit .500 on that 11 game streak... but nothing ever came of it.

 

Is this the spectacular road to glory .500 of the late 80s?? Or the insignificant .500 of the last 20 years??

 

Great Question. We shall find out.

[Iluvbjs]

I think something needs to be done in regards to Morrow. We've been "waiting" for this idiot to live up to his potential for way too f***ing long now and I'm out of giving him chances. In my view, he is just as bad and frustrating as this Happ idiot, who the franchise seems to think is worth waiting on too. I'm simply not about banking on guys who continually can't get past five innings and who are just about a guarantee to walk four or five guys every f***ing time they pitch.

 

Make a move and get this guy from the Cubs over here via trade or whatever means you have to. Until we've got a solid top 3 that we can depend on, this team is literally going nowhere. Morrow has been a "wild card" for five f***ing years now and has gotten absolutely f***ing nowhere. Send his ass to the bullpen where he can let loose for an inning every time out and see if his 97mph fastball helps us, which I suspect it won't because he can't hit the side of a f***ing barn with it. But I'm completely done with watching the likes of him and Happ go out there and walk guys like it's f***ing stylish or something.

 

This team needs a tre ACE desperately. Mark has been pitching way over his head and will come back to earth eventually, but he's a no.3 at best in the long run. Dickey is no ace neither and nothing close to even resembling one. So what about packaging a few guys to the Cubs for this Jeff whatever the f*** you spell his last name? He's balking at every offer they throw at him, so why not give it a shot? I hear Anthopolous and his smug ass comments about how they've had no discussions? If you're serious about winning, maybe you should. They asked for both Stroman and Sanchez before apparently and I understand that rejection, but does that mean you quit trying? This team has an elite offensive unit that can compete with the best of them out there.

 

So why waste these prime years where our offense is at maximum potential, with a pitching staff that can't seem to keep any offense under five runs a game. With a decent staff, this team and their ridiculous blown leads could easily be ten or more games over .500 already. But we've got a taxed bullpen as a result of a boatload of idiot starters who can't pitch more than fuve f***ing innings. Now don't get me wrong, I understand our bullpen has been balls up bad too, but something has gotta f***ing give here. The leads this team has blown are beyond atrocious and completely unacceptable. And what's happening behind the scenes? A smug f***face GM who's standing pat because he made some moves that didn't work out, so he's transformed himself into a scared little boy? And a laid back manager who I can honestly say is so f***ing bewildered because he doesn't have the stones, nor the managerial skills to know what's going on, or to find a way out of it. Other than to tell us it's part of the game, and the patented "they just didn't throw strikes today, and when you do that, you're not going to win?" Really John? Is that what we're missing here and needed you to tell us? Yet you continued to throw Santos out there with his opponents batting .375 against him with a WHIP over 2.5? Does Jannsen coming back make Santos not suck giant donkey cock bro?

 

I dunno, I'm as frustrated as anyone, but this team needs to make a few moves to get something done. They have and excess of MLB ready catchers, a guy like Lind, who must have some trade value, and prospects in the minors who can still bring you a bona fide ace to this team. Standing pat is not an option and it will not allow this team to be a winner. I think a bona fide ace will bring this team a long way. And I think it's time to f***ing outright lose dead wood like Happ and Morrow for whatever they can fetch. They are both liabilities in our rotation, not assets, period. And the longer this organization throws them out there, they're f***ing outright telling us they;re not going to do what it takes to compete for a divisional championship. And maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Stroma was tagged as a starter for us, so sitting him in our bullpen is hindering his progress at that position in the long run. I like him in our bullpen, but if he's going to be a starter in the long run, let him pitch and tell Happ to go take a long f***ing jump off a short cliff. He's as useless as any pitcher I've seen just about and I refuse to watch any game that idiot starts in. He's a basic guarantee that our pen will have to work 4 innings or more and Morrow is no better.

[Iluvbjs]

Sorry for the long rant everyone.

[Smedley Butler]

Olerud, definitely the latter.

 

Such a shame that they didn't add any pieces in the offseason, this division is ripe for the picking this year and here we are scuffling around .500 as per usual.

 

Not really feeling this "competitive window", "if we don't make the playoffs this year, we'll make them next year" era, it feels just as hopeless as every season has lately.

[Smedley Butler]

Sorry for the long rant everyone.

 

Don't be, hard to disagree with anything in it.

[Smedley Butler]

Other than the part about selling the rest of the farm for Smardhujdgcbdcgggdbfjhfgiza.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Olerud, definitely the latter.

 

Such a shame that they didn't add any pieces in the offseason, this division is ripe for the picking this year and here we are scuffling around .500 as per usual.

 

Not really feeling this "competitive window", "if we don't make the playoffs this year, we'll make them next year" era, it feels just as hopeless as every season has lately.

 

Given that you are mostly just a cynic on here, and not someone who actually watches the games, your opinion is not surprising. You'd be the last to know when they turned the corner. This season is definitely different, they are better then most years so the probability of contending is higher. The window of contention remains this year and next, with 2015 being their best chance because there is no doubt in my mind we have young pitching on the team at that point contributing ( be it Stroman, Sanchez, Hutch, Nolin; hard to say who but chances of them all crashing and burning seems small ). In fact, if several of these pitchers turn out, our window of potential success may extend beyond 2015. But it's a huge stretch to predict anything on that at this point.

 

This team probably has the best offence in the AL, possibly all of baseball. We have more pitching depth, certainly weak on consistent quality but this is baseball, and just having Buehrle and Hutch going strong is a major step up on last season. It's not as long a shot to contend as many people think on here. The idea that everything has to go exactly right is a fallacy. We are in the race now and got almost nothing out of Reyes, Encarnacian, Rasmus, half our bullpen, Janssen, our DH spot, our 2B spot. Until around a little over a week ago, when our new bench/replacement players performed well, our starting staff put up numerous good starts, and some of those hitters I mentioned woke up.

 

One would think given the Raptors season that people would be more open to the idea sports is unpredictable. Half the season, some of the cynics on here were posting the Raptors should aim for last place in the entire league. By the time they realized that gig was up, the Raptors were pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot easily and on their way to better things.

[G-Snarls]

Is it actually a problem or was it just a string of bad luck / bad weather / misfortune.

 

It's what's been costing us games. But hopefully and likely has been a fluke.

[G-Snarls]

17-17 on the way to 82-80... nothing to get excited about.

 

s*** ballers - 3.5 era... not bad.

 

Diabetic brothers - one on D.L. one not.

 

Melky and Reyes - one hot, one not.

 

EE and Bautista - exactly as expected, Bautista a bit hotter then EE.

 

2b - throwing various s*** out there is any of it going to stick?? Might as well keep giving Lawrie reps at second cause finding a second basemen OR a third basemen is easier then finding a second basemen.

 

What else?? Yeah bullpen sucks.

 

It's all just flipping coins. Sometimes it's heads, sometimes it's tails.

 

82-80 my friends. Could end up 87-75 and sneak into 2nd wild card... just kind of luck at this point.

 

Agree with all this

 

What's stupid is that 2B and SP was there for the fixing and he didn't.

 

Plus bad roster management with what we have, giving playing time to.s*** players like Goins Happ and Sierra.

 

There's a ton of talent on this team. It's a shame it's not being exploited better.

[Sammy225]

It's what's been costing us games. But hopefully and likely has been a fluke.

 

I actually think that after the Minnesota blow up it was all a mental thing. Guys going out there not forgetting about it and that was getting them into more trouble. Just my opinion but seems likely. I think being a reliever is all about confidence.

[jaysfan2014]

Hey, at least the Jays are still in better shape than the Texas Rangers.

 

Thanks to injuries and poor performance, along with a huge negative run differential (-33, 2nd worst to Houston), the Rangers just blew up their roster heavily today.

 

Prospects Rougned Odor and Luis Sardinas have been called up, former Jay Justin Germano is up as well, Donnie Murphy to DL, Josh Wilson DFAd, Scott Baker DFAd.. we have yet to see AA do something panicky like this so far this year, except for FINALLY getting Morrow back on the DL and not hurting our rotation and bullpen. Just wish we had a better alternative than Happ.

[Olerud363]

Given that you are mostly just a cynic on here, and not someone who actually watches the games, your opinion is not surprising. You'd be the last to know when they turned the corner. This season is definitely different, they are better then most years so the probability of contending is higher. The window of contention remains this year and next, with 2015 being their best chance because there is no doubt in my mind we have young pitching on the team at that point contributing ( be it Stroman, Sanchez, Hutch, Nolin; hard to say who but chances of them all crashing and burning seems small ). In fact, if several of these pitchers turn out, our window of potential success may extend beyond 2015. But it's a huge stretch to predict anything on that at this point.

 

This team probably has the best offence in the AL, possibly all of baseball. We have more pitching depth, certainly weak on consistent quality but this is baseball, and just having Buehrle and Hutch going strong is a major step up on last season. It's not as long a shot to contend as many people think on here. The idea that everything has to go exactly right is a fallacy. We are in the race now and got almost nothing out of Reyes, Encarnacian, Rasmus, half our bullpen, Janssen, our DH spot, our 2B spot. Until around a little over a week ago, when our new bench/replacement players performed well, our starting staff put up numerous good starts, and some of those hitters I mentioned woke up.

 

One would think given the Raptors season that people would be more open to the idea sports is unpredictable. Half the season, some of the cynics on here were posting the Raptors should aim for last place in the entire league. By the time they realized that gig was up, the Raptors were pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot easily and on their way to better things.

 

I agree with you to some extent. I still think it is a true talent 82 win team. That just means they'll win somewhere between 75 and 89 depending on luck. So things could get exciting in a weak division.

 

I also like what I see from the offence so far. If they can get Lawrie healthy and comfortable at second it could be an A.L. east worthy offense. I mean Rasmus or Lawrie could be 25-100 from the 8th spot... 1-5 can all get on base... then the guys at the bottom... who the hell knows... Lawrie and Rasmus could put together great stretches... Francisco?? Don't see him elite... but if he can handle third and Lawrie second you have some pop at those positions.

 

So I actually see a road to success... Lawrie handles second, Francisco handles third, deep offense carries the team, slop ballers and young pitchers just have to be average.

 

Who the hell knows. I am probably leaving calmness mode and getting too excited over this silly 5 game winning streak. We probably all thought playoffs were easy last year after 11 wins in a row and Reyes ready for action.

 

Keep calm. No highs no lows as they hover around .500. If they get 10 over .500 or 10 below react then.

[Smedley Butler]

You need to calm the f*** DOWN Olerud, post haste. The tone of this thread is beginning to become a concern. Not enough calm.

 

The rare air that is 1 game above .500 has spoiled this fanbase for long enough. Time for some losses to right this ship.

[Olerud363]

You need to calm the f*** DOWN Olerud, post haste. The tone of this thread is beginning to become a concern. Not enough calm.

 

The rare air that is 1 game above .500 has spoiled this fanbase for long enough. Time for some losses to right this ship.

 

1998 -- I was driving back from a camping trip in early September. I was in the middle of no where for 10 days and was only getting fragments of games on an old Sony Walkman. Tom Cheek was still alive. Somehow Jays went from complete losers at the beginning of the trip to world series bound by the end... I didn't really hear the details... just like these fragments through the static... but I knew they had won 10 in a row somehow.

 

So driving back finally and the Jays are playing Cleveland... I'm finally headed back to civilization, TV, and the opportunity to watch the pennant race. Jays are leading 3-0 in the 8th on their way to the f***ing pennant, finally near Toronto and getting clear reception. Now I can vividly hear Tom Cheek's description of the glory and soon will be able to see it on TV.

 

Then s*** happens. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR199809090.shtml

 

Next thing it's November and I found out Tim Johnson didn't really go to Vietnam and Roger Clemens demands a trade.

 

Thanks for the reminder Smedley. I quickly forget all the hard lessons I've learned.

[Olerud363]

You need to calm the f*** DOWN Olerud, post haste. The tone of this thread is beginning to become a concern. Not enough calm.

 

The rare air that is 1 game above .500 has spoiled this fanbase for long enough. Time for some losses to right this ship.

 

Smedley are you still with us?? Someone on the board said they were headed for a weekend of Cocaine and ladies. I think it was you. Not my cup of tea exactly. I'm just a married guy now and nursing a beer takes to much out of me these days. Anyway sounds like more fun then watching the Jays the last few days. Just hope you came out the other side OK. Your wisdom is appreciated.

 

Friday morning I took out my 92/93 World Series commemerative T-shirts and hats out and imagined what the 2014 version will look like. Monday morning I am thinking about the race for a top 5 draft pick.

 

But gotta keep calm. We are headed for 82-80. Just enough for Beeston and AA to survive (Gibby probably won't).

 

82-80 has a few little ups and downs on the way. Nothing major. Some days will be a couple under .500. Somedays a couple over. Headed nowhere interesting either way. Gotta keep calm cause there is nothing worth getting excited over.

[Smedley Butler]

Yes I'm here, feeling rejuvenated after a productive and wholesome weekend of ignoring the Tarranna Bloo Hyyays. I take it that we suck again?

[Olerud363]

Yes I'm here, feeling rejuvenated after a productive and wholesome weekend of ignoring the Tarranna Bloo Hyyays. I take it that we suck again?

 

20-20 on the way to 82.

 

The shitballers are slowly merging together towards their final 30-22 4.05.

 

Will Buerhle wiin 30?? Keep calm you idiots he will not. Dickey and Buerhle will win 30 together though. By the end of the season I bet you won't be able to tell the difference between them.

 

The season of calm continues...

[SAAviour]

Olerud, I'm getting a little worked up! The AL east is s*** and I feel we have one of the best offences in baseball, plus with Jansen back our pen might be half descent. If our starters could just give us six solid innings I'm starting to think we might have a shot this year..this could be the year.

 

LETS GET EXCITED, COME ON, JOIN ME. I KNOW YOU WANT TO. YOU CAN FEEL IT TUGGING AT YOU.

[Smedley Butler]

The season of calm continues...

 

Let calmness reign over us, on Earth as it does in Hell, amen.

[Atothe]

let calmness reign over us, on earth as it does in hell, amen.

 

wtf!